Dear Hugh and Mike, Yes, I agree with both your comments. Unfortunately, they don't solve my problem. Having untangled my brain, the dates involved are slightly later: must have been having a late night moment. Sorry! On page 70 of the 1891census Mynnyddyslwyn District 3, Blaen Blodau is one dwelling which is immediately followed by "Trecelyn no.100". There then follow over 100 houses all given as Trecelyn number whatever it is. My lot are at Trecelyn, 199 on page 92. In 1896, my ggggrandmother Catherine Hayes died and her death cert gives her place of death as about 120, Trecelyn (don't have the cert to hand). By 1901, there's no trace of "Trecelyn" in the census and even in the 1891 census, I can't find the houses numbered under 100. I have trawled and trawled through maps and census pages without success. I know it's the Welsh for Newbridge and the census route confirms that it must have been on the Blaen Blodau side of the river, but I'm baffled by the absence of numbers 1-100 and by the existence of 117 houses in 1891 which I cannot find in 1901. Usually it's the other way around. My best guess so far is that the streets in the Trecelyn area weren't given separate names until about 1900...but that is just a guess. Every now and then, I spend another few hours peering at maps and censuses, but so far without any progress! Sian > Trecelyn was the area on the west side of Newbridge in the 1891 census > and made up of a few street. Beynon street – Blaenblodau street – > Torlais street – Hill street – Grove street – Ebbw view terrace – > Tyllwydo Place Tramroad Place Pennar’s Gold Grove and may be a few > more. > Trecelyn is the Welsh name for Newbridge.

Trecelyn was the area on the west side of Newbridge in the 1891 census and made up of a few street. Beynon street – Blaenblodau street – Torlais street – Hill street – Grove street – Ebbw view terrace – Tyllwydo Place Tramroad Place Pennar’s Gold Grove and may be a few more. Regards Mike >----Original Message---- >From: m@ilmenow.com >Date: Dec 26, 2013 9:10 >To: <monmouthshire@rootsweb.com> >Subj: Re: [MON] Tredegar Streets > >At 00:02 26/12/2013, Sian Mackey wrote: >> I'm still hunting for 'Trecelyn' in what is now Newbridge: it was >> a street name >>with more than a hundred houses on it in 1890 (from when I have a death >>cert)...and has totally vanished by 1901 and on the earliest map I can >>find. > > >That's an interesting one because Trecelyn is the Welsh name for Newbridge. > >Hugh > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 00:02 26/12/2013, Sian Mackey wrote: > I'm still hunting for 'Trecelyn' in what is now Newbridge: it was > a street name >with more than a hundred houses on it in 1890 (from when I have a death >cert)...and has totally vanished by 1901 and on the earliest map I can >find. That's an interesting one because Trecelyn is the Welsh name for Newbridge. Hugh

Hi Andrew, If you look at the census for 1871 (I think, this is off the top of my head and it is midnight! Might have been 1881.) and go street by street, you can find many, many "back of" addresses. Indeed, it seems that most of the streets had a row of cottages behind them. My suspicion is that Tredegar was much like the "back-to-back" parts of cities like Birmingham at that time. The census shows that these were houses with multiple families lodging in many of them and they probably had a long, narrow courtyard like an alleyway between the two rows of properties. The "back of" rows would not usually have had direct access to the street, but would have had to go down the court to the end of the row of properties opening onto the street and then out to the front. Most of them will have gone with "improvement" programmes, (probably in the 1950s and 60s) reducing the density of the occupation. As a result, "back of Queen Street" would have been exactly that, the row of dwellings behind Queen Street. Woodview Place might well be findable by trawling through the census too. What I do is have a part screen window showing a map from the Old Maps site open next to my census page from LDS (or your searching site of choice), then go house to house, following the census route to try to work out where some vanished streets used to be. It isn't always conclusive. I'm still hunting for 'Trecelyn' in what is now Newbridge: it was a street name with more than a hundred houses on it in 1890 (from when I have a death cert)...and has totally vanished by 1901 and on the earliest map I can find. However, usually, you can work it out if you don't mind going a bit cross-eyed peering at old maps! At the very least, you can pick up nearby streets which do still exist and that can help to narrow down the area. By following the census route, you can see where the existing bits fit into the old street plan and it starts to create a picture of how it used to be. Good hunting! Sian

