Just so you know, the attempt at secession was never serious. It was a public relations stunt (quite clever, I think) because McDonald Co. was left off the tourism map that year. Marilyn mobarbq wrote: > I am involved in a research project related to the 1961 secession attempt by the McDonald County officials. I have placed a planning page up at http://www.qsl.net/kg0yh/mcdonald.htm > I am seeking information in particular about a Walter Arndt, who was Postmaster General of the provisional government of "McDonald Territory." I presume he has passed away by now, but any and all information would be appreciated about any of the participants I have listed. > 2011 will be the 50th anniversary of this event, and I am working on philatelic commemoration, which may include special souvenir postmarks and perhaps a recreation of one of the "mail runs" out of the territory. > I have limited funds, but I would like to buy actual mailpieces (intact, entire envelopes) from this unique period of McDonald County history. I also would like to interview those who may have direct knowledge of the events that transpired. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To contact the MOMCDONA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] > > To post a message to the MOMCDONA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Email: [email protected] Phone: (417) 223-4455 Cell: (417) 437-4972 Blog: http://luckydogwms.com

I tried to respond by replying via momcdona etc, but it bounced. Your best source is the McDonald County Library (417-223-4489) or www.mcdonaldcountylibrary.org. There is notebook there with all the newspaper clippings & photos of that event. My sister was the librarian at the time, and she collected the information. Although I was born & reared in McDonald Co., I was away at college at the time it occurred, so missed all the excitement. The memorabilia are quite rare & expensive now, I think. I don't know how far away you live from Pineville, but if you want to contact me after Christmas (I'm busy with family right now). I will help if I can. Marilyn Carnell 417-223-4455 mobarbq wrote: > I am involved in a research project related to the 1961 secession attempt by the McDonald County officials. I have placed a planning page up at http://www.qsl.net/kg0yh/mcdonald.htm > I am seeking information in particular about a Walter Arndt, who was Postmaster General of the provisional government of "McDonald Territory." I presume he has passed away by now, but any and all information would be appreciated about any of the participants I have listed. > 2011 will be the 50th anniversary of this event, and I am working on philatelic commemoration, which may include special souvenir postmarks and perhaps a recreation of one of the "mail runs" out of the territory. > I have limited funds, but I would like to buy actual mailpieces (intact, entire envelopes) from this unique period of McDonald County history. I also would like to interview those who may have direct knowledge of the events that transpired. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To contact the MOMCDONA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] > > To post a message to the MOMCDONA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Email: [email protected] Phone: (417) 223-4455 Cell: (417) 437-4972 Blog: http://luckydogwms.com

I am involved in a research project related to the 1961 secession attempt by the McDonald County officials. I have placed a planning page up at http://www.qsl.net/kg0yh/mcdonald.htm I am seeking information in particular about a Walter Arndt, who was Postmaster General of the provisional government of "McDonald Territory." I presume he has passed away by now, but any and all information would be appreciated about any of the participants I have listed. 2011 will be the 50th anniversary of this event, and I am working on philatelic commemoration, which may include special souvenir postmarks and perhaps a recreation of one of the "mail runs" out of the territory. I have limited funds, but I would like to buy actual mailpieces (intact, entire envelopes) from this unique period of McDonald County history.  I also would like to interview those who may have direct knowledge of the events that transpired.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mobarbq Surnames: ARNDT Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.mcdonald/2880/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Seeking information about a Walter Arndt, who was Postmaster General of the short-lived "McDonald Territory" in 1961, when McDonald County, Missouri filed for secession from the State of Missouri. Relatives of Arndt may still be in the Southwest Missouri area. For more information about the event, which is approaching its 50th anniversary, see my page at http://www.qsl.net/kg0yh/mcdonald.htm I am involved in a research project regarding this historical event; this is not a commercial venture, and I am not selling anything. KEYWORDS: ARNDT, McDonald County, McDonald Territory, Noel, local post, local posts, private carriage of mail, secession, postmaster general, 1961 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There is a wonderful collection of material on the event at the McDonald County Library. Newspaper clippings, photos, etc. Suggest you contact them at 417-223-4489 or www.mcdonaldcountylibrary.org Marilyn [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: mobarbq > Surnames: ARNDT > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.mcdonald/2880/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Seeking information about a Walter Arndt, who was Postmaster General of the short-lived "McDonald Territory" in 1961, when McDonald County, Missouri filed for secession from the State of Missouri. Relatives of Arndt may still be in the Southwest Missouri area. For more information about the event, which is approaching its 50th anniversary, see my page at http://www.qsl.net/kg0yh/mcdonald.htm I am involved in a research project regarding this historical event; this is not a commercial venture, and I am not selling anything. > KEYWORDS: ARNDT, McDonald County, McDonald Territory, Noel, local post, local posts, private carriage of mail, secession, postmaster general, 1961 > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > To contact the MOMCDONA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] > > To post a message to the MOMCDONA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Email: [email protected] Phone: (417) 223-4455 Cell: (417) 437-4972 Blog: http://luckydogwms.com

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Sorry, I changed computers & these messages got hung up in the spam program. I haven't learned any more lately. Check out the www.luckydogwms.com for some info from the Historical Society meeting last week. The round stones are still a bit of a mystery. Marilyn The Ellertsons wrote: > Marilyn. Any new info on this subject? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > > >> Carolyn, >> In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information >> about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding >> where >> the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was >> located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The >> Cornell >> University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is >> one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is >> no >> such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of >> Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is >> closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as >> Garden. >> There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the >> bushwhackers burned the courthouse. >> >> A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville >> Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar >> Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a >> hill >> near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has >> been lost. >> >> Marilyn Carnell-Williams >> [email protected] >> See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of The Ellertsons >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >> >> >> Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything >> you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the >> same >> >> story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and >> probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in >> the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, >> and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) >> grandmother >> singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the >> family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed >> that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me >> she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I >> could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the >> day >> >> I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf >> balls >> >> on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and >> gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address >> tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from >> anyone, >> >> and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family >> gravesite, >> >> lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing >> their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but >> the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William >> and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the >> stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. >> Perhaps >> >> she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family >> plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was >> originally >> opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that >> eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and >> growing >> >> in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the >> time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that >> precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, >> grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or >> someone >> >> about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a >> confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if >> you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a >> result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also >> became >> >> pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. >> I >> >> have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit >> he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous >> military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater >> share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and >> they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works >> better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes >> approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results >> than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the >> technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora >> and >> >> William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you >> would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, >> he >> was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all >> except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with >> his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later >> about >> >> the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon >> you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place >> around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History >> classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people >> on >> >> the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love >> a >> >> challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I >> think >> >> that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more >> mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: >> [email protected] Thanks again. ( >> PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. >> Carolyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >> >> >> >>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>> >>> Author: MLCombs1978 >>> Surnames: >>> Classification: queries >>> >>> Message Board URL: >>> >>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >>> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >>> >>> Message Board Post: >>> >>> Hello Carolyn, >>> >>> >>> good to hear from you as well! >>> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many >>> letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have >>> begin >>> >>> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >>> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," >>> and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and >>> Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >>> >>> >>> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >>> LaDora >>> met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because >>> he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read >>> that I will make a copy for you. >>> >>> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >>> might >>> be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, >>> informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray >>> and >>> >>> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some >>> pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. >>> >>> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >>> Flemming >>> 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >>> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go >>> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. >>> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >>> >>> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >>> shine >>> some light on your heritage! >>> >>> matthew >>> >>> Important Note: >>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Hi Marilyn. Thanks for letting me know. We just have to keep plugging! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > Sorry, I changed computers & these messages got hung up in the spam > program. I haven't learned any more lately. Check out the > www.luckydogwms.com for some info from the Historical Society meeting > last week. The round stones are still a bit of a mystery. > Marilyn > > The Ellertsons wrote: >> Marilyn. Any new info on this subject? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >> >> >> >>> Carolyn, >>> In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information >>> about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding >>> where >>> the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was >>> located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The >>> Cornell >>> University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There >>> is >>> one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There >>> is >>> no >>> such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south >>> of >>> Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is >>> closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as >>> Garden. >>> There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, >>> the >>> bushwhackers burned the courthouse. >>> >>> A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville >>> Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar >>> Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a >>> hill >>> near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has >>> been lost. >>> >>> Marilyn Carnell-Williams >>> [email protected] >>> See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] >>> [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of The Ellertsons >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM >>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >>> >>> >>> Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have >>> anything >>> you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the >>> same >>> >>> story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and >>> probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang >>> in >>> the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other >>> voices, >>> and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) >>> grandmother >>> singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the >>> family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed >>> that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told >>> me >>> she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I >>> could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the >>> day >>> >>> I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf >>> balls >>> >>> on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and >>> gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and >>> address >>> tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from >>> anyone, >>> >>> and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family >>> gravesite, >>> >>> lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument >>> announcing >>> their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, >>> but >>> the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both >>> William >>> and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the >>> stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. >>> Perhaps >>> >>> she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the >>> family >>> plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was >>> originally >>> opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that >>> eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and >>> growing >>> >>> in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at >>> the >>> time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that >>> precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, >>> grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or >>> someone >>> >>> about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a >>> confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, >>> if >>> you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a >>> result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also >>> became >>> >>> pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern >>> relatives. >>> I >>> >>> have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what >>> unit >>> he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous >>> military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The >>> greater >>> share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and >>> they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works >>> better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes >>> approaches things in a different way and one that might get better >>> results >>> than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the >>> technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora >>> and >>> >>> William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if >>> you >>> would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, >>> he >>> was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all >>> except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him >>> with >>> his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later >>> about >>> >>> the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty >>> soon >>> you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking >>> place >>> around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American >>> History >>> classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the >>> people >>> on >>> >>> the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They >>> love >>> a >>> >>> challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I >>> think >>> >>> that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more >>> mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: >>> [email protected] Thanks again. ( >>> PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. >>> Carolyn >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland >>> >>> >>> >>>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >>>> >>>> Author: MLCombs1978 >>>> Surnames: >>>> Classification: queries >>>> >>>> Message Board URL: >>>> >>>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >>>> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >>>> >>>> Message Board Post: >>>> >>>> Hello Carolyn, >>>> >>>> >>>> good to hear from you as well! >>>> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many >>>> letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have >>>> begin >>>> >>>> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >>>> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones >>>> all," >>>> and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol >>>> and >>>> Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >>>> >>>> >>>> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >>>> LaDora >>>> met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him >>>> because >>>> he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read >>>> that I will make a copy for you. >>>> >>>> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >>>> might >>>> be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, >>>> informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray >>>> and >>>> >>>> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some >>>> pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. >>>> >>>> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >>>> Flemming >>>> 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >>>> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I >>>> go >>>> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more >>>> information. >>>> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >>>> >>>> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >>>> shine >>>> some light on your heritage! >>>> >>>> matthew >>>> >>>> Important Note: >>>> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Marilyn; By any Chance do your WILLIAMS of McDonald COUNTY MO go back to an AARON CRAWFORD WILLIAMS? Your accounts of the battles are about right from what I can read. Should you be near enough the genealogical Library at independence Mo has a nice collection of MCDonald co items. My husband's WILLIAMS family is buried north and east of southwest City and the cemetery appears nearly abandoned. I know the family moved on to Kansas and points west. Bud.

Marilyn. Any new info on this subject? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Carnell-Williams" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 AM Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > Carolyn, > In your Civil War research, have you run across any specific information > about the war in McDonald Co? I am particularly interested in finding > where > the "Battle of Pineville" occurred and where Sterling Price's HQ was > located. I have read several accounts in the "Official Records" (The > Cornell > University MOA site is a gold mine, original text and searchable) There is > one account of Coffee's 500 bivouacking (sp?) In "Garden Hollow" There is > no > such name here. There is a Gordon Hollow & a Gooden Hollow, both south of > Pineville. Gooden Hollow is between Pineville and Riverside. Gordon is > closer to the Jane community. Either could have been transcribed as > Garden. > There was also a skirmish at Pineville at another time and of course, the > bushwhackers burned the courthouse. > > A local woman told me that they shelled the area around the Pineville > Cemetery (by Elk River) and also that there was fighting from Big Sugar > Creek valley toward the town to the west. A cannon ball was found in a > hill > near that area a few years ago. It is sad that so much local history has > been lost. > > Marilyn Carnell-Williams > [email protected] > See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of The Ellertsons > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:22 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > > Matthew, thank you for your response! I will be delighted to have anything > you are willing to share, and happy to reciprocate as well. I heard the > same > > story about how Ladora and William met from my aunt Joan Fleming, and > probably from my mother as well. My mother had a lovely voice, and sang in > the glee club as a young lady, so knew how to harmonize with other voices, > and make them beautiful, and I can still remember my (maternal) > grandmother > singing to me before I went to