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What wonderful memories am I having after reading about the old sayings, so many of them was used by my family in the years of my growing up. Hog killing time is still some of my most treasured memories. I have a picture of my grandfather Omer Webster Cowen standing next to a hog hanging on a single-tree just after it had been dipped into the scolding water. We could hardly wait for them to cut it down the middle, because we knew that the first thing they would do would be cut out the tenderloin and slice it into bite-size pieces for us to roast over the fire under the kettle waiting for the fat to be rendered for those pork rind treats. One saying that I always heard and still hear it today is I fixed a mess of beans or poke greens. How much is a mess? My grandfathers family was from MO, by the way of Ark. When they talked they used this very slow speech and yo'all, youngins, and many more. The people in the town of Paden, Oklahoma refereed to it as the Cowen draugh. Thanks again for all the memories. Esta Russell

Devere, During our local Heritage reunion one year they did this procedure. "Only" one year....People complained. They hated the idea of actually seeing the hog hanging there. (So much for that history lesson!) But I'll sure bet they didn't give up eating pork! :-) Rita >From: "DeVere Whitaker" Reply-To: MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com To: >MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] The way they talked Date: >Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:47:38 -0700 > >Monty, > >A lot of the farmers still use this method. The Friday after Thanksgiving >was kind of a rule of thumb, because you had to have had a Killing Frost or >be around 42 degrees so the meat wouldn't spoil. This was a big day and >took the whole family. That brings back some memories of seeing that pig >hanging by a rope over a limb waiting for that pot to get hot enough to >lower it into the water. > >Sometimes the neighbors would all get together and butcher together. They >would do this with chickens also. The more hands the better. > >DeVere > > >----- Original Message ----- From: Monty Graves To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, >2001 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] The way they talked > > > > I am sure lots of others on the list have heard "got a good scald on it" > > > You probably hear more men say it than women. When men butchered hogs, > > they had to dip them in scalding water. Then scrape off the hair and > >outside skin. they didn't use thermoters, just by feel (my grandfather > >dipped his finger!) Scalding water is 150 degrees. If the water was too > >cold by a few degrees the hair would not slip and it was hard to remove > >(scrape it off). If the water was too hot by a few degrees, the hair would > > "set" and it was hard to scrape off too. SOOOO if it was "just right" >you > got a "good scald on it". In my family this was a friday after > >Thanksgiving ritual... > > > At 05:58 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > >My >grandmother used to say "forever more" whenever she was surprised. She > > >also used to say , when she was baking, "We got a real good scald on that > > >pie". She could not tell me what it meant. While watching Fried Green > > >Tomatoes, I finally figured out that it meant a nice golden color (I > > >think~!!) > > > > > > > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search over 1 Billion names at >Ancestry.com! > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== >MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with >one easy query! > > > > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== Create a FREE family website at >MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Most of my family had left MO by the 1840s, but the language lingers on. I was watching a program on the education channel some years ago about Appalachia (sp) sayings and dialect, it's history, changes and so forth, most of it is Scottish or Irish old language. When it was over, all I could say was, I hadn't traveled far with language, I thought everyone talked that way. When I was working for the local electrical company some years back, I summered in a department that took care of customer problems with either phone calls or letters. The supervisor after one class remarked "I just love listening to you talk, your so archaic" I still haven't decided whether to be insulted or complimented.

unscribe --- Esta714@aol.com wrote: > What wonderful memories am I having after reading > about the old sayings, so > many of them was used by my family in the years of > my growing up. Hog > killing time is still some of my most treasured > memories. I have a picture of > my grandfather Omer Webster Cowen standing next to a > hog hanging on a > single-tree just after it had been dipped into the > scolding water. We could > hardly wait for them to cut it down the middle, > because we knew that the > first thing they would do would be cut out the > tenderloin and slice it into > bite-size pieces for us to roast over the fire under > the kettle waiting for > the fat to be rendered for those pork rind treats. > One saying that I always heard and still hear it > today is I fixed a mess of > beans or poke greens. How much is a mess? My > grandfathers family was from > MO, by the way of Ark. When they talked they used > this very slow speech and > yo'all, youngins, > and many more. The people in the town of Paden, > Oklahoma refereed to it as > the Cowen draugh. > Thanks again for all the memories. > Esta Russell > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

