Just to muddy the waters - sorry for pun - looking through Goytre & Llanover registers for James BDMs I have come across several female Waters around the time Dawn of Tasmania is searching for Sarah Waters of Abergavenny. May be worth widening the search. Happy hunting. Cheers Luned in Tasmania

I have been trying to track down some information about Coedkernew especially the above for some time now. My grandfather was listed on the 1911 census as being a servant at the Rectory there, but I also have a photograph of him at a confirmation and I believe there is a bishop in the photo who could have been the Bishop of Llandaff. According to Kelly's Directory in 1901 there was a mission school there also. I would like to know if anyone can tell me anything about the mission school, the rectory and church and point me to a photograph of the Bishop of Llandaff. I have trawled the internet in vain and found nothing of any value only current house prices! Many thanks for any help. Lesley

Western Mail Friday May 28th 1926. In fining Charles Robert CARTER 35, £5, or one month's imprisonment, at Cardiff on Thursday the Presiding Magistrate (Lieut-col, A.P. CAREY-THOMAS, T.D.) observed that the man had "behaved most brutally" towards a police-constable. Pontypridd Y.M.C.A. on Thursdsay organised a walking match for unemployed married miners. The route, from the Y.M.C.A. along tramlines to Broadway, Treforest, by Glyntaff Church to the Cottage Hospital, along Hospital-road to Common-road, proceeding to Merthyr-road, then to Norton Bridge and back to the Y.M.C.A., was lined with people. 1st. James MERRITT.- 2nd.- George SANDFORD.- 3rd.- Joseph DAWKINS, 4th- T. ASHCROFT, 5th, R. GARDNER. Richard BROWN, a pitman, of Plantation-square, Troedyrhiw, hearing that a chicken was unable to escape from a disused local pit, volunteered to go to its aid and lowered himself by means of a rope. The chicken, which had been confined for six days and had been kept alive meantime by odd scraps of food thrown to it by children and others, was found perched on a projecting stone 160 ft. below. Alongside were three eggs which it had laid during its imprisonment. Exhausted by the exertion entailed by his rescue effort and the fowl air encountered down the shaft during the two hours odd he was down there, BROWN experienced much difficulty in making an ascent, but eventually was hauled safely back to the surface, together with the hen  and its precious eggs. Mr. David REES (coroner), assisted by a jury, conducted an inquiry at Penrhiwfer on Thursday into the death of Mrs. Mary BULLOCK 56, of 8, Church-terrace, who was knocked down by a motor-car at Penrhiwfer on May 22, and died at the Porth Hospital last Monday. Ezra DAVIES and Frank SAINT, said the woman seemed to hesitate in front of the car, which was going at a very slow speed. SAINT added that he did not think she saw the car at all. Charles BULLOCK, husband, said his wife was very deaf, and the  driver of the car, John HENDERSON, Talycelyn-road, Penygraig, said the woman walked with a sideways motion in front of the car just as he was on her. The jury returned a verdict "Accidental death" and exonerated the driver from all blame. David Thomas LEWIS, a young man, was fined £5 and costs or a month's imprisonment at Cardiff on Thursday for driving a motor-car reclessly in Corbett-road on April 8th. MR. Fred CROCKFORD, engineer, of King Edwards-road, Swansea, said as he was driving a motor-van over Corbertt-road crossing defendant came on his wrong side of the road from Colum-road at 25 to 30 miles an hour and ran into the van he (witness) was driving, swinging it around and damaging it. Defendant said he was driving at about ten miles an hour and sounded the horn when approaching the corner. Instead of his running into the van the van ran into him. William CRIDDELL, a young man, of 35, Kathleen-street, Barry, one of the mourners walking in a funeral procession in Broad-street, Barry, on Thursday, was knocked down by a motor-car. The vehicle apparently skidded on the wet surface of the road and the procession was temporarily stopped. The injured man was taken to the Barry Town Accident Hospital suffering from abrasioins and bruises to the hands and legs. John Patrick

