Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the same story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) grandmother singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the day I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf balls on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from anyone, and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family gravesite, lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. Perhaps she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was originally opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and growing in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or someone about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also became pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. I have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora and William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, he was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later about the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people on the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love a challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I think that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: [email protected] Thanks again. ( PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: MLCombs1978 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hello Carolyn, > > > good to hear from you as well! > Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many > letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have begin > in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her > death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," > and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and > Nell are also mentioned in some letters. > > > One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read LaDora > met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because > he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read > that I will make a copy for you. > > I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you might > be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, > informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray and > possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some > pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. > > Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. Flemming > 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." > I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go > through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. > Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? > > It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to shine > some light on your heritage! > > matthew > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Carolyn, In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding where the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The Cornell University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is no such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as Garden. There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the bushwhackers burned the courthouse. A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a hill near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has been lost. Marilyn Carnell-Williams [email protected] See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Ellertsons Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the same story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) grandmother singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the day I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf balls on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from anyone, and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family gravesite, lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. Perhaps she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was originally opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and growing in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or someone about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also became pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. I have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora and William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, he was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later about the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people on the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love a challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I think that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: [email protected] Thanks again. ( PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: MLCombs1978 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun > ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Hello Carolyn, > > > good to hear from you as well! > Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many > letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have begin > in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her > death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," > and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and > Nell are also mentioned in some letters. > > > One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read > LaDora > met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because > he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read > that I will make a copy for you. > > I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you > might > be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, > informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray and > possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some > pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. > > Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. > Flemming > 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." > I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go > through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. > Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? > > It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to > shine > some light on your heritage! > > matthew > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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