I can remember , as a small child watching agroup of men singing a hymn round the coffin of one of my grandparents. the coffin was placed on the ground outside , We lived next door in Newbridge Mon Sylvia From: John Hopkins <j.hopkins@paradise.net.nz> Reply-To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Burial Traditions Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:51:24 +1200 Hello Barbara Hahaha! Pragmatism rules! A bit like the old tale of why mother used to take the knuckle off the roast before putting it into the roasting dish! Thanks. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2007 9:45 a.m. To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Burial Traditions Hello John, Not so much religion or belief, I would say that more than likely it was far easier to remove the coffin through the window because most properties used to have sash windows which would be far easier to take the coffin out than attempt to take it out of the front parlour and carry it through a narrow hallway. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving - check out the new Windows Live Hotmail http://get.live.com/betas/mail_betas

Old cottages in Somerset and Devon have access through the floor to facilitate the lowering of coffins. The stairs being too narrow to allow a coffin to be carried down. www.batesplace.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Hopkins Sent: 02 May 2007 22:51 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Burial Traditions Hello Barbara Hahaha! Pragmatism rules! A bit like the old tale of why mother used to take the knuckle off the roast before putting it into the roasting dish! Thanks. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B1oatley@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2007 9:45 a.m. To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] Burial Traditions Hello John, Not so much religion or belief, I would say that more than likely it was far easier to remove the coffin through the window because most properties used to have sash windows which would be far easier to take the coffin out than attempt to take it out of the front parlour and carry it through a narrow hallway. Regards Barbara ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 28/04/2007 15:32 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 28/04/2007 15:32

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Thanks for your replies, it's interesting because he left Blaina when he was about 30 and died in Bournemouth 21 years later, so the family must have kept up the tradition even though he was far from home. My mother's side of the family come from West Wales and I can remember them drawing the curtains in the street when my grandparents died. Thanks again Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <ian.york@ntlworld.com> To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: [MON] Burial Traditions > In the western Valley of Monmouthshire in the early fifties it was the > tradition of men only at the funeral and the women mourned at the house. > Before the advent of funeral homes the recently deceased were kept in the > front room of the house until the funeral. I remember my grandmother in a > coffin of yew on the table in the front room of our terraced house. There > were two candles burning at each side of the coffin and the table was > adorned with a chenile tablecloth. On the day of the funeral thecoffin was > passed out through the front room window into the waiting hearse. I also > remember a family who carried their deceased to the cemetery for obvious > financial reasons. Many people saved for their funerals. I would not > call it the good old days - but there was respect for the deceased - with > a steet/road drawing their front room curtains as a mark of respect. > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In the western Valley of Monmouthshire in the early fifties it was the tradition of men only at the funeral and the women mourned at the house. Before the advent of funeral homes the recently deceased were kept in the front room of the house until the funeral. I remember my grandmother in a coffin of yew on the table in the front room of our terraced house. There were two candles burning at each side of the coffin and the table was adorned with a chenile tablecloth. On the day of the funeral thecoffin was passed out through the front room window into the waiting hearse. I also remember a family who carried their deceased to the cemetery for obvious financial reasons. Many people saved for their funerals. I would not call it the good old days - but there was respect for the deceased - with a steet/road drawing their front room curtains as a mark of respect. ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam

OOPS I goofed and you got a jumbled e-mail.... Sorry. Hi fellow Listers, If anybody happens to be in Hamilton New Zealand this Saturday 5th May 2007 There is a Celtic Research day happening Where the WELSH Interest Group of New Zealand will be attending When and where I hear you ask. DATE: May 5th 2007 VENUE: St Alban's Church Hall ADDRESS: Comries Road, Chartwell, Hamilton New Zealand. The Welsh Interest Group of New Zealand will be in attendance with a variety of their Welsh Research materials on hand for you to browse. Or you might like to come along if for no other reason than to see me Committee Member Kathy who will be dressed in a Welsh outfit for the day. Kathy HILL NZSG 12466 WIG 159 Committee Member Welsh Interest Group http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzsgwig/ wignewzealand@yahoo.com.au = Maintenance Management Software (CMMS) We feature low cost but highly effective maintenance management software. With the different versions available we are sure to fulfill your maintenance needs. Free demo also available. http://a8-asy.a8ww.net/a8-ads/adftrclick?redirectid=ca37e4e8d39a859de39c5ef3a338f7f1

Hello John, Not so much religion or belief, I would say that more than likely it was far easier to remove the coffin through the window because most properties used to have sash windows which would be far easier to take the coffin out than attempt to take it out of the front parlour and carry it through a narrow hallway. Regards Barbara