Rita, I'll bet they didn't give up eating pork. How you been? Haven't heard from you for a while. Don't tune in to MOMARIES very much. You were probably at a pig roast. Did they eat the pig at the reunion? DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: Rita Myers <mamamia88@hotmail.com> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:19 PM Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] The way they talked > Devere, > During our local Heritage reunion one year they did this procedure. "Only" > one year....People complained. They hated the idea of actually seeing the > hog hanging there. (So much for that history lesson!) But I'll sure bet they > didn't give up eating pork! :-) > Rita > > > >From: "DeVere Whitaker" Reply-To: MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com To: > >MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] The way they talked Date: > >Tue, 12 Jun 2001 11:47:38 -0700 > > > >Monty, > > > >A lot of the farmers still use this method. The Friday after Thanksgiving > >was kind of a rule of thumb, because you had to have had a Killing Frost or > >be around 42 degrees so the meat wouldn't spoil. This was a big day and > >took the whole family. That brings back some memories of seeing that pig > >hanging by a rope over a limb waiting for that pot to get hot enough to > >lower it into the water. > > > >Sometimes the neighbors would all get together and butcher together. They > >would do this with chickens also. The more hands the better. > > > >DeVere > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: Monty Graves To: Sent: Tuesday, June 12, > >2001 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] The way they talked > > > > > > > I am sure lots of others on the list have heard "got a good scald on it" > > > > You probably hear more men say it than women. When men butchered hogs, > > > they had to dip them in scalding water. Then scrape off the hair and > > >outside skin. they didn't use thermoters, just by feel (my grandfather > > >dipped his finger!) Scalding water is 150 degrees. If the water was too > > >cold by a few degrees the hair would not slip and it was hard to remove > > >(scrape it off). If the water was too hot by a few degrees, the hair would > > > "set" and it was hard to scrape off too. SOOOO if it was "just right" > >you > got a "good scald on it". In my family this was a friday after > > >Thanksgiving ritual... > > > At 05:58 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > >My > >grandmother used to say "forever more" whenever she was surprised. She > > > >also used to say , when she was baking, "We got a real good scald on that > > > >pie". She could not tell me what it meant. While watching Fried Green > > > >Tomatoes, I finally figured out that it meant a nice golden color (I > > > >think~!!) > > > > > > > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search over 1 Billion names at > >Ancestry.com! > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== > >MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > > >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with > >one easy query! > > > > > > > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== Create a FREE family website at > >MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Monty, A lot of the farmers still use this method. The Friday after Thanksgiving was kind of a rule of thumb, because you had to have had a Killing Frost or be around 42 degrees so the meat wouldn't spoil. This was a big day and took the whole family. That brings back some memories of seeing that pig hanging by a rope over a limb waiting for that pot to get hot enough to lower it into the water. Sometimes the neighbors would all get together and butcher together. They would do this with chickens also. The more hands the better. DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: Monty Graves <mgraves@usmo.com> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [MOMARIES] The way they talked > I am sure lots of others on the list have heard "got a good scald on it" > > You probably hear more men say it than women. When men butchered hogs, > they had to dip them in scalding water. Then scrape off the hair and > outside skin. they didn't use thermoters, just by feel (my grandfather > dipped his finger!) Scalding water is 150 degrees. If the water was too > cold by a few degrees the hair would not slip and it was hard to remove > (scrape it off). If the water was too hot by a few degrees, the hair would > "set" and it was hard to scrape off too. SOOOO if it was "just right" you > got a "good scald on it". In my family this was a friday after > Thanksgiving ritual... > > > At 05:58 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote: > >My grandmother used to say "forever more" whenever she was surprised. She > >also used to say , when she was baking, "We got a real good scald on that > >pie". She could not tell me what it meant. While watching Fried Green > >Tomatoes, I finally figured out that it meant a nice golden color (I > >think~!!) > > > > > > > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >============================== > >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

