John, I think you could be less tactless........ Barbara is offering her opinion. Personally I don't go in for this DNA lark either. Have you tried googling Pedog? All I can find is Padog.....near Snowdonia..... a long way from Monmouthshire! ( I was tempted to say Tipperary! ) ;-) Kevin, Co Cork,Ireland.> From: jlrroberts755@hotmail.com> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 11:54:17 -0700> Subject: Re: [MON] Pedog?> > > shire is supposedly Monmouth. I have 2 DNA matches with myself, both having the Roberts surname, and since we come from Wales, I know there are many I could match to without that surname, but the connection with those other names can be traced. And I know there can be additional DNA from the mother into her child, thus scrambling the match, but I would personnally question a childs' parentage who has NO match with either parent. Not impossible, but there are easier explanations than no DNA match.> From: B1oatley@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:35:11 -0400> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MON] Pedog?> > Hello John,> Do they supply you with a County, I myself have not heard of a place named > Pedog.> And regarding DNA I do not have faith in this, if everyone is to be believed > when they say that all those with same surname are related, I would take > this with a pinch of salt. There have been cases where children are born and > have no connection of DNA to the parents, my young daughter has no DNA match to > myself or her father. > Regards Barbara> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> _________________________________________________________________> Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo!> http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us

I was simply looking for any marriage of a George MORGAN and a Mary Ann, and this one just over a year before the first baby, in the right district, seemed worth looking at. She might have been a widow, as she was apparently 26 or so by then. All marriages had to be registered in England and Wales after 1837, so if you don't find the obvious, look for alternatives. I found, in a family I researched a few years back, that the mother's maiden surname on her children's birth certificates was actually that of her step-father, who was listed as her father on her marriage certificate, but she was actually married in her legal maiden name, the one she was baptised with in the 1820s. Have you found them in Maesteg in 1861 (both born Pontypool) and in 1871? As he was an Iron Roller (1871), possibly a Baller (1861) the history of ironworks in Maesteg, Llangynwyd parish, Glamorgan and in Panteg, Trevethin parish, Pontypool, would seem to be relevant. The GENUKI pages for these areas should be useful. Llangynwyd was in Bridgend registration district. George is in Panteg (spelled Panteague) in 1851 with birth given as Trevethin. The reference is HO107; Piece: 2449; Folio: 634; Page: 70 . He is lodging with the family of Joseph JONES 41 and his wife Ann, 39 and William MORGAN, widower,66 b. Mon.,Llangibby, Ann's father, who may of course also have been George's father. George was a tinplate shearer at that point. I suspect he was also the same person in Panteague in 1841 shown as age 12 with Wm. Morgan, '50' a Shearer and a Susan Morgan 13. Reference HO107; Piece 749; Book: 20; Enumeration District: 22; Folio: 19; Page: 31; Line: 6 On Mike John's site in Trevethin marriages there is a William MORGAN marrying Ann RICHARDS in 1828 and in Llangibby several William Morgan marriages in the early 1800s. In 1851 a Mary Ann DANIEL, 22, a Tin scourer, born Trevethin was lodging in Panteague with widower Mary ORAM, a pauper, and her daughter. Reference is HO107; Piece: 2449; Folio: 615; Page: 32 In 1841 census a Mary DANIEL,14 is in Panteague with John DANIEL, 40, a miner, and no-one else in the household. Reference is HO107; Piece 749; Book: 20; Enumeration District: 23; Folio: 45; Page: 16; Line: 25 Jeff

Gareth Morgan wrote: > Hello List > > Has anyone ever come across a place called either > Pantage or Poutage? Could it be near Tranch Trevethin? > > Gareth > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > G'day Gareth and list Could it be Panteg? Regards Ray Lewis

Hello Jeff Elizabeth died in the US as did Rebecca and brother Henry. On Elizabeth's death cert the mother is named as Mary Ann Daniel. The informant being her brother Henry. Gareth --- Jeff Coleman <jeff.coleman@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Original message > > > > I am looking for are the marriage of a George > > Morgan(1830)and Mary Ann Daniels (1828) both born > > Pantage Mon (1871 census)and their two children's > > baptisms. Sarah Ann (14 May 1855) and Elizabeth (4 > > Sept 1858) both born Tranch. George and Mary are > > buried in Welsh Baptist Chapel so I assumed that > the > > BT's do not cover Non Conformist chapels. > > I suppose it would be too obvious to look at the > marriage in June quarter > 1854 in Pontypool district of George MORGAN, where > Mary Ann MORGAN was one > of the others on the index page? It is in FreeBMD's > database. The only > marriage of a Mary Ann DANIEL I can easily find in > Pontypool was in June > quarter 1851, possibly to a Herbert THOMAS. > > The Baptist chapels were so-called partly because in > general they went for > baptism of adults rather than children. BTs or > Bishop's Transcripts were > internal documents if the Church of England. > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

