Hello Carol, Have you obtained birth certificates for Joseph and John, by doing so this would assist you further in knowing the maiden name of Mary plus the children's fathers name. I located a Mary Davies on the 1851 Census living still in Tredegar as she was in 1861, but her husbands name was Jonah both of them recorded as born in Carmarthenshire, where Mary was born in 1837. Regards Barbara

>From the National Probate Calendars 1922 Beavan, William Thomas of 84 Twyncarn-road Pontywain Monmouthshire died 9th March 1922 at Brig y Don House Lougher Glamorganshire. Administration Llandaff 2 June to Wilfred Beavan coalminer Effects £648 18s.1d. Lyn Nunn Brisbane Australia

Forgot to add Effects under £300 ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyn Nunn To: MONMOUTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ; monfh@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: MON Family History William Beavan of "Griffin" Inn 1862 Probate I have just been checking the National Probate calendars for some of my Beavans and noticed a couple of Monmouthshire ones that maybe of interest to someone. 10 Jan 1862 The Will of William Beavan late of the"Griffin" Inn in the town of Monmouth Innkeeper deceased who died 21 November 1861 at the "Griffin" Inn aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oath of Susan Beavan of the "Griffin" Inn aforesaid Widow the relict and sole executrix. regards Lyn Nunn Brisbane Australia [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 1New Members b.. 1New Links Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS a.. Family history genealogy b.. United kingdom flower delivery c.. United kingdom phone card d.. Call united kingdom e.. Car rental united kingdom Yahoo! TV Staying in tonight? Check listings to see what is on. Yahoo! Groups Endurance Zone b/c every athlete needs an edge. Official Samsung Yahoo! Group for supporting your HDTVs and devices. . __,_._,___

I have just been checking the National Probate calendars for some of my Beavans and noticed a couple of Monmouthshire ones that maybe of interest to someone. 10 Jan 1862 The Will of William Beavan late of the"Griffin" Inn in the town of Monmouth Innkeeper deceased who died 21 November 1861 at the "Griffin" Inn aforesaid was proved at the Principal Registry by the oath of Susan Beavan of the "Griffin" Inn aforesaid Widow the relict and sole executrix. regards Lyn Nunn Brisbane Australia

Hello - In 1861 Mary DAVIES b. 1822, was widowed from Benjamin and living with her sons John b. 1857 and Joseph b. 1849 in Bedwellty. Also listed is Harriet MORGAN b. 1837 as the daughter so I assume Mary was a MORGAN. I have not been able to find this family in 1851 and nothing on Harriet which I had hoped would bring me some clues. It appears Harriet would have been born when Mary was about 15. Any suggestions as to where I could find out more about this family before 1861. Thanks, Carol in Canada

Pictures of: The Old Roundhouse, Abercrâf (BRE); and Views Across the Valley, Ystradgynlais (BRE/GLA) Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, include: 1. An exploration of a rare circular cattle byre near the village of Abercrâf in the county of Breconshire (ten pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in October 2002. 2. Three views of the Upper Swansea Valley, taken from above the village of Ystradgynlais. The views include the counties of both Breconshire and Glamorgan (three pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in May 1998. As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm While there, take the time to explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective requests. Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Births At Usk Castle, the lady of Alexander Waddington, Esq. of a daughter. Deaths On the 21st ult, after a short illness, much regretted, Ann, wife of Mr. William Evans, of Monmouth. Lyn Nunn Brisbane Australia

Yes Michael that is so true. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Bye Dawn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAllister" <mcallisterfamily@btopenworld.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MON] MONMOUTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 213 > Always sad when someone is added to their own tree onto the wrong > branches. > Thoughts are with the family at this time! > Regards, Michael McAllister > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <monmouthshire-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:00 AM > Subject: MONMOUTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 213 > > >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Death of a lister (Dawn Cumbley) >> > > >

Always sad when someone is added to their own tree onto the wrong branches. Thoughts are with the family at this time! Regards, Michael McAllister ----- Original Message ----- From: <monmouthshire-request@rootsweb.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 8:00 AM Subject: MONMOUTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 213 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Death of a lister (Dawn Cumbley) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the MONMOUTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MONMOUTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Dear Listers It is with great sadness that I report the death of a very dear e mail friend and lister. You may know of her as eandka/pandobear/Jojo or several other akas. It has taken me some time to find this out as she stopped mailing me in June 2006 after telling me it was thought she had had a stroke and I didn't want to trouble her whilst she was unwell. She and I were great friends via e mail so I never had her personal address which is why it has taken me so long to establish what has happened. If someone has it, I would be grateful to have a copy off list. Those of you who knew her will, I am certain, join with me in thinking of her this evening. Edmonton Journal Cunliffe, Esther - CUNLIFFE, Esther Katherine On August 13, 2006, Mrs. Esther Katherine Cunliffe of Edmonton passed away at the age of 65 years. Goodnight Jojo. Sincerely Dawn dawn.cumbley@virgin.net

