Hi anyone know what Citra Side means e.g. part of the parish of aberystuth on the Citra Side?

Sorry, did not get through first time. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Llanover or Hanover Chapel?? > http://www.genfair.com/shop/pages/gnt/page11.html shows that Gwent FHS > sells > Monumental Inscriptions for Llanover: St. Bartholomew & Hanover Chapel > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/Llanover/ refers to a book about > Hanover Chapel,Llanover > Harris, John G. Hanover Chapel : celebrating 350 years of worship at > Llanover : Hanover United Reformed Church, Llanover 1644-1994. Llanover : > Hanover United Reformed Church, 1994. 8p. > > This line in Ruth's original email suggests that this is the right place: > "Married in the Hanover Chapel according to > the Rites and Ceremonies of the Independents by me Robert Thomas > minister, Joseph Ellis registrar". > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~familyalbum/klanover.htm lists > among the residents of the parish of Llanover > Davies Rev. David (Congregational) > > It looks as if Hanover chapel in the parish of Llanover near Abergavenny > was > originally Independent, becoming Congregational and then United Reformed > Church. > > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/mapsheet.asp?compid=55188&sheetid=6510&ox=4499&oy=2980&zm=1&czm=1&x=373&y=91 > > shows 'Hanover Chapel,Independent' in the village of Rhyd-y-meirch in > Llanover parish. in a detailed map around 1880 > > If you go to http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/ and search > on 'Llanover' you will see a small + near the road junction which is the > location of this chapel, which from the map sign has neither tower nor > steeple. > > Llanover parish included part of the iron town of Blaenavon. > > Jeff >

Hello Ruth, I must apologise for my earlier email in which I stated that your certificate must be refering to Llanover chapel. I was wrong and I am grateful to Jeff Coleman and Thomas Roderick for their input in later emails. I am very familiar with Llanover parish and have been tracing my ancestors from that area for what seems like a lifetime but I have never once heard or read anything in connection with Hanover chapel there. I made the cardinal mistake of assuming it must be "Llanover' and not 'Hanover' simply because I knew the former well but not the latter. Thanks, too, to Ann for the timely rap on the knuckles! You're up early in the mornings Ann. Regards, David

Come on David, we all know that men like to use as few words as possible to give information but sometimes it is good to elaborate. Could you please explain why it is Llanover Chapel and how you know for the benefit of all our members who know very little about our county and live a long way away from it. Ann Macey List Admin in cloudy Newport Gwent ----- Original Message ----- From: <Azusuk1@aol.com> > It's Llanover Chapel. > Regards > David (Wales)

The Hanover Chapel was the site of the Independents. The parish church of Llanover near by was of the Church of England in Wales. Parts of my family worshiped in the Llanover Parish Church and married others of my family who studied at and attended the Hanover Chapel. But the baptisms and marriage are at Llanover. And it was not an easy assimilation. They eventually stayed with the Congregational Church after migrating to Danville, Pennsylvania, USA in 1851. I'm sure you and I are not the first to be confused by this similarity. For at least a decade I thought 'Hanover' was a typographical error of 'Llanover' I am glad to have the information from your certificate that Robert Thomas was the Independent minister covering Hanover in 1859. I suspect he was responsible for one or two additional Independent chapels near by. If anyone has a good history of the Independents at Hanover, I'd appreciate knowing about it. see this web site: http://www.llanover.com/index.htm?pages/llanoverestate.htm~mainFrame Thomas Roderick in the U.S. > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:50:25 -0600 > From: Ruth Ann Baker <ratbaker@juno.com> > Subject: [MON] Llanover or Hanover Chapel?? > To: MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20070715.215030.-566455.4.ratbaker@juno.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Recently received a marriage certificate and need help in > reading > name of the chapel. > Across the top of the 1859 certificate it says "Marriage > solemnized at Hanover Chapel (or Llanover Chapel) in the district of > Abergavenny in the county of Monmouthshire". Both the bride and the > groom were residents of Abergavenny at the time of the marriage. > Another line reads "Married in the Hanover Chapel according to > the Rites and Ceremonies of the Independents by me Robert Thomas > minister, Joseph Ellis registrar". > Tried a number of different approaches online and could not > successfully determine which name is correct nor find a chapel by > either > name in Abergavenny. > Can anyone recommend a place to look to tell if what looks > like a > capital H to me is actually a double ll in handwriting? > Ruth Ann in United States > > ------------------------------

