Thanks so much for your offer of the map, but we will be "on-the-road" tomorrow morning. Tempe ===== Tempe Berggren http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Oaks/6370 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/r/Tempe-T-Berggren/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Maries County ? I didn't mean to frighten everyone away by saying we were coming! :) When I asked if anyone could guide us to the area of Dry Creek Twp. where my husband's gggrandfather lived, I did not mean literally, I meant by a written description or an idea of the location based on the census information from 1850. Just a few clues would be helpful. Is the area all in houses now, or commercial development? Are there some historical monuments there, or pioneer cemeteries? Thought I'd better clarify the request in my last post as there has been absolutely no activity on the list since. Tempe Berggren ===== Tempe Berggren http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Oaks/6370 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/r/Tempe-T-Berggren/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Next month my husband and I will be taking a research trip through Nebraska and Missouri. While in Missouri we would like to visit the area his gggrandfather settled in from 1840 until his death about 1865. It is our understanding that he lived in Dry Creek Twp. where it has been part of Pulaski, then Maries, followed by Phelps counties. In the 1850 census for Pulaski county he lived near the Ramsey, Lee, and Light families. Can anyone guide us to this area? We do have the Maries County Touring Map provided by the Historical Society, showing Dry Creek Twp. His name was Lewis Rice, father of Josephine, Madison, Henry, William, and Lydia (who married Moses Simpson and went to Texas). I have not been able to locate Lewis Rice on the 1860 census yet. He has to be there. The only record we have of Lewis Rice's death is a notice of the settlement of his estate in Maries County in March 1866, administrator was R. L. Ramsey, as listed in the Rolla Express. We wonder if he was a victim of the Civil War? In 1858 Josephine Rice married William Aynes, son of John Aynes and Elizabeth Bailey Aynes. We have a fairly good description of John Aynes place since Judy Germann has described it on this List as the old Noblet(t) place. Elizabeth Aynes died about 1865. The Aynes families travelled with several other families to southeast Nebraska in 1866 or 1867 after John Aynes sold to Noblet and had married the widow of John Martin. Madison Rice was in Cooke Co., TX in 1875. William Rice moved to TX also. No clue for Henry yet. Any suggestions for our Missouri search will be greatly appreciated! Norman and Tempe Berggren Sheridan, Oregon ===== Tempe Berggren http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Oaks/6370 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/r/Tempe-T-Berggren/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

The James Martin I show that belongs to George W. and Mary Martin is James O. Martin born about 1843 married a Margaret Rowden. I am not sure how you could look up census for Oklahoma in 1880 that would have been before the Oklahoma Run for land in 1889. Only 1900 census were taken for the Indian and Oklahoma Terr. Perhaps they went Ark. That is where I show most of my Martin's went from Mo. Esta

Wanda, Was Orville and Lucille your parents? If so, I received a lette from you about 20 years ago. I would like to exchange some informtion about the family and try to clarify some points. My father was Joseph Martin (Joe) Blackwell and Remus was my uncle. I have collected quite a bit of information about the Blackwell Family, but some if it is disputed so would like to see what you have in those areas that people are not in agreement on. Pat Bauer, a cousin, has put up the following web site with some of the information we have. There is more, but didn't want to put up anything that wasn't reasonably certain. <A HREF="http://blackwells2.homestead.com/files/index.htm">Thomas Blackwell Descendents</A> Regards, Lonnie J. Blackwell, Sr.

I believe it is possible that James Martin is James Joseph Martin b. 1841 in Osage Co MO and in the 1860 census age 19 Maries Co. He is not in the 1870 census. I'm currently extracting the 1880 census for Osage County finding him there with his wife Sarah Ellen would prove or disprove this theory. Does anyone have what happened to Joseph Martin b. 1841 son of George Martin and his wife Mary.. Another possibility is p. 277 King's History of Maries Co MO, Brazeal Coffee killed during the civil war, his widow married James Martin and went to Oklahoma. So you might look for James martin in Olkahoma in 1880 census. Meg