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Dear All I have a few documents showing family addresses in Tredegar and I'm guessing that most of them might now have gone as I can't find them on good, old Google Maps. I'm missing Woodview Place and a couple shown as "Back of Queen Street". If anybody can give me some idea on where these were then I'd be very grateful. Many thanks Andrew

Hi Sue, You can order copies of their birth certificates from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/, but they do cost £9.25 each, so I would do some research first and try and pin down the actual registration. You can use www.freebmd.org.uk. to try and find the birth registration of the people you mention, Ive looked for John and Julia and they arent obvious...... There are no John and Julia's Grady's in Monmouthshire? But have you looked into other census years, because what looks to be your family in 1871 shows John and Julia as being born in Merther Tydfil under the surname Gready? Also in 1851 they are lodging at Merther again with the family of John Mangon. Also on ancestry there is a naturalization record for John Grady, aged 24 in Connecticut, dated 24th Oct 1879? I hope this may help Stuart

Thank you, Stuart, for the information on ordering birth certs. Alas, finding the dates is the big problem - freebmd has only Thomas Grady (or was that on the Glamorgan birth CD?). I believe that you have found the family in 1851, 61 and 71. I do need to look into that naturalization record. I am trying to find his death (in New Haven, CT); I have one for Bridget (the mother) and that is what set this all off as it says her maiden name was Shea! not Moran. Shea possibly makes her my gr gr grandfather's sister. Oh, well, no one said that this would be easy. Thank you for your help. Sue On 11/26/2013 2:56 PM, stuart churchill wrote: > Hi Sue, > You can order copies of their birth certificates from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/, but they do cost £9.25 each, so I would do some research first and try and pin down the actual registration. You can use www.freebmd.org.uk. to try and find the birth registration of the people you mention, Ive looked for John and Julia and they arent obvious...... > There are no John and Julia's Grady's in Monmouthshire? But have you looked into other census years, because what looks to be your family in 1871 shows John and Julia as being born in Merther Tydfil under the surname Gready? Also in 1851 they are lodging at Merther again with the family of John Mangon. > Also on ancestry there is a naturalization record for John Grady, aged 24 in Connecticut, dated 24th Oct 1879? > I hope this may help > Stuart > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you so much! The Gradys immigrated to New Haven, CT and I have just spent time going through the city directories, year by year, looking for them and others of their (and my) relatives. Many relationships but I just can't nail down anything definite. Such is genealogy, I guess. Some one on facebook suggested that these births weren't registered because they were RC? I also am not on findmypast but, after Thanksgiving, may take a free introductory membership. Thank you. Sue On 11/26/2013 7:52 AM, Diane Land wrote: > Hi Susan, > > I looked through births and baptisms on the Mongenes Yahoo site but no luck > on the Gradys. Looked at familysearch.org and no luck either. Did find an > Amelia Grady ( b. abt 1859) married in Tredegar, St George Feb 24 1883 to > Joseph Thomas Chalkley at familysearch. However I did find a John Thomas > Brady , bap Sep 11 1964 Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales- at familysearch.org. I > don't know who his parents are though, as the actual image is at > findmypast.co.uk ( where I don't have a subscription). No luck on Julia. > Hope this helps a little. Diane in PA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan, I looked through births and baptisms on the Mongenes Yahoo site but no luck on the Gradys. Looked at familysearch.org and no luck either. Did find an Amelia Grady ( b. abt 1859) married in Tredegar, St George Feb 24 1883 to Joseph Thomas Chalkley at familysearch. However I did find a John Thomas Brady , bap Sep 11 1964 Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales- at familysearch.org. I don't know who his parents are though, as the actual image is at findmypast.co.uk ( where I don't have a subscription). No luck on Julia. Hope this helps a little. Diane in PA

