On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:51:39 +1000 "Jules" <jules.18@bigpond.com> wrote: Hello Jules, > Can anyone advise as to whether a widow who is marrying for the 2nd > time (around the 1840's) would use her maiden name or her surname > from her 1st marriage on her marriage certificate?? Thanks for any > help given Jules She should have been married using her name from the previous marriage. Obviously, with her father's surname being different, it is then obvious she was previously married. Even then, under 'Condition', it should say "widow". -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" The public wants what the public gets Going Underground - The Jam

I came across a curious evidence of the popularity of the Chartist 'heroes' when transcribing for FreeBMD. From1840, through to about 1844, a remarkable number of families in many parts of England and Wales named their children either after John FROST or Fergus (Feargus) O'Connor, or both. Simply search the relevant years in FreeBMD, without surnames, for forenames * Frost or * O'Connor. The latter won't find all the relevant entries as spelling varied. * O'Conn* finds more. Fergus O'Connor actually seems to have been more popular, and his popularity more enduring, than John Frost. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Jeff

Hello Angie, I have no knowledge of why he may have gone there but the years that you mention would have been the latter part of WW1, and when you mention that he returned home because of family illness, the war had ended by 11th November 1918 and that possibily was the reason for his return home.And if the story is true he would have been there less than a year. I understand that Clipstone was a training camp. Regards Barbara

There is a family legend that my gr father who worked in the coal mine in Abertillery was sent to join the territorial army at Clipstone camp in Nottinghamshire about 1917/18, he was then sent home at the latter end of 1918 because his wife and children were very ill with the world wide flu bug which was prevalent at that time My question is, 'why would he be taken out of the coal mine and sent to join the territorials' Can anyone please put my mind at rest and save me from more heated arguments within my family, because I think this is not true, but some of them swear it is. Has anyone come across this before, or anything similar? If not then please help me to find the truth in this cheers Angie PS I can't find anything in the Archives online (but then I never can!)

Dear Listers On Monday 30th April, Newport Museum and Art Gallery is hosting a partnership event looking at the Chartist march on Newport in 1839, when 20 marchers were killed by troops outside the Westgate Hotel. See also the link at http://www3.newport.ac.uk/news/displayStory.aspx?story_id=131 This is a free drop-in event. For more info please contact the number in the programme below, or email me directly. Peter Brown University of Wales, Newport ‘Meet the descendants – Chartist family history’ At Newport Museum, Art Gallery and Library John Frost Square, Newport ‘Drop in’ and Join in An afternoon of Chartist and Family History activities Monday April 30th 12 noon – 4 pm Programme: 12 noon Meet the Family Historian (Peter Brown) and find out how to get started on your family history using the internet. 12.30 Meet the Archivist (Colin Gibson) and discover the sources in the Gwent Record Office for finding Chartist ancestors. What have some people found out? 01.15 Meet the Descendants who have discovered their ‘Chartist’ lineage – those participating in the attack on the Westgate Hotel in 1839 and other Chartist campaigning, but also their political opponents and those supporting the military, police and judicial authorities. (Leslie James) 02.30 Explore the Records with Alun Prescott and the staff of Newport City Libraries on a tour of the Local History Collection used by family historians and get a taste of some of the Chartist documents. 03.30 Meet the Museum Curator (Rachel Anderton) who will explain plans for a new Chartist exhibition that will reveal the stories of the lesser known individuals as well as the more famous leaders. Do you have a story to tell about your Chartist ancestors or about family members who were anti-Chartist? CONTACT: 01633 656656 and ask for Rachael Anderton

> More pertinent to the current debate is who decides what gets discussed > on this list. The LIst Administrator is not appointed by the membership > so it might be useful at this juncture to know who does make the > appointment and within what Terms of Reference. > List ownership is exactly that - a volunteer agrees to take on the running of a rootsweb list and in doing that has "authority" over what is discussed. It's been that way ever since I joined the mailing lists 9 years ago and I'm quite happy with the arrangement. I've always been very happy with the way Anne runs the list, it's certainly not something I have the time and dedication to do. Gwynne