Federal land patent records for Missouri are available on the BLM web site: http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/ The MO State Archives also has an index and land sale records. Individual county deed records are also filmed for many counties and available at the archives. Ken > > Hi DeVere, > > > > > > where did you get a copy of the Missouri Government Land Grant? If my > memory > > is correct Missouri is not one of the states on the BLM list. > > > > Jim Skaggs > > > > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Posted on: Maries Co MO Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mo/Maries/10723 Surname: Martin, Blackwell ------------------------- Seeking info. on James Martin and Sarah Ellen Blackwell. They were married in Maries Co, MO on 14 Oct 1875 by Rev. Wm. Roberson. Sarah E. was born 16 March 1851, dau of Lewis and Eliza (Fann) Blackwell. No other info. found on James and Sarah Ellen Martin after 1875. No known info on who James Martin was. Any info. appreciated. Thank you.

Jim, When you buy property in Missouri you should have an Abstract Company run an abstract on the property you are buying to make sure no one else has claim, or a deed wasn't transferred etc. They go back and check every owner of the property since it was built and sold the first time. It can be quite expensive, the last time I had one ran it cost $50 per page. Some people take the chance and don't run an abstract. Some people will not buy unless one is run. You can require the seller to do this as a condition of the sale. It used to be a requirement or a Real Estate Co would not sell the property. I have seen Abstracts, 50 pages long. DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: <JDSshipbld@cs.com> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] Federal Land Sales > Hi DeVere, > > > where did you get a copy of the Missouri Government Land Grant? If my memory > is correct Missouri is not one of the states on the BLM list. > > Jim Skaggs > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Hi DeVere, where did you get a copy of the Missouri Government Land Grant? If my memory is correct Missouri is not one of the states on the BLM list. Jim Skaggs

Ken, In the 1830s, the government took over all land including that land belonging to the Osage Indians. If you had homesteaded the land you were living on you would make a claim on it to the government. If they felt you were entitled to it they would give you a land grant (deed) for this land and it would be recorded. You had to apply for land to the Government Land Office for any land, no one owned anything in what became Miller County. If you run an abstract on property that goes back that far, it will be a land grant signed by Zachary Taylor. That was the way my great-grandfather's was. DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: The Hartkes <purro@socket.net> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 6:49 PM Subject: [MOMARIES] Federal Land Sales > Seeking information on the process of acquiring Federal land in the 1850s. > > How did this work? Did the settler go to the land office and buy the next available parcel of land or did they first find some unoccupied land and then go to the land office and buy it? Some of the purchases I've seen are for parcels of unconnected land -- 40 acres here and 80 acres there -- purchased at the same time. I wonder how much they knew about the land before they bought it (water, roads, etc.). > > Ken > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

At 08:49 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote: >Seeking information on the process of acquiring Federal land in the 1850s. > >How did this work? Did the settler go to the land office and buy the next available parcel of land or did they first find some unoccupied land and then go to the land office and buy it? Some of the purchases I've seen are for parcels of unconnected land -- 40 acres here and 80 acres there -- purchased at the same time. I wonder how much they knew about the land before they bought it (water, roads, etc.). > >Ken > > I just talked to a surveyer this last Sat about this very subject as he was trying to find survey points on my neighbors property for 1870!! According to him, yes they knew what the land looked like. OR NOT, didn't matter, They didn't have to settle on it. This wasn't homesteading like in OK or the very western MO. Water was important. Springs, creeks (no wells back then and no running water. No roads either. whether it would be tillable, or had usable timber, or other desirable traits for the time period. It was sold by the federal gov to repay war debts, in cash for a certain amount. At the disginated patent offices. The undesirable land, that no one wanted, was given or sold to the State to disperse. There was land speculation, Some believe recent immagrents (sp) weren't allowed to purchase it. there may have restrictions on how many acres could be bought per person. Cash was hard to come by. AND 40 acres was a huge amount of land then to farm, with Mules and horses