Hi i have a cemetry at the end of my road here in Neath in South Wales and we used to have funerals where all the men walked behind the funeral car > the last one Like that was the butcher at the top of our road who had a bad accident .Cant really remember if there were any women in that one but it was as you say normal practice for only men to attend the internment they would state in the obitarys in the paper Men only. I supose it was really to protect the women from showing their didtress to everyone as men were suposed to be of sterner stuff. Althea ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Roberts" <llanann@tiscali.co.uk> To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: [MON] burial traditions > When I was in my teens I was told that no women were allowed to attend my > father's funeral - and this included my mother. I must admit that I > thought that this was a tall story however, on visiting Blaina last week, > I was told that this was an old tradition in South Wales. > Can anyone tell my why? Was it a case of what we would call nowadays - > men did the important things and the women stayed at home with the > children - I don't know how else to express it. > Strange idea > Ann > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/784 - Release Date: 01/05/2007 > 14:57 > >

When I was in my teens I was told that no women were allowed to attend my father's funeral - and this included my mother. I must admit that I thought that this was a tall story however, on visiting Blaina last week, I was told that this was an old tradition in South Wales. Can anyone tell my why? Was it a case of what we would call nowadays - men did the important things and the women stayed at home with the children - I don't know how else to express it. Strange idea Ann

I was cleaning my china cabinet and while washing one of the china cups that my Welsh grandmother brought from Wales on her last trip home in 1903, I found something that I am not sure of. The cup is a white china with black print. One one side of the cup is a "A Wedding in Wales" and it has the wedding party in their finery. The other side has "Welsh Costumes:. There are one man and 4 women in various costumes. One woman appears to have a giant cup on her head!!! Just wondering what it could be. The saucer has "A Bidding in Wales" and I was wondering what a Bidding was? One lady pictured has a basket and a man has either a drum or a container of some sort. I thought that it might be a picnic? Any help would be appreciated so that future generations of my family can appreciate this. Thanks, Janet in Virginia, USA warm and HUMID!!!! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Sat May 5th NZ Welsh Group attending Celtic Research day in Hamilton NZ Hi fellow Listers, If anybody happens to be in Hamilton New Zealand this Saturday 5th May 2007 There is a Celtic Research day happening Where the WELSH Interest Group of New Zealand will be attending When and where I hear you ask. DATE: May 5th 2007 VENUE: St Alban's Church Hall ADDRESS: Comries Road, Hamilton New Zealand. The Welsh Interest Group of New Zealand will be in attendance with a variety of their Welsh Research materials on hand for you to browse. Or you might like to come along if for no other reason than to see me Committee Member Kathy who will be dressed in a Welsh outfit for the day. Kathy HILL NZSG 12466 WIG 159 Committee Member Welsh Interest Group http://www.rootsweb.com/~nzsgwig/ wignewzealand@yahoo.com.au

Thanks, Robert and Paula. At least that gives me an idea of what the 'movement' was about. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Treharne Jones" <tjwizard@tiscali.co.uk> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Orchestras > http://tinyurl.com/3c3jv8 > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Roberts > Thanks, Paula, will have a look at that this evening. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paula Payne" <1seabreeze@gmail.com> >> If you do a Google on >> Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement there is some info >> >> On 01/05/07, Ann Macey <annmacey@ntlworld.com> wrote: >>> Can you tell us more about this movement? I have never heard of it and I >>> am >>> sure there are a lot of list members who are interested. Where did it >>> start? >>> Who started it? where did they get the instruments? who taught them? >>> Just a few of the questions that spring to mind. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean Smith" <luddite.jean@tiscali.co.uk> >>> > In 1875 the Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement started, and many >>> > orchestras were formed to play sacred music in churches and chapels >>> > throughout Wales and England. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://tinyurl.com/3c3jv8 Robert -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Roberts Thanks, Paula, will have a look at that this evening. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Payne" <1seabreeze@gmail.com> > If you do a Google on > Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement there is some info > > On 01/05/07, Ann Macey <annmacey@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> Can you tell us more about this movement? I have never heard of it and I >> am >> sure there are a lot of list members who are interested. Where did it >> start? >> Who started it? where did they get the instruments? who taught them? >> Just a few of the questions that spring to mind. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean Smith" <luddite.jean@tiscali.co.uk> >> > In 1875 the Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement started, and many >> > orchestras were formed to play sacred music in churches and chapels >> > throughout Wales and England.

