Hi I have recently subscribed to the Madison County List and being unfamiliar with the area I don't know what you have available for research purposes, but if Madison County should have a cemetery book I would much appreciate someone being so kind as to do a look-up for me. I have just learned that I have family buried in Masonic cemetery in Fredericktown. and am searching for birth and death dates. The names are Rev. Robert F. Carroll and his wife Josephine E. Pratt Carroll . I believe Robert died in 1941 and Josephine died after him but I have no idea when. They had 2 sons William Oscar and Floyd that I would appreciate any inffo on , as well. They also had a daughter ,Lula Agnes Carroll Long, who I have just learned may be still alive and living in that area. Any help would be most appreciated. betty Tucker Pocahontas, Arkansas

Hi I am brand new to this list so please forgive me if I am asking the wrong things in the wrong place. Is there anyone who does court house lookups for Madison county? I would be very happy to do the same for anyone who needs information in Perry County. Thank you Billie R. Mills

Hello all, Does anyone have access to the cemetery records for Christian cemetery. I think, but not sure, that it is part of Christian Baptist Church, in Fredericktown. I know of 2 family members buried there. I am looking for more. I am looking for the name DEE, DAYand TRESSLER. Does anyone have any suggestions on ways to get this information? Any help is appreciated. Leslie Dee Hinton, Oklahoma

Hi I'm new to the list and searching for the Mouser family. Henry Mouser b. abt 1782, son of Michael Mouser, married about 1820 to Marguerette ______. Marriages are not recorded in Madison that early though the county was formed. Does anyone have any information on the Mousers or an idea where this marriage might have taken place? Michele Brooks

Looking for infro on a Henry "Nay" Cobb and Letha Vaughn. Would like infro on their children. They are buried at Calvary/Catholic Cem. Also James & Dora (Hughs) Cooper. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Believed that Henry & Letha had a son named Glen. Thank you, Lloyd Carter lopj1950@tds.net

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I have written to the list before, but nobody had anything. Since then I have found that my gg-grandparents full names (before all I had was Isaac L. Choate and Louisa... well now I have found that Isaac's real name was Israel L. Choat of St. Francois County, MO he married Louisa Kelly of St. Francois County, MO on November 18, 1855 by JP William Simpson found this info in Vol. 2 1852-1876 of St. Francois County Marriage records. Can anyone help me with either Israel or Louisa? Thanks Deb Talondlw@aol.com

Good Morning! This is my first posting to the site and I am hoping that someone in Missouri will have a connection with my family. I have been researching this line for about 4 years and have hit brick walls. Last night I had it, and subscribed to every single Missouri county, so maybe I will have a breakthrough, or at least help someone else. This may be quite lengthy and if anyone needs clearification if I dont make sense somewhere, please let me know: Calvin Blankenship was born in Tennessee est. 1820-25. I know absolutely nothing about his parents, but in 1850 he was living next door to Wiliam and Pamela Jane Blankenship and their daughter Nancy, who was born in 1850. William was born a year or two after Calvin and he was also born in TN. I have to assume that they are related if not brothers. Calvin first appeared on the Texas County, District # 98 1850 Census with his Wife Delilah who was born in IL, her parents were born in TN, and three children: William P Angeline and James. His son, William was born abt. 1844 in MO so that indicates that they were in Missouri at least by 1844. By 1860, it is now called Boon Township and they have five more children : Nancy, Franklin, John, David, and Martha E. Calvin enlisted into the Confederate Army in 1861 and died in 1864. No military record exsists other than his Muster Roll. Then in 1870 and 1880 Delilah is the head of the household and in 1870 Henry (my gg grandfather) has appeared on the census for the first time. Deliah died between 1880-1883. She and Calvin are buried at Mitchell Cemetery. CALVIN AND DELIAH's CHildren and decendents I have only been about to locate two of Calvin's children on the census other than my gg grandfather: David b. abt 1857 married Margaret Sullins (daughter of Reuben Sullins) on May 6, 1886 in Licking Missouri. They had sic children: Dolts, Mary,Elmer,Alta (married Thomas Richards),Maggie, and lola. Angeline married Logan D. Harper. They had four girls: 1. Nancy Eliza : b. 1866 m. John W. Mitchell on July 23,1883 (Franklin Blankenship consented) in Licking, Missouri. They had 8 kids:William H, Carl L, Winnie M, Alma L, David, Justine, Eddie and Henry. 2. Mary, died young 3. Lucy b. 1870 married a Williams 4. Laura Ellen b. Sept 16, 1873 m. Edward Buckner (son of Thomas and Viney Buckner) had 6 kids: William Franklin b. Feb 10, 1893 m. Bertha Murr Logan James b. April 27, 1895 d. Mar 22, 1988 m. Thimsen Scranko and Mary Cochran Ethel b. July 1897 m. Hebrew Sukkins on Jan 30, 1915 Bryan b. Dec 22, 1899 m. Blanche Hobson Charles Allen b. Dec 22, 1903 m. Nell Hobson, d. April 2,1973 Ava Ruth b. Oct 18, 1905 Henry married Lillie Ellen Smith, daughter of James E. Madison Smith and Margaret Ellen Stricklin. They had 2 sons, Irven who married Rhoda Ormsby and Virgil who married Grace Viola Adkins, daughter of Charles Adkins and Hester Gatewood. I hope I made sense, and more importantly, a connection!