Western Mail Friday May 23rd 1926. Welcome to List members of DYFED. Must apoligise again for no number to the last News Item- It is 252. After 46 years' service on the Great Western Railway at Cardiff Mr. Chris. JONES, outside represenative of the passenger department, is this week retiring under the superannuation scheme. Mr. JONES, who is a native of Llanelly, the son of the late Mr. Henry JONES (at one time examining officer in the Customs at Cardiff), joined the G.W.R. clerical staff in 1880. The office of outside representative, which he has occupied during the past twelve years, has brought him into daily contact with tradespeople and others, his unfailing good nature and tact enabling him to discharge the duties with every satisfaction. Members of the Cardiff Choral Society will remember Mr. JONES as a chorister when Mr. D.C. DAVIES was conductor and Mr. T.H. MALLETT secretary, and for five years he was organist at the old Roath-road, Congregational Church. As a member of the Roath Park Bowling Club Mr. JONES has played regularly in the club's matches for several years. He married, in 1892, Miss HARRIES, of City-road, and they have three children, on of whom (Mr. L. Griffith JONES, now of Manchester) was in the Cardiff Pals during the war. Recent police changes in the Afan Valley, Port Talbot, include the appointment of an inspector for the Afan Valley for the first time. The first officer is Inspector Alfred WILLIAMS, who came to the district from Maesteg and Bridgend. He is stationed at Blaengwynfi, and was welcomed at Port Talbot court by the mayor (Alderman Hopkin JONES). Mr. George Fenton LAMBERT, of Elmbank, Park-street, Bridgend, retired architect and surveyor, a former member of the Bridgend Council, who died on February 13, aged 83 years, left estate of the gross value of £986, with net personalty £939. Probate of the will has been granted to his widow, Mrs. Elizabeth LAMBERT. Miss Julia Mary CLARK, of Vine Cottage, Usk, who died on February 27, aged 83 years, daughter of the late Mr. James Henry CLARK, the originator and proprietor of the old "County Observer," left estate of the gross value of £878, with net personalty £852. Probate of the will has been granted to her sister, Miss Eliza Blanche CLARK, of the same place. Edward EDWARDS, a motor-cyclist, of Dumfries-place, Newprt, and Charles ABBOTT, his pillion passenger, had a narrow escape on Cardiff-road on Thursday. They were passing a motor-lorry at a point where road-widening operations are in progress when the motor-cycle slipped and both men were thrown. A wheel of the lorry passed over and wrecked the motor-cycle. ABBOTT sustained a cut on the head and received attention at the Royal Gwent Hospital. Walter RICHARDSON, aged twelve months, whose parents reside at 66, Shaftesbury-street, Newport, died at the Royal Gwent Hospital on Thursday from scalds and shock, caused by the upsetting of a tea-pot. News was received in Cardiff on Thursday evening of the death by drowning of Mr. Arthur J. HOWELL 27, only son of  Mr.and Mrs. Robert HOWELL, of 29, Colchester-avenue, Penylan, Cardiff. Mr. HOWELL left Cardiff on Saturday last for a fortnight's holiday, and proceeded to Salisbury. From there he went to Brockenhurst, and then to Bournemouth. On Thursday afternoon he took a canoe for a trip on the River Stour at Christchurch. The canoe overturned, and mr. HOWELL, who could not swim, was thrown into the water and drowned. The body was recovered almost immediately. Mr. HOWELL was chief clerk in the offices of the United British Insurance Company, Cardiff, and was a prominent figure in the work of St. Edward's Church and the local Boys' Brigade and Scout movement. His father, Mr. Robert HOWELL, left Cardiff on Thursday to attend the inquest at Bournemouth. WELSH WEDDINGS. The marriage was solemnised at the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes, Mountain Ash, on Thursday of Councillor Joseph KEATING, son of the late Mr. and Mrs. Cornelius KEATING, Cardiff-road, Mountain Ash, to Miss C.A. HERBERT, younger daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. W. Lloyd HERBERT, Sunny Bank, Mountain Ash. The Rev. Father L. MOONEY officiated. The bride was given away by her brother, Mr. Herbert HERBERT. The bride was attended by the Rev. and Mrs. D.J. Watts LEWIS, M.A., her brother-in-law and sister, of St. Matthew's Vicarage, Pontypridd, and Miss E.M. JONES. The best man was Mr. Emrys LLOYD, solicitor, Barry Dock. The death has taken place of Mr. Edward REES, Plymouth House, Llantwit Major. It was only on Friday last that his wife was buried at Llantwit Major Church. Mr. REES was well known throughout the Vale of Glamorgan, having come from Llangynwyd about 35 years ago. He was the oldest member of the Llangeinor Hunt, and a member of the Vale of Glamorgan Agricultural Society. He leaves a son, Mr. Morgan REES, and a daughter Mrs. DAVIES, wife of Dr. DAVIES, Ynyshir. The funeral is to take place tomorrow (Saturday) at Llantwit Major Church. Mr. Peter THORNE, a well-known building contractor, has died at his residence, 82, Windsor-road, Penarth, after a short illness. Mr. THORNE, who came to Cardiff from Devonshire nearly 60 years ago, built up an extensive business as building contractor. Mr. THORNE was an octogenarian, and leaves a widow and four sons, and two daughters. The funeral will take place tomorrow (Saturday) at St. Augustine's Church, Penarth. John Patrick