hi. try panteg in newbridge gwent not torfaen pasha Alan Heard <alan.heard2@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi Gareth Try Panteg in district of Torfaen. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Morgan" To: Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [MON] Pantage or Poutage; Monmouthshire > Hello List > > Has anyone ever come across a place called either > Pantage or Poutage? Could it be near Tranch Trevethin? > > Gareth > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try > it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Original message > > I am looking for are the marriage of a George > Morgan(1830)and Mary Ann Daniels (1828) both born > Pantage Mon (1871 census)and their two children's > baptisms. Sarah Ann (14 May 1855) and Elizabeth (4 > Sept 1858) both born Tranch. George and Mary are > buried in Welsh Baptist Chapel so I assumed that the > BT's do not cover Non Conformist chapels. I suppose it would be too obvious to look at the marriage in June quarter 1854 in Pontypool district of George MORGAN, where Mary Ann MORGAN was one of the others on the index page? It is in FreeBMD's database. The only marriage of a Mary Ann DANIEL I can easily find in Pontypool was in June quarter 1851, possibly to a Herbert THOMAS. The Baptist chapels were so-called partly because in general they went for baptism of adults rather than children. BTs or Bishop's Transcripts were internal documents if the Church of England. Jeff

Hello John, Do they supply you with a County, I myself have not heard of a place named Pedog. And regarding DNA I do not have faith in this, if everyone is to be believed when they say that all those with same surname are related, I would take this with a pinch of salt. There have been cases where children are born and have no connection of DNA to the parents, my young daughter has no DNA match to myself or her father. Regards Barbara

Hello List Thank you all for your replies I have tried a search on Mike John's pages without much luck. They are in Maesteg by 1860 when a daughter Rebecca was born. I have tried the 1841 and 1851 census. To date I have had no luck. I am looking for are the marriage of a George Morgan(1830)and Mary Ann Daniels (1828) both born Pantage Mon (1871 census)and their two children's baptisms. Sarah Ann (14 May 1855) and Elizabeth (4 Sept 1858) both born Tranch. George and Mary are buried in Welsh Baptist Chapel so I assumed that the BT's do not cover Non Conformist chapels. Gareth ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

shire is supposedly Monmouth. I have 2 DNA matches with myself, both having the Roberts surname, and since we come from Wales, I know there are many I could match to without that surname, but the connection with those other names can be traced. And I know there can be additional DNA from the mother into her child, thus scrambling the match, but I would personnally question a childs' parentage who has NO match with either parent. Not impossible, but there are easier explanations than no DNA match.> From: B1oatley@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 14:35:11 -0400> To: monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MON] Pedog?> > Hello John,> Do they supply you with a County, I myself have not heard of a place named > Pedog.> And regarding DNA I do not have faith in this, if everyone is to be believed > when they say that all those with same surname are related, I would take > this with a pinch of salt. There have been cases where children are born and > have no connection of DNA to the parents, my young daughter has no DNA match to > myself or her father. > Regards Barbara> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words?  Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_wlmailtextlink

And I'm looking for this place, said to be the birth place of a DNA match for me. Any ideas? And thanks a lot. John _________________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2

Hi Gareth Try Panteg in district of Torfaen. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Morgan" <morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk> To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [MON] Pantage or Poutage; Monmouthshire > Hello List > > Has anyone ever come across a place called either > Pantage or Poutage? Could it be near Tranch Trevethin? > > Gareth > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try > it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > >

Hi Gareth It's PANTEG ...... check out GenUki at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MON/PanTeague/index.html for details and more info. regards Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Morgan" <morgangareth36@yahoo.co.uk> To: <MONMOUTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 10:51 PM Subject: [MON] Pantage or Poutage; Monmouthshire > Hello List > > Has anyone ever come across a place called either > Pantage or Poutage? Could it be near Tranch Trevethin? > > Gareth > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try > it > now. > http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mike I am looking for are the marriage of a George (1830)and Mary Ann Daniels (1828) born Pantage Mon and their two children's baptisms. Sarah Ann (14 May 1855) and Elizabeth (4 Sept 1858) both born Tranch. George and Mary are buried in Welsh Baptist Chapel so I assumed that your BT's do not cover Non Conformist chapels. Gareth --- mike john <mdjohn@ntlworld.com> wrote: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm ___________________________________________________________ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html

Diana Rosser married William Evans 7 Oct 1793 at Trelleck. I have searched the on-line parish register transcriptions for Trelleck and Trelleck Grange for the possible christening, but have not found it. Can anyone help? Regards Jon

Mary LEWIS married William VAUGHAN at Trelleck 23 Jun 1784. I am trying to determine which of three possible Marys she is. Mary Lewis, chr.31 Mar 1754, d. of Thomas and Jane Lewis Mary Lewis, chr.9 May 1756, d. of Thomas and Mary Lewis Mary Lewis, chr.16 Jun 1757, d. of Lewis and Catherine Lewis. The witnesses at William and Mary's wedding were F. Rumsey, H. Rumsey, Jemima Powell and Matthew Powell. Any help would be appreciated. Regards Jon

