Marilyn. Any new info on this subject? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > Carolyn, > In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information > about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding > where > the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was > located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The > Cornell > University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is > one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is > no > such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of > Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is > closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as > Garden. > There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the > bushwhackers burned the courthouse. > > A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville > Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar > Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a > hill > near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has > been lost. > > Marilyn Carnell-Williams > [email protected] > See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of The Ellertsons > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > > Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything > you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the > same > > story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and > probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in > the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, > and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) > grandmother > singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the > family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed > that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me > she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I > could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the > day > > I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf > balls > > on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and > gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address > tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from > anyone, > > and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family > gravesite, > > lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing > their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but > the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William > and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the > stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. > Perhaps > > she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family > plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was > originally > opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that > eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and > growing > > in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the > time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that > precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, > grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or > someone > > about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a > confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if > you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a > result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also > became > > pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. > I > > have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit > he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous > military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater > share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and > they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works > better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes > approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results > than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the > technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora > and > > William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you > would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, > he > was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all > except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with > his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later > about > > the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon > you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place > around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History > classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people > on > > the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love > a > > challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I > think > > that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more > mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: > [email protected] Thanks again. ( > PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: MLCombs1978 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hello Carolyn, >> >> >> good to hear from you as well! >> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many >> letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have >> begin > >> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," >> and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and >> Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >> >> >> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >> LaDora >> met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because >> he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read >> that I will make a copy for you. >> >> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >> might >> be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, >> informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray >> and > >> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some >> pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. >> >> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >> Flemming >> 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go >> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. >> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >> >> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >> shine >> some light on your heritage! >> >> matthew >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Marilyn; By any Chance do your WILLIAMS of McDonald COUNTY MO go back to an AARON CRAWFORD WILLIAMS? Your accounts of the battles are about right from what I can read. Should you be near enough the genealogical Library at independence Mo has a nice collection of MCDonald co items. My husband's WILLIAMS family is buried north and east of southwest City and the cemetery appears nearly abandoned. I know the family moved on to Kansas and points west. Bud.

Sorry, I changed computers & these messages got hung up in the spam program. I haven't learned any more lately. Check out the www.luckydogwms.com for some info from the Historical Society meeting last week. The round stones are still a bit of a mystery. Marilyn The Ellertsons wrote: > Marilyn. Any new info on this subject? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > > >> Carolyn, >> In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information >> about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding >> where >> the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was >> located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The >> Cornell >> University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is >> one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is >> no >> such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of >> Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is >> closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as >> Garden. >> There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the >> bushwhackers burned the courthouse. >> >> A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville >> Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar >> Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a >> hill >> near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has >> been lost. >> >> Marilyn Carnell-Williams >> [email protected] >> See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of The Ellertsons >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >> >> >> Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything >> you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the >> same >> >> story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and >> probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in >> the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, >> and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) >> grandmother >> singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the >> family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed >> that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me >> she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I >> could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the >> day >> >> I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf >> balls >> >> on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and >> gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address >> tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from >> anyone, >> >> and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family >> gravesite, >> >> lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing >> their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but >> the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William >> and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the >> stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. >> Perhaps >> >> she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family >> plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was >> originally >> opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that >> eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and >> growing >> >> in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the >> time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that >> precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, >> grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or >> someone >> >> about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a >> confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if >> you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a >> result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also >> became >> >> pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. >> I >> >> have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit >> he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous >> military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater >> share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and >> they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works >> better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes >> approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results >> than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the >> technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora >> and >> >> William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you >> would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, >> he >> was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all >> except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with >> his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later >> about >> >> the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon >> you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place >> around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History >> classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people >> on >> >> the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love >> a >> >> challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I >> think >> >> that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more >> mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: >> [email protected] Thanks again. ( >> PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. >> Carolyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >> >> >> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: MLCombs1978 >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >>> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Hello Carolyn, >>> >>> >>> good to hear from you as well! >>> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many >>> letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have >>> begin >>> >>> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >>> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," >>> and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and >>> Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >>> >>> >>> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >>> LaDora >>> met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because >>> he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read >>> that I will make a copy for you. >>> >>> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >>> might >>> be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, >>> informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray >>> and >>> >>> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some >>> pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. >>> >>> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >>> Flemming >>> 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >>> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go >>> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. >>> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >>> >>> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >>> shine >>> some light on your heritage! >>> >>> matthew >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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