DAVID (Adelaide, Sth Australia) Thank you again, David, for your much-needed, much-appreciated assistance. I think you have spared me any further wasted time pursuing Abergavenny. My information came from Sarah's Death Certificate and, we all (certainly in Australia) know how notoriously unreliable that information can be! I believe I must return my search to Brecon, where she was definitely living prior to her trial there. Coincidentally, I found a perfect fit for her there - but, also WALTERS! Kind regards - Dawn.

Dawn - looking a little further afield, there was a Sarah WALTERS (note the L) daughter of John and Elisabeth WALTERS, baptised at Goldcliff on 8th May, 1814. Goldcliff is on the banks of the Severn, c29 miles from Abergavenny. Regards.....David

----- Original Message ----- From: "D & H Stanton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [MON] Abergavenny Parish Registers > Thanks for advice and assistance David (Adelaide) and Lyn (Brisbane). > > Does the Mike Johns Transcripts cover ALL Parishes for Abergavenny > Baptisms 1813 - 16? Mike's transcripts are of St Mary's Priory Church, which was THE Abergavenny Parish Church of The Church in Wales. There are some non-conformist churches and chapels listed on Hugh Wallis's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyMonmouth.htm#A including Roman Catholic, Independent, Baptist and Wesleyan. The only WATERS listed here is an Edwin, a Wesleyan baptism on 28 October, 1832, son of John WATERS and Elizabeth JONES. David Steel Adelaide, South Australia

There are certainly cases in Glamorgan of families who varied between WALTERS and WATERS over time. See if you can find any evidence that the Sarah WALTERS had a different career from that of Sarah WATERS. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & H Stanton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:59 AM Subject: Re: [MON] Abergavenny Parish Registers. > DAVID (Adelaide, Sth Australia) > > Thank you again, David, for your much-needed, much-appreciated assistance. > I think you have spared me any further wasted time pursuing Abergavenny. > My information came from Sarah's Death Certificate and, we all (certainly > in Australia) know how notoriously unreliable that information can be! I > believe I must return my search to Brecon, where she was definitely living > prior to her trial there. Coincidentally, I found a perfect fit for her > there - but, also WALTERS! > > Kind regards - Dawn.