Hello List Has anyone ever come across a place called either Pantage or Poutage? Could it be near Tranch Trevethin? Gareth ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Jeff, Thank you again, you really have been very helpful to me. I appreciate it very much. I will let you know when I find her family. Now, I really have to find Thomas ASTONS family, the ASTONS and my BIBEYS have been entwined for generations. For some reason or the other and I would like to know which line he came from. Alice ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Thank you Alice for your kind remarks. Bear in mind that Elizabeth said in a census that she was from Llanfihangel Tor-y-mynydd parish. Now google to find GENUKI Monmouthshire. At the top there is a link to Monmouthshire towns and parishes. Letter L. Llanfihangel Tor-y-mynydd. After the section on Church records there is a link to Mike John's web site, which has some transcriptions of parish records. >From there look for a section on Baptisms covering the dates for Elizabeth (who was 45 in 1851 so born in 1805 or 1806) and you get to http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/Llanfihangel-Tory-baps-1800-12.htm and there you will find just one Elizabeth JONES matching the date. Seeing the name of her mother was that of one of her daughters, that looks your likely candidate for an ancestor. Look at the other children of John and Martha JONES in that page and the earliest on that page is 1803. I can't see any in the 1790s so look for a marriage in that parish around 1802. I can't find one, so start looking in nearby parishes. Mike has some extremely useful transcriptions for which he deserves credit. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: <GG1531@aol.com> To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 7:43 AM Subject: [MON] Mary ASTON / WITCHELL > The very first thing I would like to say is thank you to Ann Macy and > especially Jeff Coleman for the information and also the advice given. > Thank you. > > I did phone the General Register Office (about 1:00 our time) and talked > to > a very nice lady, she took all the information plus the request that the > father should be Thomas, told me it would be sent with-in seven days. > Well, it > came today well with-in the time I thought. > Mary ASTON was born to Thomas ASTON and Elizabeth ASTON formerly JONES. > Thomas was a miner. > She was born Blaenavon, Abergavenny, County of Monmouth. Twentysixth of > June > 1847. > > Since JONES is a pretty common name I felt I might not be able to find > her > mothers family but in going through my e-mails that responded to my query > there was one that was from Ray Lewis in Western Austrailia who had > written to > me off-list. It seems his great-uncle Octavius JONES (b Abersychan, Mon. > 1882) > mentioned a Billy Witchell son whom he had known in Abersychan in his > last > letter home (he was killed at Galllipoli May 1915). Ray mentions several > other Witchells but my eyes glazed over when I read the name JONES. > > Wish me luck and thank you Ann and Jeff again. > > Alice > California > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The very first thing I would like to say is thank you to Ann Macy and especially Jeff Coleman for the information and also the advice given. Thank you. I did phone the General Register Office (about 1:00 our time) and talked to a very nice lady, she took all the information plus the request that the father should be Thomas, told me it would be sent with-in seven days. Well, it came today well with-in the time I thought. Mary ASTON was born to Thomas ASTON and Elizabeth ASTON formerly JONES. Thomas was a miner. She was born Blaenavon, Abergavenny, County of Monmouth. Twentysixth of June 1847. Since JONES is a pretty common name I felt I might not be able to find her mothers family but in going through my e-mails that responded to my query there was one that was from Ray Lewis in Western Austrailia who had written to me off-list. It seems his great-uncle Octavius JONES (b Abersychan, Mon. 1882) mentioned a Billy Witchell son whom he had known in Abersychan in his last letter home (he was killed at Galllipoli May 1915). Ray mentions several other Witchells but my eyes glazed over when I read the name JONES. Wish me luck and thank you Ann and Jeff again. Alice California ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Presumably from his original email, which only Ann received? This significant detail would then have been stripped out when Ann forwarded the plain text version of the original to the list. Robert >----Original Message---- >From: oclarke4@comcast.net >But how did you know he was ntlworld? he could have been a whole number of >different addresses. Do you have some way of discerning this info? because I >have wished for it on occasion. Personally I've been through a number of >different ones including the ntl one. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ann Macey" <annmacey@ntlworld.com> >Of course to do that you need the addy - chris dot reaney at ntlworld. com >I have done it this way because the rootsweb servers tend to strip html from >messages so substitute a real dot for the word and ... you're ahead of me >here aren't you LOL > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ann Macey" <annmacey@ntlworld.com> >I have been asked to forward this to the lists. I do not know any more about >it that this so please get intouch with the original sender > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Chris Reaney >I would be grateful if you would send the following information to your >subscribers: >15th September 1.30am-4.30pm Family History Day at St. Mabon's Church, >Llanfabon (Nelson). The parish registers going back to 1717 will be >available for consultation. Admission by programme (£1). All proceeds to >maintenance of Churchyard. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/