Anne Whether or not access to research facilities falls within the definition of genealogy may be debatable - I happen to think it does. More pertinent to the current debate is who decides what gets discussed on this list. The LIst Administrator is not appointed by the membership so it might be useful at this juncture to know who does make the appointment and within what Terms of Reference. Robert (Getting hot under the collar, just as I did with the even-more- doctrinaire Northumberland Administrator) >----Original Message---- >From: annmacey@ntlworld.com >I am going to close this topic now, it might be about research facilities >but it is not about genealogy. > >I am not asking for discussion about this message, sorry to seem a little >terse here but I am trying prevent a heated discussion about a subject when >all the facts of the case are not known by everyone. Please respect my >actions or contact me off list. > >Ann Macey >Your troubled List Admin > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £9.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

I am going to close this topic now, it might be about research facilities but it is not about genealogy. I am not asking for discussion about this message, sorry to seem a little terse here but I am trying prevent a heated discussion about a subject when all the facts of the case are not known by everyone. Please respect my actions or contact me off list. Ann Macey Your troubled List Admin

I hope I do not regret posting this .. Do the RO charge for photocopies? I have been to RO'S in the North of England and for each photo copy they charge 40-50p If given the opportunity (ok if I had thought of it) of using a digital camera I would gladly have paid £2 to take as many pis's as I wished. At the end of the day I guess the RO need to have some income. perhaps we could play spies and get a rellie (preferably a live one) to keep a look out while we snap away. ;-) Nos da, Kevin, Co Cork, Ireland. >From: "William Kollar" <wkollar@nycap.rr.com> >Reply-To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire >FamilyHistoryresearchers >Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:35:33 -0400 > >Living on the other side of the pond I really don't want or need to jump in >on this but for some reason I can't seem keep my self from doing so. > >As I see it the big difference between using a camera and using a photocopy >machine is; the Records Office provides the machine and all of the supplies >necessary to produce a copy, where as the individual owns the camera and is >solely responsible for it and it's needs, mainly batteries and of course >film if it is an old one. I would think that the fee paid to the Records >Office is mainly for the use of their copy machine and associated supplies >and not for the records themselves and that that fee is absolutely >justified. But on the other hand to be paid for someone using their own >equipment just doesn't seem to be proper at all. > >One doesn't pay the bus company their fee because you drove the same route >in your own automobile! > >Just my 2 Cents. > >________________________________ > >Ever Wonder ? > >__bill kollar > >Upstate New York, USA > > >Chasing: > >RIACH, PATERSON, ANDERSON, DAVIDSON > Ballater, Aberdeenshire, Scotland > >DOWDEN, PHILLIPS, ROGERS > Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales > >KOLLAR, SEFCOVIC, HESEK, PALCOVIC > Kuty, Slovakia > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Graham Sheppard" <graham@grahamsheppard.org.uk> >To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:42 PM >Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family >Historyresearchers > > >| Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the >| same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I >| believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital >| photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It >| would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page! >| Regards >| Graham >| >| -----Original Message----- >| From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >| [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith >| Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37 >| To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com >| Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History >| researchers >| > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Message offline contacts without any fire risk! http://www.communicationevolved.com/en-ie/