Western Mail Friday May 28th 1926. One Penny. FAMILY ANNOUNCEMENTS. BIRTHS. DAVIES.- On May 27th, to Mr.and Mrs. H.V. DAVIES, The Single, Ebbw Vale, a son. MARRIAGES. KEATING - HERBERT.- On May 27th, At Our Lady's Church, Mountain Ash, by the Rev.Father MOONEY, Joseph KEATING, of Mountain Ash, to Annie youngest daughter of the late William Lloyd HERBERT, Sunny Bank, Mountain Ash. DEATHS. BOWEN.- On May 26th at Highmead, Victoria-avenue, Porthcawl, Charles Thomas BOWEN, dearly-loved husband of Emily Maud BOWEN. Service at All Saints' Church on Saturday at Three. Interment at Newton later. Requiem at Eight o'clock on Saturday morning All Saints. JONES.- On May 25th, at Belgravia, Aberayron. David, thge beloved brother of Rev. William JONES, Rector of Llansoy, aged 60 years. Interment at Gwnnws on Saturday. JONES.- May 26th, at Rockingham, Briton Ferry, Margaret, the beloved wife of James JONES. Funeral Monday;  G.O. KERNICK.- May 24th, at Singapore, result of motor accident. Henry William, much loved husband of Constance KERNICK, Harbour House, Porthcawl. MORGAN.- On May 21st, at 50, North Parade, Aberystwyth, James MORGAN, aged 86, for over 50 years a faithful friend of the Gwilym JAMES family. MORGAN.- At 15, Cymmer-road, Caerau, on May 26, 1926 Margaret, the beloved wife of the Rev. J. Hopkin MORGAN. Funeral Monday, by road to Ebbw Vale Cemetery, arriving 3.30, leaving Caerau Twelve Noon;  G.O. OLIVER.- May 26th, at 26,Seymour-street, Aberdare, William OLIVER, beloved husband of Edith OLIVER, aged 49. Funeral Monday. Three p.m.; G. O. N. F. REES.- Edward, beloved husband of the late Jennett REES, of Plymouth House, Llantwit Major, died May 26. Funeral Saturday, 3.30, Llantwit Major Churchyard; G. O. THOMAS.- On May 26th, at Ton-Mawr-avenure, Blaenavon., Annie, daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs William THOMAS, Blaenavon.- Deeply mourned by her Brothers and Sisters. Funeral private.  N.F. THORNE.- On May 26, at 124, Windsor-road, Penarth, POeter THORNE, Builder, aged 82 years. Funeral Saturday, 11.30 for St. Augustine's Church;  G.O. ACKNOWLEDGMENTS. STEPHENSON.- The Sisters of the late R. STEPHENSON wish to thank all friends for their kindness and floral tributes. IN MEMORIAM. CHRISTOPHER.- In Loving and Affectionate Remembrance of my darling son Harold, who died on May 28th, 1924.- Ever remembered by his sorrowing Mother, Brothers, and Sisters./short verse. HUTCHINS.- In Ever-loving Memory of Victor HUTCHINS, son of John and Pollie HUTCHINS, Bryngwyn, Llanharan, who died May 28th 1913. JONES.- In Loving Memory of David, beloved son of Mr. and Mrs. JONES, Bedlinog Inn, Bedlinog, who died at Aberdare Hospital Masy 28th, 1924.- Sadly missed by his sorrowing Mother, Father, Sisters, and Brother. JONES.- In Loving Memory of our dear brother, David, who died May 28th, 1924.- Fondly remembered by Lil and Jack. LEIGH.- In Tenderest Memory of Mrs. LEIGH, Llansannor, who entered into the higher life May 28th 1925.- Lovingly remembered at Noddfa, Trelewis. MANDRY.- On May 28th, 1923. Raymond Windsor, the beloved son of William and Gwenllian MANDRY, Royal Hotel, Pontycymmer. PIGGOTT.- In Loving Memory of my dear son, Percy PIGGOTT, who died May 28th, 1918. From Brothers and Sister.- Ever in Mother's thoughts. PROSSER.- In Fondest Memory of my dear Father, who passed away at Gurnos Cottage May 28th, 1925.-Lizzie.  And the same from Gwen and Ben. John Patrick