I am sure lots of others on the list have heard "got a good scald on it" You probably hear more men say it than women. When men butchered hogs, they had to dip them in scalding water. Then scrape off the hair and outside skin. they didn't use thermoters, just by feel (my grandfather dipped his finger!) Scalding water is 150 degrees. If the water was too cold by a few degrees the hair would not slip and it was hard to remove (scrape it off). If the water was too hot by a few degrees, the hair would "set" and it was hard to scrape off too. SOOOO if it was "just right" you got a "good scald on it". In my family this was a friday after Thanksgiving ritual... At 05:58 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >My grandmother used to say "forever more" whenever she was surprised. She >also used to say , when she was baking, "We got a real good scald on that >pie". She could not tell me what it meant. While watching Fried Green >Tomatoes, I finally figured out that it meant a nice golden color (I >think~!!) > > > >==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

My grandmother used to say "forever more" whenever she was surprised. She also used to say , when she was baking, "We got a real good scald on that pie". She could not tell me what it meant. While watching Fried Green Tomatoes, I finally figured out that it meant a nice golden color (I think~!!)

Posted on: Maries Co MO Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mo/Maries/10748 Surname: Hickey, Lawson, Green, Wyrick ------------------------- Nellie Mae Wilson was born in Maries Co, to Le Roy Wilson and Hannah Delila Hickey but her mother's parents John Thomas Hickey married Sarah J. Lawson 30 Jun 1867 in Miller County MO, he was the son of Granville Hickey and Hanna Wyrick. Sarah was the daughter of Nathan Lawson and Delila S.Green. e-mail me directly for sources and notes.

While were on this subject, has anyone ever heard the expression (And I'm working phonetically here) "You'll fall down and break your "Pile Crane"?" My granny (who used to "swan to her soul" as well) constantly admonished me with this line and I NEVER could figure out what it meant. And now, to my chagrin, I find myself blurting it out at children zooming through the house and yard. :) -----Original Message----- From: Rita Myers [mailto:mamamia88@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 5:27 PM To: MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOMARIES] Old sayings I remember my dad's favorite saying as...."Well now don't that beat a hen a 'peckin!" Sayings all change with the times. I have a 13 yr. old son,& it seems he's always comimg up with some silly slang expression. His children will no doubt laugh at his words some day too. :-) Rita _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

My Mama likes to say "Oh flitter" when she is frusterated. I have heard her say "I"ll Swan" but is sounded like "I'll Swun".

I had never heard ya'all until we came to Illinois. I always thought that was "southern" talk. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com Sent: 6/9/2001 6:04:24 PM Subject: [MOMARIES] The way they talked How about " youngin" for a child or you'ins, used like ya'll. ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Max Boyd --- n9mx@earthlink.net

How about " youngin" for a child or you'ins, used like ya'll.

I remember my dad's favorite saying as...."Well now don't that beat a hen a 'peckin!" Sayings all change with the times. I have a 13 yr. old son,& it seems he's always comimg up with some silly slang expression. His children will no doubt laugh at his words some day too. :-) Rita _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

