Marilyn. I am out the door to pick grapes of all things, but I have learned a lot since I first started. I might be able to help. Give me a few days to dig around my stuff. One of the battles was at Newtonia. I think the Pineville on can be honed in on if you give me a little time. Back to you as soon as I can. Carolyn (Kalama, WA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > Carolyn, > In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information > about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding > where > the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was > located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The > Cornell > University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is > one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is > no > such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of > Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is > closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as > Garden. > There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the > bushwhackers burned the courthouse. > > A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville > Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar > Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a > hill > near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has > been lost. > > Marilyn Carnell-Williams > [email protected] > See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of The Ellertsons > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > > Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything > you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the > same > > story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and > probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in > the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, > and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) > grandmother > singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the > family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed > that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me > she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I > could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the > day > > I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf > balls > > on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and > gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address > tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from > anyone, > > and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family > gravesite, > > lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing > their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but > the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William > and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the > stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. > Perhaps > > she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family > plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was > originally > opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that > eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and > growing > > in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the > time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that > precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, > grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or > someone > > about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a > confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if > you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a > result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also > became > > pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. > I > > have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit > he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous > military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater > share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and > they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works > better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes > approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results > than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the > technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora > and > > William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you > would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, > he > was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all > except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with > his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later > about > > the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon > you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place > around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History > classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people > on > > the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love > a > > challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I > think > > that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more > mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: > [email protected] Thanks again. ( > PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: MLCombs1978 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hello Carolyn, >> >> >> good to hear from you as well! >> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many >> letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have >> begin > >> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," >> and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and >> Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >> >> >> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >> LaDora >> met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because >> he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read >> that I will make a copy for you. >> >> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >> might >> be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, >> informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray >> and > >> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some >> pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. >> >> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >> Flemming >> 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go >> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. >> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >> >> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >> shine >> some light on your heritage! >> >> matthew >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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I know about the two battles of Newtonia. It is about 30 mile NE of Pineville in Newton Co. A very important site in the war & on its way to being a national battle site. The first battle was in 1862 & both sides were largely made up of Native American fighters. Interesting. A local artist has been commissioned to do a mural about that battle. Would appreciate any help. We were between Pea Ridge & Wilson's Creek & HQ for CSA Sterling Price for a time. J.O. Shelby was also here. An interesting array of characters. Marilyn Carnell-Williams [email protected] See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Ellertsons Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 11:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland Marilyn. I am out the door to pick grapes of all things, but I have learned a lot since I first started. I might be able to help. Give me a few days to dig around my stuff. One of the battles was at Newtonia. I think the Pineville on can be honed in on if you give me a little time. Back to you as soon as I can. Carolyn (Kalama, WA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > Carolyn, > In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific > information about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested > in finding where the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling > Price's HQ was located. I have read several accounts in the "Official > Records" (The Cornell > University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is > one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is > no > such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of > Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is > closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as > Garden. > There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the > bushwhackers burned the courthouse. > > A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville > Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big > Sugar Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was > found in a hill near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much > local history has been lost. > > Marilyn Carnell-Williams > [email protected] > See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of The Ellertsons > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > > Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have > anything you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I > heard the same > > story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and > probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and > sang in the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with > other voices, and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my > (maternal) grandmother singing to me before I went to sleep as a > child, so it must run in the family. I have been to the Fleming plot > at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed that Ladora was there also, and even > though the cemetery recorder told me she had been brought back from > Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I could find no stone for her > in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the day > > I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf > balls > > on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, > and gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and > address tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never > heard from anyone, > > and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family > gravesite, > > lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument > announcing their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure > they intended, but the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I > loved them. Both William and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" > are buried there, and the stones are the round pillow type. None for > Ladora that I could find. Perhaps > > she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the > family plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it > was originally opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most > cemeteries that eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just > kept growing and growing > > in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at > the time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of > that precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were > toppled over, grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the > historical society or someone > > about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was > a confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help > you, if you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war > bore" as a result of researching several of my ancestors' military > history. Also became > > pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern > relatives. > I > > have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what > unit he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and > miscellaneous military stuff etc., and the best places to search for > people. The greater share of military researchers are men, but we > women are catching up, and they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like > to think it actually works better, because women and men think > differently, so each sometimes approaches things in a different way > and one that might get better results than the others (at least that > time!) Particularly when it comes to the technical aspect of it. I > couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora and > > William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if > you would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can > tell, he was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of > William at all except for the aforementioned and one I found on the > internet of him with his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in > 1902. We can talk later about > > the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty > soon you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is > taking place around them, and we get just enough civil war history in > American History classes to make us recognize some of what is going > on. Some of the people on > > the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They > love > a > > challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I > think > > that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more > mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: > [email protected] Thanks again. ( > PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: MLCombs1978 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.cou >> n >> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hello Carolyn, >> >> >> good to hear from you as well! >> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote >> many letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I >> have begin > >> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones >> all," and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. >> Carol and Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >> >> >> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >> LaDora met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to >> him because he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place >> where I read that I will make a copy for you. >> >> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >> might be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray >> Combs, informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures >> of Murray and > >> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with >> some pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry >> Carroll. >> >> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >> Flemming 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go >> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. >> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >> >> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >> shine some light on your heritage! >> >> matthew >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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