Sorry should have been Number  Two-Hundred fiftytwo. ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: J GRIFFITHS <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Monday, 25 January, 2010 15:01:46 Subject: [GLA] News Items APRIL 1st to JUNE 30th 1926. Number Two-Hundred fiftyone Western Mail Thursday May 27th 1926. WELSH WEDDINGS. NOBLE - WILLIAMS. The wedding has taken place at Albany-road Baptist Church, Cardiff, of Mr. Arthur J. NOBLE, second son of Mr. W.B. NOBLE, secretary of the National Boot Trades Federation, and Miss Eunice May WILLIAMS, third daughter of Mr. John WILLIAMS, Cameron-street, Splott. The bride was attired in a gown of white satin trimmed with pearls with over-skirt of silver lace, and wore a net veil and wreath of orange blossom. The bridemaids were the Misses Edith, Rosie, and Emily WILLIAMS, (sisters of the bride), the Misses Rosie and Ivy NOBLE (sisters of the bridegroom), and Miss Sybil HARMER (the bride's cousin). The best man was Mr. Walter W. NOBLE and the groomsmen Messrs. Cecil A. NOBLE and Baden WILLIAMS, brothers of the bride and bridegroom. The Rev. J. Sansam ILES officiated. The reception was held at the St. Saviour's Institute, Splott. The honeymoon is being spent in Devon. JONES - JOHNSON. The wedding has taken place at Walters-road Congregational Church, Swansea, of Mr. M.E. Clifford JONES, youngest son of  Mr. and Mrs. Owen JONES, of Dark Gate, Carmarthen, and Miss Dilys JOHNSON, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.T. JOHNSON, of Glanbrydan, Uplands , Swansea. The Rev. Penry EVANS officiated. The bride wore a dress of white crepe satin, adorned with hand-made flowers and diamante, with a bridal veil trimmed with orange blossoms. She was attended by Miss Gwyneth LLEWELLYN, Shrewsbury (a friend) and the Misses Ena MEESON, Builth and Glenys VAUGHAN-SAMUEL, Port Talbot (cousins). The best man was the bridegroom's brother, Mr. J. Rowland JONES, Carmarthen, and Mr. W.T. POWELL, Bristol, Mr. VAUGHAN-SAMUEL, Port Talbot, and Mr. W.A. JOHNSON (the bride's brother) acted as groomsmen. After the ceremony a reception was held at the Baltic Lounge. The honeymoon is being spent at Torquay. THOMAS - SCOURFIELD. The wedding was solemnised at Henllan Congregational Church, Whitland, on Wednesday of Mr. William Collier THOMAS, of Highgate, Llanerchymedd, Anglesey, only son of Mr. Owen THOMAS, M.R.C.V.S., Llanerchymedd, and Miss Annie S. SCOURFIELD, youngest daughter of Mr. John SCOURFIELD, Blaenwernddu, Whitland. The Rev. William THOMAS, of Llanboidy, officiated, assisted by the Rev. Gwilym HIGGS, B.A., Whitland. The bride was attended by her cousin, Miss Muriel EVANS, and the Misses Nancy and Nesta JENKINS (nieces of the bride) were flower girls. Mr. J.C.V. WILLIAMS, Carmarthen, was best man. After a reception at Blaenwernddu, Mr. and Mrs. W.C. THOMAS left for Torquay for the honeymoon. GOLDEN WEDDING.- Coming Celebrations at Manorbier. Mr.and Mrs. Richard WHITE, of Warren Farm, Warren-road, Guildford, are celebrating their Golden Wedding at Westmoor, Manorbier, Pembrokeshire, at Mrs WHITE'S old home. They were married at Manorbier Church on June 1. 1876, and went to Guildford in 1889. Mr and Mrs WHITE have four sons, six daughters, and nine grandchildren. Owing to the sudden death of Mrs. WHITE'S youngest brother the celebrations will be of a quiet nature. Head and Shoulder photograph of  Mr. John Dillwyn LLEWELLYN, a Great Western Railway signalman, who has just received the degree of B.Sc. of the London University. Forty-eight years of age, he is self taught, and lives at Port Talbot. (Fox Photos). Mr. Arthur E. 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Western Mail Thursday May 27th 1926. Nine colliers, who took possession of a small colliery at Abertillery, were fined 10s. each and £2. each costs, with the alternative of a month's imprisonment, at Abertillery on Wednesday. The men, Albert BULLOCK 23, George BROOKS 36, Albert BROOKS 26, Frederick BROOKS, 30, Stanley GREENAWAY 20, Elijah GREENAWAY 16, Richard GOULDING 18, William CROSS 20, and Reginald BRAIN, 24 were brought up on remand and charged with stealing from the Redash Colliery coal valued at £5 on May 17, Mr. Horace S. LYNE prosecuted. Police-constable DAVIES said that with other constables at 11.30 p.m. he saw between 30 and 40 men carrying sacks and mandrills into the colliery. He sent for reinforcements, and about two a.m. BULLOCK and another man came out of the level each carrying a sack of coal. He caught Bullock, but others got away and ran into a level. Police-sergeant JONES and other constables entered the level, and saw a number of men cutting coal from the face. They scattered in all directions, but witness and Police-constable BENNETT chased the defendants, with the exception of BULLOCK, into an old working. In addition to the 62 bags of coal, six mandrills were found in the level, one of which was claimed by Frederick BROOKS. Charles Henry HAM, part proprietor, said a tram of coal had been brought to the mouth and carried away. The roof had been left in a very unsafe condition and the value of the coal he saw in 62 bags was about £5, but the total amount of coal taken away was considerably more. He estimated the damage at about £20. The magistrates decided to treat the case as one of larceny and dealt with it there instead of sending the men for trial. OBITUARY. Mr. George JENKINS, J.P., of Abersychan, one of the founders of the Eastern Valley District of the South Wales Miners' Federation, and secretary of the Llanerch and Blaenserchan Lodges since their foundation 27 years ago, died on Wednesday at the Pontypool and District Hospital, of which he was the founder, and of which he had been a vice-president since its erection in 1904. Mr. JENKINS was born at Littledean in 1851. In 1876 he became a colporteur evangelist under the late Mr. C.H. SPURGEON, and after four years of mission work in Bristol was attracted to Pontypool. Since 1891 Mr. JENKINS has been a checkweighman at Llanerch Colliery. He was the first secretary of the Eastern Valley District of the South Wales Miners' Federation and on his retirement in 1915 was presented with a gold watch. Last year he received an illuminated address in appreciation of his 26 years' service as lodge secretary. Mr. JENKINS was a member of the old Trevithin School Board, and since it was disbanded in 1902 of the Eastern Valley group of school managers. There are four surviving children. The death has taken place at St. Helen's, Jersey, of David WILLIAMS, 56, son of Mrs. Mary WILLIAMS, of 42, Dumfries-street, Treorky. Mr. WILLIAMS was formerly manager of the Ferndale Workmen's-hall, Rhondda Fach, and left for Jersey ten years ago to take up the position of manager at the Alhambra Theatre. The death occurred on Wednesday of Mrs. Mary NASH, Fleur-de-Lis, widow of the late Mr. W. NASH, and mother of Mr. W.S. NASH, J.P., O.B.E. She was the oldest inhabitant in the town. Mrs. NASH went to live at Fleur-de-Lis in 1863. The funeral of Mrs. MACKADAM, who from 1868 to 1902 was the headmistress of St. Mary's Infants' School, Cardiff, took place at Cardiff Cemetery after a service, which was largely attended at St. Dyfrig's Church. Her husband who predecesed her, was headmaster of St. Mary's Boys' School for over forty years. Bath and West Show- awards Deane DRUMMOND Cup for best Gloucsetershire Old Spot Boar: F.H. TURNBULL, Llantwit Major, "Llantwit Baron", who also won Silver medal for Aberdeen Angus Cow or heifer in milk "Black Bana" Edward  HIGGS, aged 19, of 6, Paget-place, Penarth, collided with a motor-car while riding his motor-cycle at Dinas Powis on Wednesday night received a compound fracture of the leg. John Patrick

Hi Elvery I checked the Abergavenny Primitive Methodist baptisms 1843-1896 and there was no Robert Nelmes but there was a couple James and Emma Nelmes having children baptised in the 1870s. Perhaps James is a relative and this information will be of use later. Contact me whenever you want more details. Regards Lyn In Brisbane Oz. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elvery Chambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: [MON] Robert Nelmes >I have found a death for Robert NELMES in June quarter 1915 age 67yrs in >Abergavenny. I haven't been able to get any other information about him. >Can anyone help please? > Elvery Chambers > Perth West Australia >

Thanks for advice and assistance David (Adelaide) and Lyn (Brisbane). Does the Mike Johns Transcripts cover ALL Parishes for Abergavenny Baptisms 1813 - 16? Lyn - very helpful to know that no family named Waters, there in 1840's; kind of you to check for me. Thanks for help, mates - have a good day, tomorrow. Kind regards, Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)

Hi Dawn A bit later than you want but for curiosity's sake that there might be family who stayed I have Abergavenny Primitive Methodist 1843-1896. No entries for the surname Waters at all. Regards Lyn In Brisbane Oz. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of D & H Stanton Sent: Monday, 25 January 2010 2:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MON] Abergavenny Parish Registers Hello Listers, from 'Down Under' Could some kind person please give me step by step directions, to locate Abergavenny Parish Registers (including Non-conformist). I am trying to verify the birth/baptism of my 3xGrt.Grandmother - Sarah WATERS, born about 1814 - 1816, Father: John WATERS. Sarah was living in Brecon when she was sentenced to transportation for 7yrs; however, her husband declared on her Death Certificate in Australia in 1853, that she was born in Abergavenny.IGI has no record of her birth. Any assistance would be sincerely appreciated. Kind regards, Dawn Stanton (Tasmania) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elvery wrote - I have found a death for Robert NELMES in June quarter 1915 age 67yrs in Abergavenny. I haven't been able to get any other information about him. Can anyone help please? A tricky one: he should have been born in 1848, but no Robert listed. I had a quick trawl through the censuses and from 1851-1881 there is a Robert F Nelmes b 1846 in Thornbury Gloucestershire popping up in various locations - he's not on 1891-1911 and there is a 1891 death for a Robert Fitzharding Nelmes in Lancashire. Seems a bit far from his usual stomping ground, but he was a commercial traveller. And assuming this is the same chap, he didn't die in 1915! The other option is that his name wasn't really Robert - that was just what he went by, or a second name that didn't make it onto the birth registration? . Nelmes is a Gloucestershire name, but many did settle in South Wales. These are males with only one given name in the time frame - Abergavenny was in the Pontypool registration district Births Jun 1847 Nelmes Daniel Pontypool 26, 181 Births Mar 1848 NELMES Walter Thornbury 11,468 Births Dec 1848 Nelmes Enoch Pontypool 26, 147 Nelmes William Monmouth 26, 78 Births Jun 1849 NELMES George Thornbury 11, 504 In 1911 George is the only male Nelmes in Monmouthshire NELMES, George Head Married M 62 1849 Stationary Boiler Fireman born Gloucestershire Thornbury NELMES, Elizabeth Wife Married 26 years F 67 1844 born Merthyr Glam At 8 Chapel Lane Pontypool. No children born to this couple Do you have the death certificate for Robert? It may provide further clues. You could also try floating a query here - http://www.forest-of-dean.net/ Lots of information on Gloucestershire families. TTFN Joss

Hello Elvery, I was intrigued by the name Nelmes as I once knew someone of that surname in the county of Monmouthshire so I had a look around for your Robert. There is a birth for a Robert Nelmes registered in the September quarter of 1843 at Chepstow, Mon. Also, a Robert Nelmes and parents appear on the 1851 Census living in Gloucestershire Parents appear again on the 1861 but Robert has disappeared by then and he doesn't seem to be on any later censuses. Hope this helps, Judith - Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elvery Chambers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: [MON] Robert Nelmes >I have found a death for Robert NELMES in June quarter 1915 age 67yrs in >Abergavenny. I haven't been able to get any other information about him. >Can anyone help please? > Elvery Chambers > Perth West Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Listers, from 'Down Under' Could some kind person please give me step by step directions, to locate Abergavenny Parish Registers (including Non-conformist). I am trying to verify the birth/baptism of my 3xGrt.Grandmother - Sarah WATERS, born about 1814 - 1816, Father: John WATERS. Sarah was living in Brecon when she was sentenced to transportation for 7yrs; however, her husband declared on her Death Certificate in Australia in 1853, that she was born in Abergavenny.IGI has no record of her birth. Any assistance would be sincerely appreciated. Kind regards, Dawn Stanton (Tasmania)

Western Mail Thursday May 27th 1926. WELSH WEDDINGS. NOBLE - WILLIAMS. The wedding has taken place at Albany-road Baptist Church, Cardiff, of Mr. Arthur J. NOBLE, second son of Mr. W.B. NOBLE, secretary of the National Boot Trades Federation, and Miss Eunice May WILLIAMS, third daughter of Mr. John WILLIAMS, Cameron-street, Splott. The bride was attired in a gown of white satin trimmed with pearls with over-skirt of silver lace, and wore a net veil and wreath of orange blossom. The bridemaids were the Misses Edith, Rosie, and Emily WILLIAMS, (sisters of the bride), the Misses Rosie and Ivy NOBLE (sisters of the bridegroom), and Miss Sybil HARMER (the bride's cousin). The best man was Mr. Walter W. NOBLE and the groomsmen Messrs. Cecil A. NOBLE and Baden WILLIAMS, brothers of the bride and bridegroom. The Rev. J. Sansam ILES officiated. The reception was held at the St. Saviour's Institute, Splott. The honeymoon is being spent in Devon. JONES - JOHNSON. The wedding has taken place at Walters-road Congregational Church, Swansea, of Mr. M.E. Clifford JONES, youngest son of  Mr. and Mrs. Owen JONES, of Dark Gate, Carmarthen, and Miss Dilys JOHNSON, only daughter of Mr. and Mrs. W.T. JOHNSON, of Glanbrydan, Uplands , Swansea. The Rev. Penry EVANS officiated. The bride wore a dress of white crepe satin, adorned with hand-made flowers and diamante, with a bridal veil trimmed with orange blossoms. She was attended by Miss Gwyneth LLEWELLYN, Shrewsbury (a friend) and the Misses Ena MEESON, Builth and Glenys VAUGHAN-SAMUEL, Port Talbot (cousins). The best man was the bridegroom's brother, Mr. J. Rowland JONES, Carmarthen, and Mr. W.T. POWELL, Bristol, Mr. VAUGHAN-SAMUEL, Port Talbot, and Mr. W.A. JOHNSON (the bride's brother) acted as groomsmen. After the ceremony a reception was held at the Baltic Lounge. The honeymoon is being spent at Torquay. THOMAS - SCOURFIELD. The wedding was solemnised at Henllan Congregational Church, Whitland, on Wednesday of Mr. William Collier THOMAS, of Highgate, Llanerchymedd, Anglesey, only son of Mr. Owen THOMAS, M.R.C.V.S., Llanerchymedd, and Miss Annie S. SCOURFIELD, youngest daughter of Mr. John SCOURFIELD, Blaenwernddu, Whitland. The Rev. William THOMAS, of Llanboidy, officiated, assisted by the Rev. Gwilym HIGGS, B.A., Whitland. The bride was attended by her cousin, Miss Muriel EVANS, and the Misses Nancy and Nesta JENKINS (nieces of the bride) were flower girls. Mr. J.C.V. WILLIAMS, Carmarthen, was best man. After a reception at Blaenwernddu, Mr. and Mrs. W.C. THOMAS left for Torquay for the honeymoon. GOLDEN WEDDING.- Coming Celebrations at Manorbier. Mr.and Mrs. Richard WHITE, of Warren Farm, Warren-road, Guildford, are celebrating their Golden Wedding at Westmoor, Manorbier, Pembrokeshire, at Mrs WHITE'S old home. They were married at Manorbier Church on June 1. 1876, and went to Guildford in 1889. Mr and Mrs WHITE have four sons, six daughters, and nine grandchildren. Owing to the sudden death of Mrs. WHITE'S youngest brother the celebrations will be of a quiet nature. Head and Shoulder photograph of  Mr. John Dillwyn LLEWELLYN, a Great Western Railway signalman, who has just received the degree of B.Sc. of the London University. Forty-eight years of age, he is self taught, and lives at Port Talbot. (Fox Photos). Mr. Arthur E. HARRIS, 12, Cathedral-road, Cardiff, was successful at Liverpool Championship Dog Show, on Wednesday, with his Welsh terrier bitch " Take Care," and Welsh terrier dog "Hold Up" "Take Care" won two cups, the challenge certificate, four first prizes, and three special prizes, and has qualified as full champion, while "Hold Up" secured the reserve championship and four second prizes. Mr. HARRIS also won the brace class. Mr. T.H. HARRIS, Sennybridge, Breconshire, won the Welsh Terrier Dog Challenge Certificate, and Mr. Joseph HITCHINGS, Cwmaman, won the challenge certificate for wire-haired fox terriers and a number of challenge cups and first prizes. An old cottage reputed to have sheltered CROMWELL at Cwmbwrla, Swansea, has lost its thatched roof by a fire. It was occupied by two sisters, Mrs. Ann JONES and Miss GREY, who were able to escape uninjured. Neighbours and workmen formed a chain with buckets and extinguished the flames before the old place was quite destroyed. John Patrick

----- Original Message ----- From: "D & H Stanton" <[email protected]> > Hello Listers, from 'Down Under' > > Could some kind person please give me step by step directions, to locate > Abergavenny Parish Registers (including Non-conformist). > Mike John's transcriptions at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monfamilies/abergavennyprt.htm David Steel Adelaide, South Australia

Hello I have just sent for a birth Certificate myself and the address is COED GLAS COED GLAS LANE ABERGAVANNY PHONE NUMBER 01873735435 Regards Veneita Shropshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "D & H Stanton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:11 AM Subject: [MON] Abergavenny Parish Registers > Hello Listers, from 'Down Under' > > Could some kind person please give me step by step directions, to locate > Abergavenny Parish Registers (including Non-conformist). > > I am trying to verify the birth/baptism of my 3xGrt.Grandmother - Sarah > WATERS, born about 1814 - 1816, Father: John WATERS. > Sarah was living in Brecon when she was sentenced to transportation for > 7yrs; however, her husband declared on her Death Certificate in Australia > in 1853, that she was born in Abergavenny.IGI has no record of her birth. > Any assistance would be sincerely appre ciated. > Kind regards, > Dawn Stanton (Tasmania) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2644 - Release Date: 01/25/10 07:36:00