I have started to research my uncles family and have got back to a John HOWELL a labourer born about 1783 at St Arvans and his wife Margaret born about 1779 at Llansoy, Monmouthshire and son John a shoe maker born about 1809 at St Arvans and another son George born about 1816 St Arvans, there are probably a lot more children but at this time I am interested in John who's wife was Mary born about 1802 at Swansea and they had among others Alfred born 18 Apr 1834 at St Arvans and who became a locomotive driver. Alfred married Jane JOHN born about 1838 at Cardiff and among others they had John William HOWELL a Loco Fireman who was born Nov Quarter of 1859 at Cardiff and married Frances Emily WILLIAMS born about 1862 at Cardiff, they had among others a Frances Emily HOWELLS born Sep Quarter 1891 who married 24 Dec 1915 at Cardiff Register Office my uncle Robert Leonard BROWN who was born Sunderland, County Durham, England 1887. As well as loving to hear from any relatives of these families I would be grateful to find out if there are any Baptist records that I could find for St Arvans area in the 1700s. Cheers. Wilf BROWN

Hello Dennis, The 1851 Census record for Mary Lewis aged 54 shows Govilon in the column for place/street/road,and the Folio is 45 not 46. Regards Barbara

McCarthy and DonovanDear Richard, Sorry for the delay, it has taken me a while to put this down in writing. When I read the first few lines of your email I thought we were onto something, but unfortunately we aren't. Here are the significant parts of my pedigree: Williams (Part of a much larger pedigree, hence the numbers): ............5 Arthur Williams b. 1836 at Llanhennock Mon. d. Brynmawr Feb 1909 ..............+Mary Ann Llewelyn b. 1847 at Newport, m. 15 May 1864 St. Mary's RC Newport d. May 1901 Brynmawr w. bur. ..............6 Alfred Arthur Williams b. 7 Aug 1865 at Tredunnock d. 25 Jun 1933 at Brynmawr, Breconshire .................+Ellen McCarthy b.02 Apr 1868 at Brynmawr Breconshire m. 10 Dec 1901 at Brynmawr w. d. Oct 1945 & bur. .................7 Alfred Williams b. Aug 1902 d. age 4 days at Brynmawr .................7 Mary Elizabeth Williams b. Jun 1903 d. age 14 hours at Brynmawr .................7 Arthur Williams b. May 1904 d. age 2 mins. at Brynmawr .................7 Leo Bernard Adrian Williams b. Sep 1905 d. Apr 1906 at Brynmawr .................7 John Llewellyn Williams b. 5 Nov 1907 at Brynmawr d. 13 Jul 1954 at Birmingham ...................+Laura May Harris b. 22 Sep 1910 d. Harlow 30 Jan 2004 m. 1 Dec 1934 at Holy Family RC Church Birmingham ...................8 Peter Williams b. 1945 ...................+ ...................9 Issue x 3 .................7 Austin Williams b. 27 Nov 1910 at Brynmawr d. May 1958 at Barnet Herts. ....................+Lillian Katherine Suckling b. 7 Mar 1907 d. May 1985 m. 6 June 1940 London, divorced ....................s.p. ..............6 Mary Elizabeth Williams b. Nov 1866 d. May 1868 at Abertillery bur. at Tredunnock ..............6 Austin Dominic Williams b. Mar 1871 at Abertillery d. Oct 1871 at Abertillery bur. at Tredunnock ..............6 Arthur A. Williams b. abt. 1872 at Abertillery ..............6 William J. Williams b. abt. 1879 at Abertillery (still alive in 1933) ..............6 Matilda Martha Williams b. 1881 at Abertillery d. Nov 1887 at Brynmawr where buried ..............6 Llewelyn Williams b. Oct 1882 at Brynmawr where d. Nov 1887 and buried ..............6 Francis Patrick Williams b. Jan 1884 at Brynmawr where d. Feb 1885 and buried Descendants of John Callaghan McCarthy 1 John Callaghan McCarthy b. abt. 1813 d. 29 Jan 1862 killed in a mining accident in Brynmawr 'patches' Called Husbandman in son Daniel's mar. cert. ..+Ellen Unknown b. abt. 1811 Ireland d. 26 Mar 1869 Brynmawr ..2. Daniel McCarthy, b. abt 1842 in Ireland d. 24 Sep 1905 Brynmawr .....+Bridget Knowles b. abt. 1841 Swansea m. 13 Aug 1867 at the Immaculate Conception Church Dukestown, although both were living in Brynmawr. d. 21 Feb 1915 Brynmawr ......3. Ellen McCarthy, b. 2nd April 1868, Brynmawr m. 10 Dec 1901 Brynmawr d. 1945 (burial has 31/10/1945) Brynmawr ..........