Hi Sally - Thanks for trying - Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally" <sardine@earthlink.net> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Alice Crook > Diana: The George Crook I have married Eliza in 1848. He died in 1875 > and Eliza was still around as a widow in 1881. Sorry, I tried! Sally > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, It's Llanover Chapel. Regards David (Wales)

Recently received a marriage certificate and need help in reading name of the chapel. Across the top of the 1859 certificate it says "Marriage solemnized at Hanover Chapel (or Llanover Chapel) in the district of Abergavenny in the county of Monmouthshire". Both the bride and the groom were residents of Abergavenny at the time of the marriage. Another line reads "Married in the Hanover Chapel according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Independents by me Robert Thomas minister, Joseph Ellis registrar". Tried a number of different approaches online and could not successfully determine which name is correct nor find a chapel by either name in Abergavenny. Can anyone recommend a place to look to tell if what looks like a capital H to me is actually a double ll in handwriting? Ruth Ann in United States

Ordered a marriage certificate that apparently is not individual I am looking for. Is this yours? Will gladly share. My interest is in the family of Thomas GWATKIN and Ann Saunders. They married in 1859 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire and had a number of children. One of these was a son Thomas GWATKIN born in May 1868 in Abergavenny, Monmouthshire. The elder Thomas GWATKIN was a carpenter and joiner. His sons were painters, decorators, or drapers assistants. The younger Thomas GWATKIN died of tuberculosis in February 1894 at age 25. His occupation was drapers assistant and his brother James Charles GWATKIN was the informant for death certificate. Their father, the elder Thomas GWATKIN, had died in January 1893 of tuberculosis, with son Alfred GWATKIN informant for the death certificate. The marriage certificate in September 1893 in Abergavenny was for a Thomas GWATKIN, age 28, a gardener to Mary Elizabeth VERRY. His father was a Thomas GWATKIN who was a bootmaker. So this clearly cannot be the elder and younger Thomas GWATKIN I am interested in. Ruth Ann in the United States

Diana: The George Crook I have married Eliza in 1848. He died in 1875 and Eliza was still around as a widow in 1881. Sorry, I tried! Sally

There might be a record of the inquest in the quarter session records which are held at Gwent Record Office but I think a better bet is a report in the local paper of the time. Copies of the local papers are held at the Reference Library in John Frost Square Newport. If you can't get to Newport Reference library I am sure there will be someone on this list who will help. Ann Macey List Admin > Iam trying to find a inquest report on the death of an ancestor who died > at Goytre in December 1883. Any guidance please.

Iam trying to find a inquest report on the death of an ancestor who died at Goytre in December 1883. Any guidance please. Brian Forder, brian.forder@ukonline.co.uk

Dear Sally, Thank you for your email. George Lewis Crook c 1852 Bristol married Alice Jane Marsden c1857 Tredegar in 1880 at Bristol. In the 1881 census they have a child Marguerite F. Crook born Bristol aged 4 months. Also in the household are Alice Jane's mother Eliza Marsden. She is married to David Marsden and is the daughter of Richard Jenkins 1776 - died Tredegar 1843 and Ann Moss 1782 Leeds, died Tredegar 1851. Also there are the children of David Marsden and Eliza nee Jenkins - Fanny S Marsden aged 30 born Salisbury, John E. Marsden aged 22 born Llanfoist and Kate E. M. Marsden born Blakeney aged 6. I am trying to find any descendents of George Crook who may know about the Jenkins family. with best wishes Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally" <sardine@earthlink.net> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Alice Crook > Diana: I have done extensive research on one Crook extended family in > Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire and the US (late 1700s-today), but the > only Alice I have was born in the US. Who is the Crook you found in > 1881? Alice? If so, who was she with? > > Sally > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Diana: I have done extensive research on one Crook extended family in Gloucestershire, Monmouthshire and the US (late 1700s-today), but the only Alice I have was born in the US. Who is the Crook you found in 1881? Alice? If so, who was she with? Sally

