Many male children were still wearing "frocks" ( smocks) until they were about five years of age up to 1920's after which they were "breeched" into trousers. This was common in working class homes. You do not state the approximate ages of the children. I have a photo of my Uncle dressed in a "dress". Smock? Taken in 1917. www.batesplace.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Payne Sent: 08 August 2007 17:19 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [MON] Help need with photo I have an old school photo that I am trying to date. The boys are wearing white frilly aprons as well as the girls, anyone got any ideas when this type of dress finished? Paula ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 08/08/2007 17:38 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: 08/08/2007 17:38

I have an old school photo that I am trying to date. The boys are wearing white frilly aprons as well as the girls, anyone got any ideas when this type of dress finished? Paula

Hi, Jane, I'm sorry to say that I don't have any of the records I listed, other than those of my own family. Unfortunately, I don't have any Murphy's or Desmond's either. I had a quick look on www.ancestry.co.uk and can't find any of the names you mention in Monmouthshire on any of the censuses. It would help if you could provide as much information as you have, especially the names and ages/dates of birth of the children, ages/dates of birth for their parents and the parents occupations. I don't know if you have any information of the later generations, but it is usually a lot easier to start with yourself and work backwards. I hope that is of some use and that your research goes well. Peter Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: <DanCoondog@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Monmouthshire Catholic Records > Peter, Have you any Pontypool birth records for children of Peter and > Catherine MURPHY 1842- 1856 or of children of Edward DESMOND in same > dates? I > have marriage certificate from 1864 of Michael MURPHY and Ellen DESMOND. > Would > like her birth info. She was 19 when married. He was born in Ireland, but > had siblings b. Monmouthshire. > THANK YOU! Jane FOX COONEY > Waterbury, CT USA > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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John, The Gwent Record Office has just provided me with the following list of Catholic Records in its collection: Abergavenny, Our Lady and St. Michael's Baptisms 1740 - 1852, 1864 - 1920 Marriages 1839 - 1854, 1864 - 1963 Deaths 1820 - 1908 Burials 1894 - 1967 (also Index to Registers of Baptisms, 1864 - 1941) Dukestown, Church of the Immaculate Conception Marriages 1983 - 1997 Monmouth, St. Mary Baptisms 1791-1979 (including Perthir 1791 - 1797) Marriages 1799 - 1918 Newport, St. Mary's, Stow Hill Baptisms 1835 - 1915 Marriages 1836 - 1919 Deaths 1838 - 1905 Newport, St. Michael's Baptisms 1888 - 1919 Perthir (merged with Monmouth 1818) Baptisms 1751 - 1818 Pontypool, St. Albans Baptisms 1836 - 1923 Marriages 1848 - 1891 Usk, Saints David Lewis and Francis Xavier Baptisms 1876 - 1947 Marriages 1876 - 1955 (both registers are closed from 1916 onwards) Mike John's site also has details of Catholic Records: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/myfamily-history.htm Michael Gandy's book 'Catholic missions and registers 1700-1880' lists the locations of all known original records and gives details of any copies as at 1993. Volume 3 (of 6) covers Wales & the West of England, which is superseded by the Gwent Record Office list above. The Monmouthshire section is four pages long, but I am willing to try to answer any questions. Most of the register are still with the parish priests. The Archdiocese of Cardiff, which includes Gwent, has its own website giving the parishes: www.rcadc.org I hope this helps. I have had great fun trying to find my Catholic relatives. Peter Williams

Hello Ray in Australia What's the weather like over there?? Thanks for your very helpful suggestion, I will pass it on to Owen since he might just know. Well, anyway, who can remember their mobile phone number ? I keep mine on the list of names on the phone (under another name) and then I can look at it if necessary. GRIN. Who also can remember all the PIN nos. we have to have these days? Or don't you have those in Australia? Obviously your dad had a good memory!! Mine too but he was in reserved occupation so had no army number but could remember his dad's from the 14-18 war. Thanks for your help. Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net