+ Alfred Williams (see Williams above for descendants) .......3. Margaret 'Maggie' McCarthy, b. 20 Dec 1869, Brynmawr ...........+1. Philip Thomas first husband ...........4. Reginald Thomas b. abt. 1894 ...........4. May Thomas b. abt. 1896 ...........+2. N. Fraser, second husband after decease of first husband ...........+3. David 'Dai' Thomas .......3. Mary 'Polly' Ann McCarthy, b. 14th May 1872, Brynmawr, m. 1909 d. 13 Dec 1942 Brynmawr ...........+Phillip Williams burial 20 Nov 1919 (I wonder if this was a result of WWI? N.B. no relation to Alfred Williams) ...........4. Philip Williams b. Brynmawr ...........4. Thomas John Williams b. Brynmawr .......3. Sarah McCarthy b. 29 Mar 1874 Brynmawr, m. 26 Apr 1897 Brynmawr, d. 1960's Brynmawr ...........+David Thomas b. Nant-y-Glo 1872 ...........4. Bertha Thomas b. 1898 ob. inf. ...........4. David John Thomas ob. inf. ...........4. Daniel 'Danny' Thomas unmarried ...........4. Philip Thomas Killed at sea HMS Eagle ...........4. Reginald 'Reg' Thomas ...............+Violet ...............5. Son ...............5. Son ...............5. Son ...........4. John 'Jack' Thomas ...............+ N. Rampley ...............5. Daughter ...............5. Son .......3. John Callaghan McCarthy b. 26th April 1876, d. Dec 1933 Bargoed, Glamorgan ...........+Keziah Walters, (aka Cassie) m. Q4 1901 Brynmawr ...........4. Patricia 'Pat' McCarthy .......3. Rosina 'Rose' McCarthy b. 1880 Holborn, London ...........+Joseph Blakemore m. 1910 Q3 Brynmawr ...........4. Lella Blakemore ...........4. Jack Blakemore ...........4. Edith May Blakemore ...........4. Doris Blakemore Knowles Family: 1. Joseph Knowles b. abt. 1814 Ireland d. Jun 1869 Brynmawr ....+Margaret Holland b. abt. 1801 Ireland m. 1 Jan 1838 Swansea Register Office d. Feb 1886 Brynmawr (However, this is strange for two reasons: as far as I know both were Roman Catholics and according to the 1841 Census they already had their first two children.) .....2. Joseph Knowles, b. abt. 1835 not Glam. or Ireland, d. 1842 Swansea .....2. John Knowles b. abt. 1838 Swansea, d. Jul 1907 Brynmawr ........+Maria Evans b. abt. 1839 m. 1858 Brynmawr d. Feb 1865 Brynmawr ........3. Catherine Knowles b. abt. 1858 Brynmawr, d. Jul 1862 Brynmawr .....2. Bridget Knowles b. abt. 1841 Swansea, m. 13 Aug 1867 Dukestown, Mon. d. 21 Feb 1915 Brynmawr .........+Daniel McCarthy b. abt 1842 in Ireland d. 24 Sep 1905 Brynmawr .........3. See under McCarthy above for descendants Donovan Family: 1. Daniel Donovan ....+Unknown ....2. Mary Donovan b. abt. 1816 Cork Ireland m. 06 Jun 1846 d. 1870's Abertillery Mon. ........+Thomas Llewellin b. 22 Sep 1822 Llangibby Mon. d. by 1851 ........3. Mary Ann Llewelyn b. 1847 Mon. m. 15 May 1864 Newport Mon. d. 1901 Brynmawr ............+Arthur Williams b. Tredunnock Mon. Nov 1836, d. Feb 1909 Brynmawr ............4. See under Arthur Williams above As far as I am aware all where strong Catholics. I have more information, so if anyone has any questions, please get in touch. Peter Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: richard.gwynn@openreach.co.uk To: peter.williams@bcs.org Cc: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com ; glamorgan@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: McCarthy and Donovan Peter I have just read Jeff's posting of your mail about Monmouthshire Catholic Records on the Glamorgan List. He referred to the fact that you have McCarthys and Donovans in your tree - as do I. My mother's maternal Grandmother was Ellen McCarthy (born 1872) who married William Wallace in 1893. Ellen was the daughter of James (AKA John) McCarthy (born c.1841) and Johannah Donovan (born c.1842) both of whom were born in Ireland and lived in Merthyr Tydfil before moving to Swansea. Ellen had at least 12 siblings: John, Johannah, Mary, Edward, Margaret, Bridget, Catherine, Elizabeth, James, Patrick, Daniel and Julia. Do any of these match up with your McCarthys and Donovans? Regards Richard Gwynn SWANSEA Glam F.H.S. 8154