Hi, Not wishing to prolong this subject, but different RO's have differing policies on this subject. I live in Devon and was in the RO at Exeter, they don't charge for taking digital cameras into the RO, you can also take a laptop in to use. I found the RO at Exeter very friendly, which I assume this is the same from the staff in RO's in Mon. Regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Sheppard" <graham@grahamsheppard.org.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family Historyresearchers > Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the > same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I > believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital > photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It > would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page! > Regards > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith > Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37 > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History > researchers > > The following was posted by mike John on the monfh discussion group, and > I think it bears repeating here. If you think that charges at the Gwent > RO for using your own resources (digital camera) are unfair, please sign > the petition. > > Mike says: > I have just started a petition to get Gwent records office to abolish > this ridiculous new charge they have introduced, on the use of personal > cameras. > <http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html>http://www.petition > online.com/brychan/petition.html > I have also contacted > all the M.P's & A.M's for Gwent who have assured me they would look in > to the matter and have also asked for a copy of the minutes of the > meeting where the decision was made. > > I have also found out that 1 if not 2 representatives of the Gwent > family history society was at this meeting, one being Mr Geoff Riggs, so > as family historians and past, present and potential members of the > society we would like to know what their postion was about this charge. > > Using your camera at a public records office is the same as writing the > information down on a notepad, new technology is to be welcomed > especially when it makes life a lot more easier, for myself I have been > able to photograph the parish records, take them home and then share the > work of transcribing them with other family researchers. All these > transcriptions can be found free on my website > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.h > tm>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history > .htm > So > why charge someone for using their camera, you would not charge them for > using a pencil, also will they bring in a charge for using laptops. > > If you live in Gwent or even outside contact local M.Ps & A.M's and > express your concern about this unfair charge. Contact Jessica Morden > M.P <mailto:mordenj%40parliament.uk>mordenj@parliament.uk or Anthony > Jermyn <mailto:JERMYNA%40parliament.uk>JERMYNA@parliament.uk her case > worker who are looking in to the matter on my behalf. > > Mike John > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page! Regards Graham -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History researchers The following was posted by mike John on the monfh discussion group, and I think it bears repeating here. If you think that charges at the Gwent RO for using your own resources (digital camera) are unfair, please sign the petition. Mike says: I have just started a petition to get Gwent records office to abolish this ridiculous new charge they have introduced, on the use of personal cameras. <http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html>http://www.petition online.com/brychan/petition.html I have also contacted all the M.P's & A.M's for Gwent who have assured me they would look in to the matter and have also asked for a copy of the minutes of the meeting where the decision was made. I have also found out that 1 if not 2 representatives of the Gwent family history society was at this meeting, one being Mr Geoff Riggs, so as family historians and past, present and potential members of the society we would like to know what their postion was about this charge. Using your camera at a public records office is the same as writing the information down on a notepad, new technology is to be welcomed especially when it makes life a lot more easier, for myself I have been able to photograph the parish records, take them home and then share the work of transcribing them with other family researchers. All these transcriptions can be found free on my website <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.h tm>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history .htm So why charge someone for using their camera, you would not charge them for using a pencil, also will they bring in a charge for using laptops. If you live in Gwent or even outside contact local M.Ps & A.M's and express your concern about this unfair charge. Contact Jessica Morden M.P <mailto:mordenj%40parliament.uk>mordenj@parliament.uk or Anthony Jermyn <mailto:JERMYNA%40parliament.uk>JERMYNA@parliament.uk her case worker who are looking in to the matter on my behalf. Mike John ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 25 Apr 2007, at 16:43, Chris Lawton wrote: > Greetings all, new to list but not to family history, researching my > Oakeley, and Berry and my wife's Jones and Parfitt family's. Look > forward > to getting to know you all. > > -- > Chris Lawton > Pax † Hi Chris, I too am interested in the Parfit family of Newport. They came originally from Pill, Bristol. Like most family historians I also have Jones to research. Have a look at my web site to see if you can find any links. Best Wishes, Tony www.penbanc.net/history

Greetings all, new to list but not to family history, researching my Oakeley, and Berry and my wife's Jones and Parfitt family's. Look forward to getting to know you all. -- Chris Lawton Pax †

Living on the other side of the pond I really don't want or need to jump in on this but for some reason I can't seem keep my self from doing so. As I see it the big difference between using a camera and using a photocopy machine is; the Records Office provides the machine and all of the supplies necessary to produce a copy, where as the individual owns the camera and is solely responsible for it and it's needs, mainly batteries and of course film if it is an old one. I would think that the fee paid to the Records Office is mainly for the use of their copy machine and associated supplies and not for the records themselves and that that fee is absolutely justified. But on the other hand to be paid for someone using their own equipment just doesn't seem to be proper at all. One doesn't pay the bus company their fee because you drove the same route in your own automobile! Just my 2 Cents. ________________________________ Ever Wonder ? __bill kollar Upstate New York, USA Chasing: RIACH, PATERSON, ANDERSON, DAVIDSON Ballater, Aberdeenshire, Scotland DOWDEN, PHILLIPS, ROGERS Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales KOLLAR, SEFCOVIC, HESEK, PALCOVIC Kuty, Slovakia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Sheppard" <graham@grahamsheppard.org.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family Historyresearchers | Playing 'devil's advocate': digitally photographing a page is NOT the | same as using a pencil - it is the same as having a photocopy made. I | believe the RO does charge for photocopying, so any charge for digital | photography should be the same as their income for photocopying. It | would take a long time to hand copy a detailed page! | Regards | Graham | | -----Original Message----- | From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com | [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean Smith | Sent: 25 April 2007 15:37 | To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com | Subject: [MON] Message on behalf of all Monmouthshire Family History | researchers |