> > Hello Barbara, > > The Ann Moses on the family search IGI isspelt wrongly. I have a copy > of > the entry of marriage which states Ann Moss - I have a copy of her birth > entry in Leeds for 1782. She was the daughter of William Moss. > > The marriage certificate was signed by Richard Jenkins and it was the mark > of Ann Moss - though her will was written in her own hand and so she must > have become literate. The witnesses were John Moss (I think Anne's > brother) and Thomas Jones. I had not thought to try to find a Thomas > Jones on the 1841 census but that could be like looking for a needle in a > haystack given the very common name. If he stayed near the Jenkins then > it > would be near Church Square or Polar Place. He could have been a rent a > witness though! > > The first born son of Richard and Ann Jenkins born in 1801 was George > baptised 29th November 1801 - he died in infancy on the 20th June 1803 > aged > 1 year and 9 months - according to the gravestone. > > The children of George Jenkins and Sarah nee Beach are names like Isaac, > John, William, Sarah, and Frances (in the next generation from one of the > sons) - all these names are also children of Richard Jenkins 1776 and Ann > nee Moss. >> > Thank you so much for your interest > Diana > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <B1oatley@aol.com> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:32 PM > Subject: Re: [MON] Alice Crook born Tredegar > > >> Hello Diana, >> The Richard Jenkins that you believe came from Newland Glos with possible >> parents George and Sarah, have you any other details on the children that >> Richard and Ann had, because most used to name first born after mother or >> father >> Was Ann's surname Moss or Moses, the reason why I ask is that the >> marriage >> in Bedwellty in 1800 that I located is Richard Jenkins/Ann Moses. >> The option if it's possible, is to have a look at the Parish record >> regarding their marriage in 1800 and see if the fathers name is George >> and >> if it is >> you have the right place of birth. >> All the best >> Regards Barbara >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >

Hello Barbara, Thank you - I have the Marsden's in all the censuses from 1841 to 1891. The Crooks I only have the 1881. I am really trying to find someone who is connected to the Crook family to explore the Jenkins/Marsden families. I have Eliza Marsden 1817 nee Jenkins back to her baptism. Her father was Richard Jenkins c 1776 who appears in Tredegar in 1800 on his marriage to Ann Moss of Leeds. In the 1841 census he is described as not born in county. Richard Jenkins died in 1843 and left a will which I have. He is described as 'of the Black Prince' which was an inn in Tredegar. I have the whole of his family in fairly good detail but am still not sure where he came from. I think I possibly have him in Newland Glos. All the family names are good as are the dates but at present I cannot prove it. So... I came forward a generation to the Crook family to try to see how it all fitted in. It may be possible that Richard Jenkins came from Bristol originally and that is why I asked about the Crook family. Any ideas? thanks Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: <B1oatley@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Alice Crook born Tredegar > Hello Diana, > Do you have all the Census Records for the Marsden/Crook Ancestry. > Regards Barbara > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Diana, The Richard Jenkins that you believe came from Newland Glos with possible parents George and Sarah, have you any other details on the children that Richard and Ann had, because most used to name first born after mother or father Was Ann's surname Moss or Moses, the reason why I ask is that the marriage in Bedwellty in 1800 that I located is Richard Jenkins/Ann Moses. The option if it's possible, is to have a look at the Parish record regarding their marriage in 1800 and see if the fathers name is George and if it is you have the right place of birth. All the best Regards Barbara

Dear list, On the 1881 census I have Alice J. Crook (nee Marsden) aged 24 born Tredegar with her husband George Crook aged 29 born Bristol. Alice's mother Eliza Marsden is living with them at 56 North Road, Bristol. Also there are:- Marguerite Crook aged 4 months born Bristol Fanny Marsden born Salisbury aged 30 John E. Marsden born Llanfoist aged 22 Kate Marsden born Blakeny Glos aged 6 Does anyone have any links or information on this family please? with thanks Diana

Hello Diana, Do you have all the Census Records for the Marsden/Crook Ancestry. Regards Barbara

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