Hello, I just subscribed to this list minutes ago (that was fast). I have a CD called Glamorgan Birth Index 1838-1930. However, now I am interested in a couple of births that were in Monmouthshire. I hope such information exists. I would like information about John and Julia Grady whose parents were John and Bridget Grady. The 1861 census says that John was age 5 (born 1856) and born in Monmouthshire Tredegar. The same census says that Julia was 3 (born 1858) also in Monmouthshire Tredegar. I would like the dates of the births, but I am really interested in the mother, Bridget Grady's, maiden name which I think was Moran but might have been Shea. Parents John and Bridget Grady also had two daughters born in Ireland (Mary and Ellen) and a son Thomas, born in Dowlais and I have found him on the Glamorgan CD. I should add that the 1871 census has John and Julia Grady as having been born in Dowlais, but I haven't found them there. Thank you so much. Sue

Hello Jan, Thank you for your reply, you are probably right about my family being on the missing census records, over 7000 is rather a lot, I will keep trying various ways though, Just in case they do turn up. And I will look at any of their relatives, at least the ones which I know about. I have had another thought,. As they were Ironworkers and carried on in those jobs when they moved to Stoke on Trent I wonder whether there would be any employment records of the local Iron and works in the Trevethin area. Grateful for any suggestions on that. Once again many thanks Lilian

Hi Bill Re your reply to this email to Lilian I noticed your email address with Harrison genealogy in it. I have Harrison ancestors from UK who came out to South Australia if this is of interest to you.; Catherine Harris b Shipton on Stour UK abt. 1832 married John Harrison b abt. 1828 in Alcester UK. Both died in South Australia. Ian Moody On 11/11/13 09:03, Harrison Genealogy wrote: > Lilian > > Be mindful that the 1861 census was taken on the Easter bank holiday weekend and many families visited their relatives during this period ... So you may find them elsewhere. > > Regards > > Bill > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:05, "Lilian Fowler" <lilian.fowler@ntlworld.com> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, I am once again trying to knock down my frustrating brick >> wall with regards to my 2 x gt. Grandparents Daniel Bassett and Catherine >> Williams and would be most grateful for any help or suggestions. >> >> >> >> Daniel was born in Llanelli, Carmarthenshire c 1819 and Catherine in >> Breckonshire c1817 - Daniel's father was also Daniel and Catherine's father >> was David. They were married St. Cadoc's Church, Trevethin, Mon. >> 21/112/1839 - I have no records relating to their mothers - >> >> >> >> They were certainly still in Wales 1841 and 1851 census, along with their >> children, however I have tried many times to find them on the 1861 census >> but have had no luck at all . >> >> >> >> I think that they were still in the same area in 1861, because in 1866 their >> daughter Mary who was then aged 19 or 20 had a child James (no father given >> on the birth certificate recorded in Abersychan, Trevethin, Pontypool) in >> 1866 and is recorded on the 1871 census as their son instead of grandson (he >> died in 1878) because they do seem to be a very close knit family (their >> eldest daughter Elizabeth had married in 1864) they all appear to have >> moved together to Stoke on Trent area as they are all recorded on the >> subsequent census records with the exception of Catherine who died in 1889 >> and Daniel who did not die until 1895 and he is my other brick wall as I >> can't find him on the 1891 census. >> >> >> >> I have posted this request on previous occasions but I know that sometimes >> brick walls just come tumbling down. >> >> >> >> Thank you - Lilian >> >> >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> ****************************** >> PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MONMOUTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lilian, Some of the 1861 census records are missing and its probable that yours are amongst the missing. There is a list on the MonGenes list of all the missing census records in Monmouthshire. I've just had a look on it and it says that Trevethin have 7,372 1861 census records missing. The missing parish records volume numbers are 61V20-61V22. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lilian Fowler" <lilian.fowler@ntlworld.com> > Hello everyone, I am once again trying to knock down my frustrating > brick > wall with regards to my 2 x gt. Grandparents Daniel Bassett and Catherine > Williams and would be most grateful for any help or suggestions. > Daniel was born in Llanelli, Carmarthenshire c 1819 and Catherine in > Breckonshire c1817 - Daniel's father was also Daniel and Catherine's > father > was David. They were married St. Cadoc's Church, Trevethin, Mon. > 21/112/1839 - I have no records relating to their mothers - > They were certainly still in Wales 1841 and 1851 census, along with their > children, however I have tried many times to find them on the 1861 census > but have had no luck at all . > I think that they were still in the same area in 1861, because in 1866 > their > daughter Mary who was then aged 19 or 20 had a child James (no father > given > on the birth certificate recorded in Abersychan, Trevethin, Pontypool) in > 1866 and is recorded on the 1871 census as their son instead of grandson > (he > died in 1878) because they do seem to be a very close knit family (their > eldest daughter Elizabeth had married in 1864) they all appear to have > moved together to Stoke on Trent area as they are all recorded on the > subsequent census records with the exception of Catherine who died in 1889 > and Daniel who did not die until 1895 and he is my other brick wall as I > can't find him on the 1891 census. > >