Hi Judy, How are you, yes I do remember you, I can recall finding James and wife Maria on the Census records with their children in 1851/61/71. Because I have no Parish records to search, I am sorry but I am not able to assist you with John the father of James, but this very minute I have located possibly your James in 1841 living at home with Eleanor, the surname is spelt without the E, not sure if I had located this before for you. Census 1841 Elenor Hughs age 71 Not born in County, there is a tick in end column whether born in Scotland, Ireland or foreign parts. James Hughs age 30 Born in County Parish Llangattock Llingoed District 4 HO107/743 Folio 5 Page 4. Regards Barbara

Dear Judy Your message made me smile - your ancestor looks really fierce! grrrrr ... Best wishes Anne -----Original Message----- From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Judy Lennox Sent: 11 August 2007 14:27 To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 census Hi Barbara, Remember me Judy? l was wondering if you could help me. Looking for parish records of grrr-grandfather. Thanks Judy

Hi Barbara, Remember me Judy? l was wondering if you could help me. Looking for parish records of grrr-grandfather. John Hughes married Eleanor l'll give you the information on his son. James Hughes b;1810 Llangattock Lingoed Monmouthshire,Wales civil parish;Llangattock Lingoed county; Monmouthshire country; Wales reg.district; Abergavenny sub.reg.dist;Llanvihangel Hope you can help me with this. l already have the census and parish records on James & family. Thanks Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: <B1oatley@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [MON] 1851 census > Hello Dennis, > Have you got all of the reference number for HO107, and have you got the > birth date and place of birth for Mary Lewis. > Regards Barbara > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.11/944 - Release Date: 8/9/2007 > 2:44 PM > >

Pictures of: Abergavenny (MON); and Roman Amphitheatre & Barracks, Caerleon (MON) Dear Listers, This week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' webpages, just uploaded onto my website, include: 1. Scenes captured in and around the market town of Abergavenny in the county of Monmouthshire (eight pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998. 2. An exploration of the two-thousand-year-old Roman amphitheatre and barracks at Caerleon in the county of Monmouthshire (nine pictures). This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in November 2000. As usual, these webpages will be on display for one week. 'Retrospective Images of Wales' is at www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/retro/retro.htm While there, take the time to explore my 'Webpage Archive' and make your own Retrospective request Kind regards, John -------------------- John Ball, Cwmgwili, Carmarthenshire, Wales, UK E-mail: john@jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator - Powys (& BRE/MGY/RAD) mailing lists

Hi could any listers find the address of HO107 -46 -13 Mary Lewis I am hopeing its cwm road llanwenarth ultra in 1851 censusIhave the index only many thanks Dennis

Hello Dennis, Have you got all of the reference number for HO107, and have you got the birth date and place of birth for Mary Lewis. Regards Barbara

Hi Lewis Thanks for the reply, I would think the eldest boys in aprons are about eight years old. Regards Paula On 08/08/07, Lewis Bates <lewbat@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > > Many male children were still wearing "frocks" ( smocks) until they were > about five years of age up to 1920's after which they were "breeched" > into trousers. This was common in working class homes. > You do not state the approximate ages of the children. > I have a photo of my Uncle dressed in a "dress". Smock? Taken in 1917. > > www.batesplace.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:monmouthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paula Payne > Sent: 08 August 2007 17:19 > To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MON] Help need with photo > > I have an old school photo that I am trying to date. The boys are > wearing > white frilly aprons as well as the girls, anyone got any ideas when this > type of dress finished? > > Paula > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: > 08/08/2007 17:38 > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.10/943 - Release Date: > 08/08/2007 17:38 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >