Hi Marlene, Dennis, and Group: I don't usually step in when "facts" are being discussed between two members on our list. But, this time around I feel I have to since Marlene has facts that can't be denied. And I don't want a flame war to start, of course! If so, anyone who starts it will hear from me! And, we should all be aware of old nicknames for people. Many had nothing to do with their real names. I'll have to find the web site that shows so many you wouldn't believe! Of course, we should know that Mollie/Molly was a favorite for those named Mary. Polly was another. We have to remember that families had nicknames for people that had nothing to do with their real names. What about Jence for Pearl? What about Bill for James? What about the other favorites of families like Junior, Frog, Skipper, and on and on. The important thing that I want to get across to you all is that documentation, if you have it, is the proof of the pudding. Another list owner only allows information put on her surname list if the person has REAL documentation. I'm not of that ilk. I feel that we all learn something from what has been posted, even if it's not totally true. However, if a person isn't able to produce REAL documentation, a person should not say that what they are posting is the truth. Another thing I'd like to bring up is the various spellings of MONCRIEF. Some spell it Muncrief along with other spellings. That doesn't mean that we aren't all connected somewhere back. Also, Creef if very acceptable. I don't want people to get into the spelling of the name they have as being the real one as we don't have time for that. I do know that my family who once owned the MONCRIEF Cemetery outside of Ninnekah, OK, spell the name MONCRIEF, even though gravestones show Muncrief. From their lips to my ears, the spelling should have been MONCRIEF. Who am I to argue with them, or, even want to. So, others with a different spelling of their MONCRIEF name need not get bent out of shape over the way MY family spells it. The Moncrief Cemetery will stay The Moncrief Cemetery in spelling on the net. So, I hope I haven't gone on too long about this as we do have some new members who might be reading and thinking "Is this another of those lists where people get out of control?" NO, IT ISN'T, yet. I'm not going to allow that! So, all, just take a deep breath and help keep this list active and interesting. Thank you. Sandi List owner