B1oatley@aol.com wrote: > Hello Dawn, > I did answer this query on Glamorgan list when Owen asked for information of > his friend, not knowing where in Wales William came from and whether or not > he may have returned to Canada, it's a wide search. > It may be possible which I had not thought of before if Owen contact the UK > Armed Forces and query where William came from and they may be able to assist > him further. > Regards Barbara > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > G'day Dawn It also might help if he knew his friend's 'last three' i.e., the final 3 digits of his service number. Mine are engraved on my brain and it's nearly 52 years since I got all seven of them from a grateful Air Ministry. I can't remember my mobile telephone number but I haven't forgotten my service number. I know my father knew his 'last 4' in his 90th year and he had received them when he was about 20. I have used them since to access his army records. Hope this helps. Regards Ray Lewis Hazelmere Western Australia Hazelmere Western Australia

Hi listers On behalf of a contact:- Does anyone know of the following person - there is an old friend who would like to know of his whereabouts if still living. Any info gratefully received. "DURING 1941-44 Bill (Taffy) Lloyd and I served together at #34 SFTS Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada, but I lost track of him when we were both sent back to England in 1944 having served our three year tour of duty." He would be around 80 now. Any ideas as to how to trace him? Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net

Hello Dawn, I did answer this query on Glamorgan list when Owen asked for information of his friend, not knowing where in Wales William came from and whether or not he may have returned to Canada, it's a wide search. It may be possible which I had not thought of before if Owen contact the UK Armed Forces and query where William came from and they may be able to assist him further. Regards Barbara

Dawn Cumbley wrote: > Hi Graham > I enjoyed looking at them. > Regards > Dawn > dawn.cumbley@virgin.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Graham" <graham.phillips1@ntlworld.com> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:51 PM > Subject: [MON] Old photos (from postcards) from Pontypool,Abersychan & > Penarth > > >> Going through some old postcards originally sent by my grandfather or his >> family around 100 years ago, I found some giving shots of Abersychan, >> Pontypool and Penarth. >> >> I thought some members of the group would be interested in seeing them, so >> have posted them on the web, accessible from the following link. >> >> http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/GrahamandDebbie/OldPhotos?authkey=okuV5uTu0KQ >> >> As they are postcards, the location is shown on the picture. >> >> Please note that I have optimised the photos for web viewing, so the >> detail may not be as good as the original. If you would like me to let you >> have the original scanned image (each is around 1.5MB), please let me >> know. >> >> Graham >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 30/07/2007 >> 17:02 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Thanks for these Graham. Nick has several Hopton ancesters buried at Trevethin, some lived at Pen-y-garn. Your photos will definitely go in our family history programme. We would appreciate the original scans of Trevethin church and Pen-y-garn Fields please. Does anyone out there have a photo of the Ship Inn in Crane Street Pontypool by any chance? Anne -- Nick and Anne Hopton, Caversham, Reading, England.

Hi Graham I enjoyed looking at them. Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" <graham.phillips1@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: [MON] Old photos (from postcards) from Pontypool,Abersychan & Penarth > Going through some old postcards originally sent by my grandfather or his > family around 100 years ago, I found some giving shots of Abersychan, > Pontypool and Penarth. > > I thought some members of the group would be interested in seeing them, so > have posted them on the web, accessible from the following link. > > http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/GrahamandDebbie/OldPhotos?authkey=okuV5uTu0KQ > > As they are postcards, the location is shown on the picture. > > Please note that I have optimised the photos for web viewing, so the > detail may not be as good as the original. If you would like me to let you > have the original scanned image (each is around 1.5MB), please let me > know. > > Graham > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 30/07/2007 > 17:02 > >

Going through some old postcards originally sent by my grandfather or his family around 100 years ago, I found some giving shots of Abersychan, Pontypool and Penarth. I thought some members of the group would be interested in seeing them, so have posted them on the web, accessible from the following link. http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/GrahamandDebbie/OldPhotos?authkey=okuV5uTu0KQ As they are postcards, the location is shown on the picture. Please note that I have optimised the photos for web viewing, so the detail may not be as good as the original. If you would like me to let you have the original scanned image (each is around 1.5MB), please let me know. Graham