At 08:49 PM 4/18/01 -0500, you wrote: >Seeking information on the process of acquiring Federal land in the 1850s. > >How did this work? Did the settler go to the land office and buy the next available parcel of land or did they first find some unoccupied land and then go to the land office and buy it? Some of the purchases I've seen are for parcels of unconnected land -- 40 acres here and 80 acres there -- purchased at the same time. I wonder how much they knew about the land before they bought it (water, roads, etc.). > >Ken > They probably looked at it, they knew what was available, and if they didn't or couldn't look at it they hired an agent. Called a Real Estate person today. Things really don't/haven't changed much. Maggi > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > >

Seeking information on the process of acquiring Federal land in the 1850s. How did this work? Did the settler go to the land office and buy the next available parcel of land or did they first find some unoccupied land and then go to the land office and buy it? Some of the purchases I've seen are for parcels of unconnected land -- 40 acres here and 80 acres there -- purchased at the same time. I wonder how much they knew about the land before they bought it (water, roads, etc.). Ken

--------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Melinda K. Elmore" <mkelmore@tranquility.net> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> If you have been looking for any of the names below, they are on a Phelps County (next door county) list, which can be found at the following URL. There is more info at that site about these people. I noticed there are a few familiar Maries Co surnames. http://www.homestead.com/aahala/files/phelps1883.html Anna Pierce Temperance Massie David H. Elliot Abraham Fields Sarah Boatman Jotham Rice James Rigdon Jacob Falk Hagunin Van Epps Leming Austin Chas. H. Leffingwell Thomas Whitson John H. Liebhart Marion Munson Nathous Monet Jno. S. Dayton Tiberias C. Ryker Sarah P. Hale Elizabeth Allen Elizabeth Evans Mathew Reffer John W. McCracken John R. McMasters Lydia C. McBee Rebecca V. Ludwig Amanda Light Francis Jackson Zirilda Keeton Mary Hill Mary Maloney Allison Scott William Damm James M. Delong Mary A. Shelly Mary A. Slammer Jane Fink Mary A. Cook John B. Weisenbach Elizabeth Wilson Emiline Adams Sarah L. Arnold Christian Schneider Jacob Swolly John Snay Enoch P. Ferrell Wm. H. Froxell Jno. B. Ansley Josiah Kerrison Valentine Hager Joseph S. Kelley John R. Guffey Wilbur G. Finch John Haack Ambrose B. Corey Benj. W. Culbertson Charles E. Caufman George A. Collins Etienne Genin Francis Geesler Awon Lewis Charlotte Gratzmuller Thomas Barron Reuben D. Barber Catherine Asher Robert Nipper Margaret Simpson James H. Fox Thos French Mary Walter Washburn Cader Chas. H. Wetherwax John C. Senne Ernest P. Ricker Harrison Asher Wm Bachmer Delford C. Goff Henry Gough Jno. L. Kolb ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

LIST: I put an index on the home page of Peggy's Smith's Webpage so it is easy to find the family you want. There are forty-five different families and articles on this page so far. When It's done there could be over 300. It is an ongoing thing. Peggy is a well-known genealogist for Miller, Maries and surrounding counties. Under the title of my "Favorite Links" on this Webpage you will find two other URL addresses that will give you plenty of family information. Here are the 3 addresses: Peggy Smith Hake's page: http://members.tripod.com/devere8 DeVere & Vernon's Family Page: http://www.stormloader.com/kvernon/fam/famind.htm Margaret Gentges page (Has 85,000 names from the area) http://www.mindspring.com/~mgentges You must be on-line to open these pages. Keep this message so all you have to do is click on the addresses. DeVere

Terry, I'd be very interested in a Gedcopy. I research the Kerr Family of Maries Co. Thank you, Steve Piper ----- Original Message ----- From: <TerryLWoodward@aol.com> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] Viessman > John, the artist and civil war reinactor is the son of Gene Viessmann and > grandson of Charles Viessman. Charles Henry Viessmann and his wife Josephine > McDonald had 13 children. Six of their boys served in WWII and 5 served in > combat at the same time. Charles is the son of John Viessmann and Katherine > Kerr. I have a database with 820 Viessmann descendents if anyone is > interested in a GEDCOM copy. Shirley Scott also posted it in Maries County > Families on the Maries County Genweb page. My database also contains Bumpass, > Simpson, Eads, Perkins, Duffin, and Lauterbach names. > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

