I've also seen that Ambrose Hats was Lucinda's father, but can't find proof. As far as Jordan George...he was a he, not a she, (there were more than one) but what I again *think...is that Lucinda's mother may have been a George...Rosamond George, who married Ambrose Hays, then John Carlton. The George, Winfrey and Carlton families were all in Russell Co. Ky together. I just can't prove a thing! Can not find him, but according to records Lucinda Janes parents were Ambrose Hays/Haze and Jordan George which sounds like a man name in Camden Co I do have Jourdan George son of Hezekiah George and Mary Jane Wilson born abt 1837 Russell, Ky thats all I have. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.