Thanks, Paula, will have a look at that this evening. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula Payne" <1seabreeze@gmail.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Orchestras > Ann > > If you do a Google on > Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement there is some info > > Paula > > On 01/05/07, Ann Macey <annmacey@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean Smith" <luddite.jean@tiscali.co.uk> >> >> > In 1875 the Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement started, and many >> > orchestras were formed to play sacred music in churches and chapels >> > throughout Wales and England. >> >> >> Jean, >> Can you tell us more about this movement? I have never heard of it and I >> am >> sure there are a lot of list members who are interested. Where did it >> start? >> Who started it? where did they get the instruments? who taught them? >> Just a few of the questions that spring to mind. >> >> Ann Macey >> in Warm and windy newport Gwent >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ann If you do a Google on Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement there is some info Paula On 01/05/07, Ann Macey <annmacey@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean Smith" <luddite.jean@tiscali.co.uk> > > > In 1875 the Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement started, and many > > orchestras were formed to play sacred music in churches and chapels > > throughout Wales and England. > > > Jean, > Can you tell us more about this movement? I have never heard of it and I > am > sure there are a lot of list members who are interested. Where did it > start? > Who started it? where did they get the instruments? who taught them? > Just a few of the questions that spring to mind. > > Ann Macey > in Warm and windy newport Gwent > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Smith" <luddite.jean@tiscali.co.uk> > In 1875 the Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement started, and many > orchestras were formed to play sacred music in churches and chapels > throughout Wales and England. Jean, Can you tell us more about this movement? I have never heard of it and I am sure there are a lot of list members who are interested. Where did it start? Who started it? where did they get the instruments? who taught them? Just a few of the questions that spring to mind. Ann Macey in Warm and windy newport Gwent

In 1875 the Pleasant Sunday Afternoon movement started, and many orchestras were formed to play sacred music in churches and chapels throughout Wales and England. He might have been part of that, he was certainly born around the right time. -Jean. At 21:03 30/04/2007, you wrote: >My grandfather was William Jelly, born in Blaina in 1873. I have a >photo of him with his bassoon in an orchestra. This must have been >around the Blaina area as he did not live in any other area. I am >drawing a blank as to the name of the orchestra and wondered if >anyone could help. I have had plenty of suggestions for brass and >silver bands, however this is definitely an orchestra as there are >men with violins. >Any ideas anyone >Thanks >Ann >PS I visited Blaina last week and no-one could help >

My grandfather was William Jelly, born in Blaina in 1873. I have a photo of him with his bassoon in an orchestra. This must have been around the Blaina area as he did not live in any other area. I am drawing a blank as to the name of the orchestra and wondered if anyone could help. I have had plenty of suggestions for brass and silver bands, however this is definitely an orchestra as there are men with violins. Any ideas anyone Thanks Ann PS I visited Blaina last week and no-one could help

G'Day Thanks Ray Thats a big help Jim > Hi Jim, > My pleasure. Let me know if you need any help. > I've also attached a guide to what you may expect from pre 1900 certs. > It's not a good copy but is readable. > Regards. > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Jackson" <genius.jim@gmail.com> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MON] Better link to get a full Page for Qld Indices > > >> G'Day Ray >> I would be very intrestsed thanks. >> >> Jim >> (in the desert called Brisbane) >> >> >> >>> Hi, >>> Please bear in mind that these indexes are only part of the indexes >>> available in fiche format which are: births to 1919; deaths to 1964 and >>> marriages to 1939. >>> For anybody interested in the scope of Australian indexes I can send >>> you a >>> chart off list. >>> Ray Edmunds >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Estelle Daniels" >>> <stelly__57@hotmail.com> >>> To: <ENG-HERTFORDSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com>; >>> <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com>; <middlesex_county_uk@rootsweb.com>; >>> <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:07 PM >>> Subject: [MON] Better link to get a full Page for Qld Indices >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello Listers, >>>> Further to my earlier email regarding the new free on-line Queensland >>>> indexes - this link should give you more to work with on your page. >>>> >>>> This is the better link to use.... >>>> https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m >>>> >>>> Estelle (in Qld) >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Advertisement: Its simple! Sell your car for just $30 at >>>> carsales.com.au >>>> http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801577%2Fpi%5F1005244%2Fai%5F838588&_t=754951090&_r=tig&_m=EXT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: >>>> 15/04/2007 >>>> 4:22 PM >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: >> 22/04/2007 8:18 PM >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >

Hi, Is anyone researching this family please? I have Richard WATKINS m. Ann JENKINS whose daughter Mary Ann married James NOCHOL(L)(S), Newchurch East, Mon, 1841. Richard is the s/o Nathaniel WATKINS and Mary. The IGI shows a Christening 25 Aug 1753 Llangwm, Mon, s/o Nathaniel and Mary which may be this Nathaniel. Nathaniel the father (?) may be the son of Richard Watkins and Mary Christened 17 July 1722 Llangwm. I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has sorted this out. Regards, Peter South Wales [Scanned by Norton AntiVirus]