Dear Southern Researchers: Please join us for one or all of the following Southern States chats: http://huntsville.about.com/mpchat.htm All times Eastern--subtract (minus!) 1 hr. for Central; 2 hrs. for Mt.; 3 hrs. for Pacific time zones Tuesday: WEST VIRGINIA genealogy, 8 pm Eastern Tuesday: SOUTH CAROLINA genealogy, 10 pm Eastern Tuesday: MISSOURI genealogy, 11 pm Eastern Wednesday: NORTH CAROLINA genealogy, 7 pm Eastern Thursday: ARKANSAS genealogy, 7 pm Eastern Thursday: KENTUCKY genealogy, 8 pm Eastern Thursday: SOUTHERN STATES genealogy, 9 pm Eastern Thursday: Featured State genealogy (changes every week), 10 pm Eastern Saturday: SOUTHERN STATES genealogy (any surname)8 pm Eastern Saturday: CIVIL WAR genealogy (all states; any surname or unit) 9 pm Eastern--Confederates 10 pm Eastern--Union Sunday: VIRGINIA genealogy, 10 pm Eastern Monday: MISSISSIPPI genealogy, 9 pm Eastern Monday: ALABAMA genealogy, 10 pm Eastern Monday: TENNESSEE genealogy, 11 pm Eastern You can find transcripts of last week's chats online at http://huntsville.about.com/blrecords.htm Please feel free to pass this message on to others who might be interested. Also, post YOUR surnames on our forum and read the almost 700 messages--from all over the US--already posted there: http://forums.about.com/ab-huntsville If you need instructions for the chat room or the forum, just let me know. Jean Brandau huntsville2@home.com

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Eric, ----- The information I have states that the Lachances came from New Bourbon and helped settle St. Michael's Village. Nicholas LaChance was my 4th great grandfather. My 3rd great grandfather, Peter Chevalier, also helped settle St. Michael 's and my info indicates that he came from Aux Vase but I don't where the heck it is or was. Jim Brookes St. Ann, Mo.

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Dear Kathy, My John and William were born about 1798 and 1800. Both appear to have been born or were from SC. The Madison Co connection came about because of a reference made that "Uncle Billy Vaughan had met an aquaintance of his who he had know back in Fredericktown." This meeting took place in Northern AR and the friend was convinced to move to Hempstead Co., where the Vaughan Bros lived. John married Amelia Bennett abt 1828 ,who was the daughter of Elisha Bennett and Nancy Unknown. John Vaughan was the executor of Elisha's will when he died. I have no record of the Vaughan's in AR before 1820. In Elisha's estate probate in 1830, John Vaughan was the executor. it mentions that his wife and two other daughter's Artimessia and Polly were in MO when he died. Artimessia later moved to Hempstead Co., and married Nathanial BRITTAIN. in 1834. Elisha Bennett seems to have been a traveling peddler of some sort judging by the itemized listing of his estate. The estate was settled when AR was still Missouri Terr John and Amelia had three children, Jane born 12 July 1830 in AR Josephine was born about 1832 and Josiah Bennett Vaughan was born about 1833. John died 22 December 1846. I have a copy of his will and also his Obituary. Jane, who is my ancestor, married Fielding Shumate ROY and move to Travis Co., TX by 1853. Josephine was the second wife of Jacob CUSTER. He was much older then she. Josiah B. married Virginia (Jennie) VANN and they had 5 children. Both Josephine and Josiah B lived in AR untill they died. Josiah died in 1913 in Texarkana in Miller County. I was able to visit Hempstead Co., and the South Western AR archives this June and found quite a bit of background information. (I could have spent weeks there.) I bought a book called the Printer's Devil which is a collection of columns of reminisces of Hempstead County and the people. This is where the mention of Fredericktown is found. I cannot lay my hands on the book at this moment but will look for it. William B is married to Lucy unknown on the 1850 census. She may be a second wife. I found a marriage record in Williamson county TN between a William Vaughan and Lucy Poynor but it was after the birth of most of William's Children. and I can't fiqure out how they met in TN It could very well not be them. There are five children known to be William B's : Amelia Ann, who married HICKS Benjamin, Thomas, Juliet and Mary Elizabeth. It strikes me that the man who William met with was named Newberry and there is a Newberry family in Hempstead. Could be wishful thinking. Thank you for all your information and I hope that what I have sent is helpful. Susan Young Ashland OR