Bryan Lewis and I have spent some time recently researching this LEWIS family, from which Bryan is descended. The family connection with Monmouthshire seems to have started with Edmond LEWIS who was born at Eglwysilan in 1700 son of Lewis EDWARD. By the 1730s he was farming at Marshfield, but also had several grants of land in Whitchurch, Glam. & land in Bassaleg. In the 1730s he married Sarah Lawrence and in 1743 they had a son Edmond. This Edmond married as his second wife in 1771 at St Woolos Anne NICHOLAS (nee BARBER) daughter of Adam Barber, Mayor of Newport, and they lived in St Woollos in the 1770s but by 1783 they were farming Deri Farm (Rhiwbina), Whitchurch. Their son Edmund was born at St Woolos in 1774, married Rachel JOHN of Pentyrch, and the family continued to farm the Deri for many years. The first Edmond Lewis had brothers Lewis Edward of the Green, Michaeston super Ely, Rowland Lewis of Bwlch y Cwm, Eglwysilan and William Lewis of Whitchurch, and two sisters Margaret & Ann. There are several references to the family in the Diary of William Thomas 1762 - 1795. We would be very interested to hear from anyone with an interest in this family. Please contact me at my home address bob.sanders59@ntlworld.com Bob Sanders St Fagans Cardiff Web Site: http://www.angelfire.com/ga/BobSanders Dylai'r datganiadau neu'r sylwadau uchod gael eu trin fel rhai personol ac nid o reidrwydd fel datganiadau neu sylwadau gan Lywodraeth Cynulliad Cymru, unrhyw ran ohono neu unrhyw gorff sy'n gysylltiedig ag ef. Any of the statements or comments made above should be regarded as personal and not necessarily those of the Welsh Assembly Government, any constituent part or connected body. The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet virus scanning service supplied by Cable&Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. (CCTM Certificate Number 2006/04/0007.) On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus free. Communications via the GSi may be automatically logged, monitored and/or recorded for legal purposes. Cafodd fersiwn gwreiddiol y neges e-bost hon ei sganio gan wasanaeth gwrthfeirysau Mewnrwyd Ddiogel y Llywodraeth (GSI) a ddarparwyd gan Cable&Wireless mewn partneriaeth � MessageLabs. (Rhif Tystysgrif CCTM 2006/04/0007). Wrth adael y GSI nid oedd unrhyw feirws yn gysylltiedig ��r neges hon. Mae�n ddigon posibl y bydd unrhyw ohebiaeth drwy�r GSI yn cael ei logio, ei monitro a/neu ei chofnodi yn awtomatig am resymau cyfreithiol.

If anyone is interested please use the contact details at the end of the message. > Please find attached the latest press release from BBC History Magazine > which I thought might be of interest to you and your members. I would be > grateful if you could distribute to anyone who you think may be interested > in supporting our campaign to raise awareness of the historical importance > of memorial inscriptions, and who might also be interested in taking part in > our search for Britain¹s most surprising, enigmatic or bizarre gravestone > epitaph. > www.bbcmagazinesbristol.com > PRESS RELEASE > 23 July 2007 > > Grave matters spur national call for action > > Grave concerns have led to a search for Britain¹s most surprising, enigmatic > or bizarre historical gravestone epitaph, to be launched on 24 July, by BBC History Magazine. > > The call for action aims to raise awareness and understanding of the > importance of gravestone inscriptions as Britain¹s gravestones come under > increasing danger. > > Dave Musgrove, Editor of BBC History Magazine commented: ³Gravestones are > vital to learning about our family and local history and give us a unique > insight into the past. From accounts of bizarre deaths and witty last words, > to highlights of lives lived, personal assaults and biting social > commentary, they tell us some fascinating stories of past human life, and > that¹s exactly what we¹re asking people to find for us.² > > It¹s estimated that there are around 6 million gravestones in England, but > less than half of these have been recorded, and a staggering 25,000 are > thought to be lost to weathering, relocation and vandalism every year. > > Inscriptions on gravestones are a key and largely untapped family history > resource, complementing and adding to the data already available in burial > indexes, and often giving us information that has never before been > recorded. > > Dr Richard Smart, Director of the National Archive of Memorial Inscriptions > (NAOMI), says: ³It¹s critical that the public understand the importance of > gravestone inscriptions, and get involved in helping us to record this often > overlooked but incredibly valuable historical information.² > > The public are being asked to send in any OMysterious Memorials¹ they know > of or find to BBC History Magazine by 1 September 2007. Submissions must > include the text of the epitaph, along with a picture of the gravestone, and > details of where it is. The person who sends in the most surprising, > enigmatic or bizarre gravestone epitaph will win a Canon Digital IXUS 70 > camera worth over £200. > > -ENDS- > > For further information and interviews, please contact: > Tabitha Morton > Head of Press & PR | BBC Magazines Bristol > T 0117 3148300 | M 07977 62817 > E tabithamorton@bbcmagazinesbristol.com > W www.bbchistorymagazine.com >