sleep as a child, so it must run in the > family. I have been to the Fleming plot at the IOOF in Neosho. I assumed > that Ladora was there also, and even though the cemetery recorder told me > she had been brought back from Oklahoma, and I have that news article, I > could find no stone for her in the Fleming plot. I spent hours there the > day > > I visited, while my husband got a well deserved day hitting a few golf > balls > > on a local green. He had spent hours driving, so it was much needed, and > gave me guilt free time at the cemetery. I even left my name and address > tucked under the headstone in a laminated case, but never heard from > anyone, > > and it has been seven years. Either no one ever visits the family > gravesite, > > lives too far away, or wasn't interested. The Fleming monument announcing > their family plot is large and impressive, as I am sure they intended, but > the headstones are the sweet old originals, and I loved them. Both William > and a daughter who died young, named "Hallie" are buried there, and the > stones are the round pillow type. None for Ladora that I could find. > Perhaps > > she is in a different part of the cemetery? Down the hill from the family > plot is the original section of the cemetery. I read that it was > originally > opened to receive the civil war dead, and unlike most cemeteries that > eventually make a new one somewhere, the IOOF just kept growing and > growing > > in the same location. Was told there are about 10,000 graves there at the > time. What really fried me, however is the deplorable condition of that > precious keeper of our civil war history. The stones were toppled over, > grass unkept, etc. I think I even wrote to the historical society or > someone > > about it. I do not know if you are aware of it or not, but William was a > confederate civil war veteran. That might be where I can best help you, if > you are interested in military history. I became a "civil war bore" as a > result of researching several of my ancestors' military history. Also > became > > pretty up on the Revolutionary war when researching my northern relatives. > I > > have yet to find all I am really after, but it's a start. I know what unit > he was in, some of the battles they were engaged in, and miscellaneous > military stuff etc., and the best places to search for people. The greater > share of military researchers are men, but we women are catching up, and > they are wonderfully helpful to us. I like to think it actually works > better, because women and men think differently, so each sometimes > approaches things in a different way and one that might get better results > than the others (at least that time!) Particularly when it comes to the > technical aspect of it. I couldn't tell if you had the picture of Ladora > and > > William together. If not, I will scan and send, or make you a copy if you > would like one. She looks like a very sweet woman. From what I can tell, > he > was a little more strict and proper. I have no picture of William at all > except for the aforementioned and one I found on the internet of him with > his civil war unit at a confederate reunion in 1902. We can talk later > about > > the military stuff, but it is really fun when you get into it. Pretty soon > you are trying to follow them through the battles and what is taking place > around them, and we get just enough civil war history in American History > classes to make us recognize some of what is going on. Some of the people > on > > the message boards are experts, and so very helpful to everyone. They love > a > > challenge, and have helped me several times (I've helped them too!). I > think > > that the more we dig into this, the more fun it will be, and the more > mysteries we can solve. Thanks for jumping in! You can email me at: > [email protected] Thanks again. ( > PS: What part of the country do you live in? I live on the west coast. > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: [MOMcDona] Fleming, Combs,Bonebrake, DeWitt, Cleveland > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: MLCombs1978 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.coun >> ties.mcdonald/1616.1.2.1/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hello Carolyn, >> >> >> good to hear from you as well! >> Ladora was certainly a busy writer, and until her death she wrote many >> letters to her son, Murray Sr, and to his family. The letters I have >> begin > >> in 1890 when she was 34 and continue on until a few years before her >> death. She always begins with "my darling boy," or "my darling ones all," >> and her personality is easily apparent in her style of writing. Carol and >> Nell are also mentioned in some letters. >> >> >> One fact I am sure that you will be interested in is that I read >> LaDora >> met William Flemming in church and was initially attracted to him because >> he had a nice singing voice. When I come across the place where I read >> that I will make a copy for you. >> >> I am currently setting aside things, as I go through them, that you >> might >> be interested in getting a copy of. I have a telegram to Murray Combs, >> informing about LaDora's death, and a whole book of pictures of Murray >> and > >> possibly his first wife spending time at Riverside Farm Inn, with some >> pictures of LaDora and one of her with her brother, Henry Carroll. >> >> Also, there is a note on one of the papers I have that says "W.H. >> Flemming >> 1845 - 1924 I.O.O.F Cemetery." >> I have not done any research on William Flemming or his line, but as I go >> through these letters and such, I will keep sending you more information. >> Do you have an email where we can continue correspondence? >> >> It is great to connect with you and I look forward to being able to >> shine >> some light on your heritage! >> >> matthew >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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http://americancivilwar.com/statepic/missouri.html

Skirmishes and battles in Missouri http://previous.slpl.org/libsrc/battles.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_in_the_American_Civil_War#Price.27s_Raid

Ditto! And, this material is fascinating! Peace & blessings, Cathy Porter-Maynard (in Hastings, Minnesota) Post Script: Hello, Marilyn! ======================== In a message dated 9/30/2009 4:03:05 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thank you so much. I haven't done a Google search lately. Marilyn Carnell-Williams [email protected] See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com ============================= -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Ellertsons Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MOMcDona] civil war history=sterling price's headquarters inMissouri location? - Google Search Some of these hits look promising. See what you can come up with? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=civil+war+history%3Dsterling+price%27s+ headquarters+in+Missouri+location%3F&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thank you so much. I haven't done a Google search lately. Marilyn Carnell-Williams [email protected] See our blog at http://luckydogwms.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of The Ellertsons Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MOMcDona] civil war history=sterling price's headquarters inMissouri location? - Google Search Some of these hits look promising. See what you can come up with? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=civil+war+history%3Dsterling+price%27s+ headquarters+in+Missouri+location%3F&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi= ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To contact the MOMCDONA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the MOMCDONA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Some of these hits look promising. See what you can come up with? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=civil+war+history%3Dsterling+price%27s+headquarters+in+Missouri+location%3F&btnG=Search&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Confederates+at+Battle+of+Pineville+Missouri&start=10&sa=N