This was one of Mom's favorite sayings. I always took it to mean, "I never seen or heard anything like that before". Her other was "It's your possum, you wool it". DeVere ----- Original Message ----- From: Melinda K. Elmore <mkelmore@tranquility.net> To: <MOMARIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 8:51 AM Subject: [MOMARIES] Well, I'll Swan > My Maries County ancestors frequently used the phrase, ³Well, I swan.² This > was used as you might use, ³Well, I¹ll be darned.² I have even heard my > grandma say, ³Well, I¹ll swan to my time.² At least I think that is what > she was saying. > > I was surfing around and ran into the explanation below, which I thought was > interesting. > Melinda > > ------------------------------------------------------- > From: Rick Housh <rickhoush@csi.com> > Subject: [Missouri-L] MISSOURI SLANG "I Swan" > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:12:01 -0600 > > Here's what the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) says about "I Swan" > > It is American slang, probably derived from a phrase from a Northern England > dialect, "Is Wan" which means literally, "I shall warrant," or "I'll be > bound." Not quite so literally, "I swear." Interestingly, one example > given is from the Missouri Intelligencer of May 20, 1823: "I swan it is!" > Probably the most relevant example in this context is the > following from 1842: " 'Well! I swan!' said the mamma." > > While we're on the subject, "Swan song," as a description of someone's last > act in life, (or some phase of it) is derived from the once-popular belief > that every swan broke into song just before it died. > > At 00:29 03/01/1999 EST, you wrote: > >In a message dated 2/28/99 8:21:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, mecha@matnet.com > >writes: > > > ><< I was born and raised in Texas and we said, "I'll swan" and "I'll be," > meaning as you say below, "Well I'll be!" But my folks were from MO! > > >> > >Hi Everyone, > >I have had such a great time reading all these "slang" expressions that I went > out a bought a couple of books -- sure enough -- neither of them have "i'll > >swan" --- oh well......take care - Emma > > > >==== Missouri Mailing List ==== > >See http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mo.htm for all > >the available MO county lists. > > > > > > ==== MOMARIES Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

My Maries County ancestors frequently used the phrase, ³Well, I swan.² This was used as you might use, ³Well, I¹ll be darned.² I have even heard my grandma say, ³Well, I¹ll swan to my time.² At least I think that is what she was saying. I was surfing around and ran into the explanation below, which I thought was interesting. Melinda ------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick Housh <rickhoush@csi.com> Subject: [Missouri-L] MISSOURI SLANG "I Swan" Date: Mon, 01 Mar 1999 01:12:01 -0600 Here's what the OED (Oxford English Dictionary) says about "I Swan" It is American slang, probably derived from a phrase from a Northern England dialect, "Is Wan" which means literally, "I shall warrant," or "I'll be bound." Not quite so literally, "I swear." Interestingly, one example given is from the Missouri Intelligencer of May 20, 1823: "I swan it is!" Probably the most relevant example in this context is the following from 1842: " 'Well! I swan!' said the mamma." While we're on the subject, "Swan song," as a description of someone's last act in life, (or some phase of it) is derived from the once-popular belief that every swan broke into song just before it died. At 00:29 03/01/1999 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 2/28/99 8:21:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, mecha@matnet.com >writes: > ><< I was born and raised in Texas and we said, "I'll swan" and "I'll be," meaning as you say below, "Well I'll be!" But my folks were from MO! > >> >Hi Everyone, >I have had such a great time reading all these "slang" expressions that I went out a bought a couple of books -- sure enough -- neither of them have "i'll >swan" --- oh well......take care - Emma > >==== Missouri Mailing List ==== >See http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/mo.htm for all >the available MO county lists.

Posted on: Maries Co MO Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mo/Maries/10747 Surname: Wilson, Dodson, Hickey ------------------------- Maries County My great grandmother was born in Maries. Nellie Mae Wilson b. 1902 married Virgil L. Dodson - her father was Lee Roy Wilson married to Hannah Delila Hickey. Looking for any information. Thanks Brandy

Posted on: Maries Co MO Query Forum Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Mo/Maries/10746 Surname: Kates, Doyal ------------------------- Elisha Kates m. Martha Hancock(Doyal) 12-3-1870, Maries Cty My husband' grfather was John Westley Kates b. 6-17-1879 to Elisha and Martha. John m. Mary E.Maston(Masten) at Gerster, Mo. 4-27-1904 Looking for any family connections to John or Elisha.