Thanks Jon - it works now Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonnixey.fh" <jonnixey.fh@btinternet.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Risca Ancestors? look here > Hi Dawn, > > I just typed it in to my browser address bar and could access the site no > problem at all. > > http://www.pettrust.org.uk > > Kind regards, > > Jon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: > 27/07/2007 18:01 > >

Good Evening, My grandfather, father and aunt returned to Wales from Canada on 1st November 1935 on board the vessel Duchess of York. arriving Liverpool from Montreal on 9th november 1935 . Although we have a copy of the entry in the ship's manifest stating the address in Wales that they were going to, the address that they left in Canada is not given. WE believe that this information may be available in the National Records of Canada in Ottawa. If they are it would be appreciated if there is anybody in this area could look up this information. Their names were John, William and Rosie Lewis. Val &John Lewis

Thanks Ann. Works now. Lovely pics aren't they? Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Macey" <annmacey@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Risca Ancestors? look here > http://pettrust.org.uk/index.php/WDW1_Thumbnails > > Try this one, it worked for me > > Ann > > >> I can't get that URL to work. Have you tried it? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/923 - Release Date: > 27/07/2007 18:01 > >

http://pettrust.org.uk/index.php/WDW1_Thumbnails Try this one, it worked for me Ann > I can't get that URL to work. Have you tried it?

Hi Dawn, I just typed it in to my browser address bar and could access the site no problem at all. http://www.pettrust.org.uk Kind regards, Jon

Hi Ann I can't get that URL to work. Have you tried it? I have copied it out as well just in case. Regards Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Macey" <annmacey@ntlworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: [MON] Risca Ancestors? look here > >> I am a volunteer archives trainee at the Planned Environment Therapy >> Trust Archive and Study Centre in Toddington, Gloucestershire, and am >> writing to ask your help and to let you know about some information >> we have which may be of interest to your readers. The information I >> have prepared is at >> <http://www.pettrust.org.uk/>http://www.pettrust.org.uk (Click on >> "New: Press Release"). >> >> The Archive and Study Centre hosts a large collection of papers, >> documents and other materials related to the field of therapeutic >> care. Among this collection are a number of photographs taken at >> Risca in the early 1930s, where an educational settlement was >> established to help unemployed coal miners and their families. David >> Wills and his wife Ruth were joint wardens at the Educational >> Settlement at Oxford House, Risca, and they worked to set up a number >> of groups including an unemployed men's club and boys' and girls' >> clubs. David Wills kept a photograph album of this time. More >> information about this and photographs can be found at our website: >> >> <http://www.pettrust.org.uk/>http://www.pettrust.org.uk/ >> >> Please click on 'RISCA' and you will be taken to thumbnails of our >> photos. By clicking on the 'Larger' link, you will then be able to >> see a bigger version of the photo and find out more information about it. >> >> The photographs from David Wills' album show the people of Risca >> engaged in different activities at Oxford House and also on camping >> trips and holidays in the surrounding countryside. Our hope is you >> will publicise this within the Gwent Family History Society, and that >> your clients will view our collection of photographs online. Some of >> them may be able to recognise themselves or family members, and >> reconnect themselves with the Monmouthshire of the 1930s. We also >> hope that they may be willing to share some of their memories and >> information with us, perhaps by using the online form. >> >> We would be grateful if you would consider making this information >> available to your society's users. If you require more details or >> information please see the Press Release >> (<http://www.pettrust.org.uk/>http://www.pettrust.org.uk) or contact >> me or the archivist, Dr. Craig Fees, at this e-mail address. >> >> Yours sincerely, >> >> Sharon Boyle > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.22/922 - Release Date: > 27/07/2007 06:08 > >