Carolyn, Nice to see your name pop up. Aunt Pauline Carnell passed away a couple of years ago. She was 103. Yes, she did know a lot of local history. Sounds like the article has been found at the library. Marilyn Carnell-Williams [email protected] See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Ellertsons Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:23 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams Is it safe to assume you have corresponded with Marilyn Carnell Williams of McDonald County board? She has an aunt Pauline that is in her 80's if still alive. I haven't communicated with her for some time, but Marilyn's Aunt Pauline does genealogy the old way, and knows a bunch of stuff! Carolyn (Kalama, WA) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:50 PM Subject: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: JoyceSnell64 > Surnames: Dalton, Williams > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun > ties.mcdonald/2873/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Pauline was married to my uncle, Clem Williams. She was struck and > killed > by a car on Sept 24, 1949. Am hoping to find a newspaper article about > this fatal accident. No one from RAOGK does newspaper/obit lookup for > McDonald Co. Accident happened at or near Anderson, MO on Highway 71. > Not even certain if this highway is there today . . . ??? Please contact > me with suggestions or perhaps an offer to lookup. Thanks. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To contact the MOMCDONA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MOMCDONA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.67/2326 - Release Date: 08/25/09 18:07:00 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the MOMCDONA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the MOMCDONA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Marilyn! Nice to hear from you also! I would have given anything to have sat down and had a cup of coffee with your Aunt Pauline. She sounded like such a gem. One by one we lose them, and now we're the next generation. I'm 65 now, and my biological clock is ticking faster than ever with regard to my family history. I've been doing a few things and had great luck with some other lines, but the Flemings still elude me past what we pretty much already have. Sometime when you're bored, maybe you could help me find a Will, or some probate record of my great grandfather, William Henry Fleming. You know, he spent the last six months of his life at his daughter's home in Collinsville, Oklahoma, and his second wife LaDora died there as well. Both were taken back to be buried in Neosho IOOF Cemetery, but Oklahoma has no death certificate for William. Just bizarre. I was able to get a death certificate for LaDora (not my great grandmother, who was William's first wife, Mary Emma Hamlin, who died in Texas at a young age). In any case, although Retha and you have been so wonderful to me and helped me so much, I have yet to be able to move past William in that line. It's as though his parents dropped off the face of the earth. There is even other William Henry Fleming/Flemmings, but they are not the right one, so I've tried a couple of wild goose chases in surrounding states. I have tried Texas too, as there's a bunch of them there, and that is where William enlisted for the civil war, according to his obit, but to be truthful, the people there have not been much help. One lady at the genealogical society in Hood County, where my grandfather was born (William's son by Mary Hamlin) told me (upon hearing what I DID have) that I probably had enough about him for my family history on him. I think she was probably trying to make me feel like I had accomplished SOMETHING, but it didn't help me with my brick wall a bit. I would even take a death certificate for his brother James ("Uncle Jim") who was married to Mary Meador (thank you Retha!), but although I have the obit, I don't have the latter, which could conceivably show who his parents were. He died in Oklahoma but was also taken back to Missouri for burial (Anderson).I would love to visit you all again, knowing what I know now! My husband had a stroke in 2005, and subsequently a back operation that was scheduled before he had it (they would then not touch him for 9 months), and the fusion of a bone in his foot, so we have had lots of recovery to deal with in our lives. Throw in work, animal chores, grandkids, and everything else, and we never get off the treadmill. I have also lost several extended family members and lifelong friends this past year, and lost my sister Sara Kathleen Ropp nee Cleveland, (daughter of Claudia Fleming Cleveland, William's granddaughter who used to live in Pineville, and grew up going to Riverside Farm Inn Resort on the Elk River) to cancer last September. I miss her so very much.. I also lost my mother in law a month later. It's been a rough year around here, and really puts things where they are with regard to one's mortality, but in the meantime, we all have to keep living, and that's even harder sometimes. I still need to work, but it's impossible at my age, and this economy, so temporarily on the unemployment line. Not for long I hope..The world is such a mess, isn't it? I have six biological grandchildren now from age 4 months to 15 years, and one foster grandchild that is 2 1/2. They are precious, and I want to do so many things for them. There just isn't enough time in the world to do it all. Back to William for a minute.. I would have thought that I could find real estate records for the Riverside property, but I haven't even been able to find that. Am I looking in the wrong places? I've tried glo-records (BLM). Where are the early property records for Newton and McDonald Counties kept? I assume Neosho records would be right there, but what about Noel and Pineville? Thanks for any tips you care to contribute. So glad to see you are still out there pitching to us. Just so great of you, and so good to hear from you. Talk soon. Carolyn Carolyn (Kalama, WA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > Carolyn, > > Nice to see your name pop up. Aunt Pauline Carnell passed away a couple of > years ago. She was 103. Yes, she did know a lot of local history. Sounds > like the article has been found at the library. > > Marilyn Carnell-Williams > [email protected] > See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of The Ellertsons > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:23 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > > > Is it safe to assume you have corresponded with Marilyn Carnell Williams > of > McDonald County board? She has an aunt Pauline that is in her 80's if > still > alive. I haven't communicated with her for some time, but Marilyn's Aunt > Pauline does genealogy the old way, and knows a bunch of stuff! Carolyn > (Kalama, WA) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:50 PM > Subject: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: JoyceSnell64 >> Surnames: Dalton, Williams >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >> ties.mcdonald/2873/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Pauline was married to my uncle, Clem Williams. She was struck and >> killed >> by a car on Sept 24, 1949. Am hoping to find a newspaper article about >> this fatal accident. No one from RAOGK does newspaper/obit lookup for >> McDonald Co. Accident happened at or near Anderson, MO on Highway 71. >> Not even certain if this highway is there today . . . ??? Please >> contact > >> me with suggestions or perhaps an offer to lookup. 