Lilian Be mindful that the 1861 census was taken on the Easter bank holiday weekend and many families visited their relatives during this period ... So you may find them elsewhere. Regards Bill Sent from my iPad > On 10 Nov 2013, at 18:05, "Lilian Fowler" <lilian.fowler@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, I am once again trying to knock down my frustrating brick > wall with regards to my 2 x gt. Grandparents Daniel Bassett and Catherine > Williams and would be most grateful for any help or suggestions. > > > > Daniel was born in Llanelli, Carmarthenshire c 1819 and Catherine in > Breckonshire c1817 - Daniel's father was also Daniel and Catherine's father > was David. They were married St. Cadoc's Church, Trevethin, Mon. > 21/112/1839 - I have no records relating to their mothers - > > > > They were certainly still in Wales 1841 and 1851 census, along with their > children, however I have tried many times to find them on the 1861 census > but have had no luck at all . > > > > I think that they were still in the same area in 1861, because in 1866 their > daughter Mary who was then aged 19 or 20 had a child James (no father given > on the birth certificate recorded in Abersychan, Trevethin, Pontypool) in > 1866 and is recorded on the 1871 census as their son instead of grandson (he > died in 1878) because they do seem to be a very close knit family (their > eldest daughter Elizabeth had married in 1864) they all appear to have > moved together to Stoke on Trent area as they are all recorded on the > subsequent census records with the exception of Catherine who died in 1889 > and Daniel who did not die until 1895 and he is my other brick wall as I > can't find him on the 1891 census. > > > > I have posted this request on previous occasions but I know that sometimes > brick walls just come tumbling down. > > > > Thank you - Lilian > > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- When replying please remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ****************************** > PLEASE keep your Anti-Virus and Anti-Malware software up to date. BEWARE of messages making it onto the List with a single URL. NEVER follow the link. It's usually from an infected source! > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to STAFFORDSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone, I am once again trying to knock down my frustrating brick wall with regards to my 2 x gt. Grandparents Daniel Bassett and Catherine Williams and would be most grateful for any help or suggestions. Daniel was born in Llanelli, Carmarthenshire c 1819 and Catherine in Breckonshire c1817 - Daniel's father was also Daniel and Catherine's father was David. They were married St. Cadoc's Church, Trevethin, Mon. 21/112/1839 - I have no records relating to their mothers - They were certainly still in Wales 1841 and 1851 census, along with their children, however I have tried many times to find them on the 1861 census but have had no luck at all . I think that they were still in the same area in 1861, because in 1866 their daughter Mary who was then aged 19 or 20 had a child James (no father given on the birth certificate recorded in Abersychan, Trevethin, Pontypool) in 1866 and is recorded on the 1871 census as their son instead of grandson (he died in 1878) because they do seem to be a very close knit family (their eldest daughter Elizabeth had married in 1864) they all appear to have moved together to Stoke on Trent area as they are all recorded on the subsequent census records with the exception of Catherine who died in 1889 and Daniel who did not die until 1895 and he is my other brick wall as I can't find him on the 1891 census. I have posted this request on previous occasions but I know that sometimes brick walls just come tumbling down. Thank you - Lilian

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A very special thank you to Jeff and Jan for their special efforts in helping me with the family puzzle. It is people like you that makes family research such a wonderful, exciting and occasionally rewarding hobby. Thanks, Ted