The following was posted by mike John on the monfh discussion group, and I think it bears repeating here. If you think that charges at the Gwent RO for using your own resources (digital camera) are unfair, please sign the petition. Mike says: I have just started a petition to get Gwent records office to abolish this ridiculous new charge they have introduced, on the use of personal cameras. <http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html>http://www.petitiononline.com/brychan/petition.html I have also contacted all the M.P's & A.M's for Gwent who have assured me they would look in to the matter and have also asked for a copy of the minutes of the meeting where the decision was made. I have also found out that 1 if not 2 representatives of the Gwent family history society was at this meeting, one being Mr Geoff Riggs, so as family historians and past, present and potential members of the society we would like to know what their postion was about this charge. Using your camera at a public records office is the same as writing the information down on a notepad, new technology is to be welcomed especially when it makes life a lot more easier, for myself I have been able to photograph the parish records, take them home and then share the work of transcribing them with other family researchers. All these transcriptions can be found free on my website <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.htm>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.htm So why charge someone for using their camera, you would not charge them for using a pencil, also will they bring in a charge for using laptops. If you live in Gwent or even outside contact local M.Ps & A.M's and express your concern about this unfair charge. Contact Jessica Morden M.P <mailto:mordenj%40parliament.uk>mordenj@parliament.uk or Anthony Jermyn <mailto:JERMYNA%40parliament.uk>JERMYNA@parliament.uk her case worker who are looking in to the matter on my behalf. Mike John

Hi Ray I would be interested in seeing a copy of the chart as well. My email address is net.ambler@btinternet.com. Many thanks Net -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ray Edmunds Sent: 25 April 2007 01:11 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Better link to get a full Page for Qld Indices Hi, Please bear in mind that these indexes are only part of the indexes available in fiche format which are: births to 1919; deaths to 1964 and marriages to 1939. For anybody interested in the scope of Australian indexes I can send you a chart off list. Ray Edmunds

Hi Jeff, thankyou for that information, I did wonder if it was something like that but I haven't come across it before I appreciate your help Thankyou again Marianne

G'Day Ray I would be very intrestsed thanks. Jim (in the desert called Brisbane) > Hi, > Please bear in mind that these indexes are only part of the indexes > available in fiche format which are: births to 1919; deaths to 1964 and > marriages to 1939. > For anybody interested in the scope of Australian indexes I can send you a > chart off list. > Ray Edmunds > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com>; > <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com>; <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>; > <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:07 PM > Subject: [MON] Better link to get a full Page for Qld Indices > > > >>Hello Listers, >>Further to my earlier email regarding the new free on-line Queensland >>indexes - this link should give you more to work with on your page. >> >>This is the better link to use.... >>https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m >> >>Estelle (in Qld) >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Advertisement: Its simple! Sell your car for just $30 at carsales.com.au >>http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588&_t=754951090&_r=tig&_m=EXT >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >>-- >>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15/04/2007 >>4:22 PM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Please bear in mind that these indexes are only part of the indexes available in fiche format which are: births to 1919; deaths to 1964 and marriages to 1939. For anybody interested in the scope of Australian indexes I can send you a chart off list. Ray Edmunds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelle Daniels" <stelly__57@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com>; <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com>; <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>; <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:07 PM Subject: [MON] Better link to get a full Page for Qld Indices > Hello Listers, > Further to my earlier email regarding the new free on-line Queensland > indexes - this link should give you more to work with on your page. > > This is the better link to use.... > https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m > > Estelle (in Qld) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Advertisement: Its simple! Sell your car for just $30 at carsales.com.au > http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588&_t=754951090&_r=tig&_m=EXT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 15/04/2007 > 4:22 PM > >

This indicates that a second birth registration was made for this child at a later date. This may have indicated adoption, or may have indicated re-registration in presence of the father to add father's name, or re-registration in father's name if the couple subsequently married. It might even have been re-registration to correct an error on the original, though that was likely to have occurred shortly after birth. If the handwritten entry is something like Dec 75 then that means the re-registration was in December quarter 1975. Jeff