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Try Arizona. The current owner of Riverside Inn property bought the "Fleming Ranch" there near Phoenix, I think. You & others might find the new site that is like a "flyover" of McDonald County. It is www.mcdonaldcountygov.com (don't ask me about the dippy name). If you zoom in enough, you can see the property lines, acreage amounts & owner's names. Kind of interesting to poke around on the site. I have found some errors (The Library is not owned by the school; it bought the property from the school more than 30 years ago.) Evidently they haven't kept the official records up to date as carefully as we would like. Thanks for all the news Carolyn. Aunt Pauline was a character alright. I got a kick out of her. Marilyn Carnell-Williams [email protected] See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Ellertsons Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams (and Fleming catchup) Hi Marilyn! Nice to hear from you also! I would have given anything to have sat down and had a cup of coffee with your Aunt Pauline. She sounded like such a gem. One by one we lose them, and now we're the next generation. I'm 65 now, and my biological clock is ticking faster than ever with regard to my family history. I've been doing a few things and had great luck with some other lines, but the Flemings still elude me past what we pretty much already have. Sometime when you're bored, maybe you could help me find a Will, or some probate record of my great grandfather, William Henry Fleming. You know, he spent the last six months of his life at his daughter's home in Collinsville, Oklahoma, and his second wife LaDora died there as well. Both were taken back to be buried in Neosho IOOF Cemetery, but Oklahoma has no death certificate for William. Just bizarre. I was able to get a death certificate for LaDora (not my great grandmother, who was William's first wife, Mary Emma Hamlin, who died in Texas at a young age). In any case, although Retha and you have been so wonderful to me and helped me so much, I have yet to be able to move past William in that line. It's as though his parents dropped off the face of the earth. There is even other William Henry Fleming/Flemmings, but they are not the right one, so I've tried a couple of wild goose chases in surrounding states. I have tried Texas too, as there's a bunch of them there, and that is where William enlisted for the civil war, according to his obit, but to be truthful, the people there have not been much help. One lady at the genealogical society in Hood County, where my grandfather was born (William's son by Mary Hamlin) told me (upon hearing what I DID have) that I probably had enough about him for my family history on him. I think she was probably trying to make me feel like I had accomplished SOMETHING, but it didn't help me with my brick wall a bit. I would even take a death certificate for his brother James ("Uncle Jim") who was married to Mary Meador (thank you Retha!), but although I have the obit, I don't have the latter, which could conceivably show who his parents were. He died in Oklahoma but was also taken back to Missouri for burial (Anderson).I would love to visit you all again, knowing what I know now! My husband had a stroke in 2005, and subsequently a back operation that was scheduled before he had it (they would then not touch him for 9 months), and the fusion of a bone in his foot, so we have had lots of recovery to deal with in our lives. Throw in work, animal chores, grandkids, and everything else, and we never get off the treadmill. I have also lost several extended family members and lifelong friends this past year, and lost my sister Sara Kathleen Ropp nee Cleveland, (daughter of Claudia Fleming Cleveland, William's granddaughter who used to live in Pineville, and grew up going to Riverside Farm Inn Resort on the Elk River) to cancer last September. I miss her so very much.. I also lost my mother in law a month later. It's been a rough year around here, and really puts things where they are with regard to one's mortality, but in the meantime, we all have to keep living, and that's even harder sometimes. I still need to work, but it's impossible at my age, and this economy, so temporarily on the unemployment line. Not for long I hope..The world is such a mess, isn't it? I have six biological grandchildren now from age 4 months to 15 years, and one foster grandchild that is 2 1/2. They are precious, and I want to do so many things for them. There just isn't enough time in the world to do it all. Back to William for a minute.. I would have thought that I could find real estate records for the Riverside property, but I haven't even been able to find that. Am I looking in the wrong places? I've tried glo-records (BLM). Where are the early property records for Newton and McDonald Counties kept? I assume Neosho records would be right there, but what about Noel and Pineville? Thanks for any tips you care to contribute. So glad to see you are still out there pitching to us. Just so great of you, and so good to hear from you. Talk soon. Carolyn Carolyn (Kalama, WA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > Carolyn, > > Nice to see your name pop up. Aunt Pauline Carnell passed away a > couple of years ago. She was 103. Yes, she did know a lot of local > history. Sounds like the article has been found at the library. > > Marilyn Carnell-Williams > [email protected] > See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of The Ellertsons > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:23 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > > > Is it safe to assume you have corresponded with Marilyn Carnell > Williams > of > McDonald County board? She has an aunt Pauline that is in her 80's if > still > alive. I haven't communicated with her for some time, but Marilyn's Aunt > Pauline does genealogy the old way, and knows a bunch of stuff! Carolyn > (Kalama, WA) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 9:50 PM > Subject: [MOMcDona] Pauline Dalton Williams > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: JoyceSnell64 >> Surnames: Dalton, Williams >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.cou >> n >> ties.mcdonald/2873/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Pauline was married to my uncle, Clem Williams. She was struck and >> killed by a car on Sept 24, 1949. Am hoping to find a newspaper >> article about >> this fatal accident. No one from RAOGK does newspaper/obit lookup for >> McDonald Co. Accident happened at or near Anderson, MO on Highway 71. >> Not even certain if this highway is there today . . . ??? Please >> contact > >> me with suggestions or perhaps an offer to lookup. 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