John, the artist and civil war reinactor is the son of Gene Viessmann and grandson of Charles Viessman. Charles Henry Viessmann and his wife Josephine McDonald had 13 children. Six of their boys served in WWII and 5 served in combat at the same time. Charles is the son of John Viessmann and Katherine Kerr. I have a database with 820 Viessmann descendents if anyone is interested in a GEDCOM copy. Shirley Scott also posted it in Maries County Families on the Maries County Genweb page. My database also contains Bumpass, Simpson, Eads, Perkins, Duffin, and Lauterbach names.

--------- Forwarded message ---------- NAME: Judy Germann EMAIL: wgermann@flinthills.com DATE: Apr 14 2001 QRYTEXT: Maries County (MO)Gazette 3 September 1964 KLIETHERMES RITES CONDUCTED AT ST. ELIZABETH Funeral services for Matthew Kliethermes, 78, who died Saturday at his home near St. Elizabeth, were conducted Wednesday, at the St. Lawrence Catholic church, St. Elizabeth, with the Rev. H.J. Figge officiating. Burial was in the Parish Cemetery. Mr. Kliethermes was born Dec. 4, 1885, near Taos the son of William and Gertrude Kliethermes. He was married Jan. 19, 1909, to the former Miss Geneva Jaegers at Loose Creek who survives. Other survivors include six sons, Ray Kliethermes, Iberia, Norbery Kliethermes, Eugene, Walter, Albert, Leo and Herbert Kliethermes, St. Elizabeth; two daughters, Miss Emma Kliethermes of the home and Mrs. Lorrain Luebbert, St. Elizabeth; 28 grandchildren and four great-grandchildren.. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

--------- Forwarded message ---------- NAME: Judy Germann EMAIL: wgermann@flinthills.com DATE: Apr 14 2001 QRYTEXT: Maries County (MO)Gazette, 3 September 1964 RITES WEDNESDAY FOR BELLE WOMAN KILLED BY TRAIN Mrs. Ella Mitchell Bacon, 51, of Belle, was critically injured Saturday morning when she was hit by a train near the main street crossing at Belle. Witnesses who watched helplessly said Mrs. Bacon was carrying a package, apparently had dropped something blowing away, and was walking bent over to retrieve the lost item, the top part of her body extended over one rail of the track. Mrs. Bacon, who was hard of hearing, wore a hearing aid but the batteries were dead, although she was carrying new ones, a brother said. Bill Jones and Elmer Cordsmeyer Jr., working nearby, saw the woman walking in the path of the approaching train with its whistle blowing and bell ringing, and tried to warn her. Chester Vernon of Eldon, the Rock Island engineer, said the woman gave no indication she was aware of the approaching train. The woman was struck on the head and thrown from the path of the train at a point about 100 feet west of the crossing. Identification was made from papers carried in her billfold, due to the profusion of blood. Mrs. Bacon was taken to Phelps County Memorial Hospital at Rolla where she died at 6 p.m. She was born Dec. 24, 1912 at Belle, a daughter of Joseph and Amanda Scarlett Mitchell. Mrs. Bacon was twice married, both marriages ending by divorce; first to Ben Schwegler, now of Pilot Knob, by whom two daughters were born, and to Alfred S. Bacon, now of Rolla. Surviving are the daughters, Mrs. Alma Moman of Belle and Mrs. Oletha Keith of Topeka, Kans.; eight grandchildren; the mother, Mrs. Amanda Mitchell of Belle; two brothers, Henry and Willis Mitchell of Belle; and three sisters, Mrs. Clara Jarvis, Belle; Mrs. Minnie Dingley Steelville; Mrs. Amelia Miller, Truth or Consequences, N.M. Funeral services were from the High Gate Baptist Church Wednesday afternoon with the Rev. Richard H. Terrill officiating. Burial was at Francis cemetery, north of Belle. . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.