Hello: I have some Calliott dit LaChance family in our tree - I understand that they helped settle St. Gen or St. Michaels or New Bourbon in Madison County - Does anyone have any information on this? I also have some family in River Aux Vases but couldn't find it on the map. Does anyone know about this town or river or even what it means? Thanks

The "Historical Madison County Society" is planning on putting a bronze plaque on the Fredericktown Court House with the names of soldiers who settled in Madison County. Your help will be appreciated in finding the names of these soldiers. Geraldine Sanders Smith email: brownoaks@AOL.com

Where can we get more information about this project. I'm certain that some of our Kelly ancestors who settled in Marquand were Rev. War soldiers, but I haven't proven it yet. Is there a deadline on this project? Shelly Kelly Galveston TX BROWNOAKS@aol.com wrote: > The "Historical Madison County Society" is planning on putting a bronze > plaque on the Fredericktown Court House with the names of soldiers who > settled in Madison County. > Your help will be appreciated in finding the names of these soldiers. > Geraldine Sanders Smith email: brownoaks@AOL.com

Genealogical Researchers in Missouri: Let's really push for opening of the Missouri vital records 72 years or older. This will require legislative action. Let's get it passed in the up-coming session! Surely, it would be beneficial, during the present campaign, to present this issue to the candidates for state legislature and state senate. The following may help you in your contacts with the candidates in your district. Keep it non-partisan. Dear Legislator Candidate: Many, many Missourians are keenly interested in family history. However, some are impeded by a problem that exists with regard to the State Vital Records Office and which, indeed, would exist in any similar situation. The time has arrived for microfilm copies of the Missouri vital records (72 years old or older), and indexes at the State Vital Records Office in the Department of Health to be made available to the public at the State Archives. A 72-year interval is not arbitrary. Owing to the Federal regulation that census data remain closed for 72 years, that interval has become a de facto standard in the USA. A 72-year interval suffices for privacy. Justification: Family Historians must be enabled to study record after record, not just seek one record at a time, and especially not have to work through an intermediary person or to depend on an index. That is essential, because of the many problems in interpretation of hand-written records, many typos, many spelling variations in names, even many variations in names themselves. There are many entries in which the surnames are mis-spelled. Here is an example. One researcher's great-grandma's married name was Zakrzewski, a name that, with the silent 'k', is more often butchered than not. She died in St. Louis some time after May, 1910. Surely, her death is recorded in the State Vital Records office The only practical way to find her death data would be to search all the surnames that begin "Za", "Ze", "Sa" or "Se" in that time period. Repeated tries thru the Vital Records Office have been costly, but not successful. In another case, a researcher submitted formal requests and fees to a vital records office (not Jefferson City) for his aunt's birth and death dates. He knew, and stated, that she was born and had died in the 1890s. They reported finding neither birth nor death records. As it happens, those older birth and death records are open. When he reviewed the microfilms, he found both her birth and death data. And he found that her birth name differed from her baptismal name and from her name at death! The latter had been the only name that he had known for her. Perhaps that vital records office's index cards were out of sequence. More likely, they had her recorded by only one of her names. Because hand-written capital letters are the most troublesome, it often happens that indexes are severely deficient. Yet a governmental office can only check via an index. The Soundex system is similarly deficient, for it, too, depends on the surname initial. All that is needed is to add to Sect. 193.245 of RSMO 1994 a new sub-paragraph as follows: (4) The department shall provide microfilms of all vital records that are 72 years old or older, and microfilms of indexes to all such records, to the State Archives for study by the public. In January of each year, the department shall provide microfilms of all vital records that have become 72 years old or older within the prior year, and microfilms of indexes to all such records, to the State Archives for study by the public. Please note that this would in no way interfere with the present practices of the vital records office. In the most-recent legislature, different bills were introduced into each house, and hearings were held, but no action has yet been taken. Will you support family researchers in this effort? Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks

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--WebTV-Mail-12996-1781 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This cemetery is being moved due to the airport expanding. I thought you all would like the surname list to check that was forwarded to me. This is pretty sad, no r.i.p here. If you all have any questions the address below is where you need to reply to, I have no other information. Beth --WebTV-Mail-12996-1781 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id F26AD125; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: heartofroots@webtv.net Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE46160 for <heartofroots@webtv.net>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MSmith3030@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.72.3448526 (4006) for <heartofroots@webtv.net>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MSmith3030@aol.com Message-ID: <72.3448526.26fe1ce8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:49:12 EDT Subject: Re: Cemetery, St. Louis To: heartofroots@webtv.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK Bridgeton, Missouri This burying ground at 4616 Long Road was made into a memorial park in 1962. In 1959 several lawsuits were filed against the City for allowing the cemetery to deteriorate. Individual stones had already been removed "through error and misunderstanding" but members of the Bridgeton Historical Commission were able to learn the names of some who were buried there and a large monument was erected in 1963 which bears this inscription, "We honor the people buried here. They were part of this nations adventure and their vision lighted the path we follow today." At the dedication ceremonies, Mrs. Anna Wilson gave a talk about colored veterans who are buried here. Records indicate that the cemetery was integrated from its beginning in 1958. It was in use as late as 1954 and at least 100 people are buried in the two acres. On the bronze plaque of the monument are the following names: Annie Adams Auston Edwards Enoch Mumps Edward Walker Benjamin Adams Auston Edwards, Jr. Elio Phillips Kit Walker George Adams Grace Edwards Eliza Phillips Lizzie Walker Lottie Adams Katie Edwards Ike Phillips Quiller Walker Ben Alexander The Galliger Family Tilly Phillips Tommy Walker George Alexander Almiria Grannison Walter Phillips Barbara White Henry Alexander Creed Hall Bell Pruitt John White Lucy Alexander Creed Hall, Jr. The Pueroa Family Noah White Eugene Allen Hillard Hall Fred Riddle Shibina White Arthur Bassett Hiram Hall James Robertson Alice Wilson Dr. William Berry Jack Haggerty Will Rush Ernest Wilson Febie Bivens The Heidron Children Baron Scott Geroge Wilson George Bivens Lizzie Hodge Louise Scott Theodore Woodson Lizzie Bivens Steve Hodge Lydia Scott Baby Woolfolk Millie Bivens The Horn Family Laura Smith Hadley Woolfolk Rafe Bivens Nasrus Jackson Roberta Stanton Gibson Wright Samuel Bivens Amy Johnson Lewis Stevenson Hiram Wright Cosley Black George Johnson Fred Steward Mamie Wright Edward Black Julia Johnson Henry Stocker Green Young Hiram Black Robert Johnson Joseph Taylor Mary Ann Young King Black Turner Johnson Abe Thompson Skip Young Sam Balck Mr. Knight Henry Thompson Bell Carter Henry Lewis Hiram Thompson Lilly Cheeks Hal Lint Jenny Thompson Henry Clanton Luvenia Lint Mamie Tucker Fred Dickson The McClure Family Barney Vonsray Joe Duglas, Jr. Jessie Moore Texas Hall Wadlington This list was given to me by The Missouri Historical Society P.O. Box 11940 St. Louis, Missouri 63112-0040 (314) 746-4599 There is a Shirley Wotawa that is seeking information about the persons buried here. If you can help with this project, please contact her at 9512 Glen Owen, Ferguson, Missouri 63136. This address is from the fall of 1998. You can also contact the St. Louis Dept. of Parks and Recreation Historical Preservation Office at (314) 615-0357. After 3 hours on the phone and the typing....that I'm not that good at...I hope this will help some of you. Pat Jones Smith St, Louis, Missouri --WebTV-Mail-12996-1781--

--WebTV-Mail-8265-745 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit This cemetery is being moved due to the airport expanding. I thought you all would like the surname list to check that was forwarded to me. This is pretty sad, no r.i.p here. If you all have any questions the address below is where you need to reply to, I have no other information. Beth --WebTV-Mail-8265-745 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.121) by storefull-178.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id F26AD125; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: heartofroots@webtv.net Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (imo-r10.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.10]) by smtpin-102-3.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE46160 for <heartofroots@webtv.net>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MSmith3030@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id 2.72.3448526 (4006) for <heartofroots@webtv.net>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:49:12 -0400 (EDT) From: MSmith3030@aol.com Message-ID: <72.3448526.26fe1ce8@aol.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:49:12 EDT Subject: Re: Cemetery, St. Louis To: heartofroots@webtv.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 120 BRIDGETON MEMORIAL PARK Bridgeton, Missouri This burying ground at 4616 Long Road was made into a memorial park in 1962. In 1959 several lawsuits were filed against the City for allowing the cemetery to deteriorate. Individual stones had already been removed "through error and misunderstanding" but members of the Bridgeton Historical Commission were able to learn the names of some who were buried there and a large monument was erected in 1963 which bears this inscription, "We honor the people buried here. They were part of this nations adventure and their vision lighted the path we follow today." At the dedication ceremonies, Mrs. Anna Wilson gave a talk about colored veterans who are buried here. Records indicate that the cemetery was integrated from its beginning in 1958. It was in use as late as 1954 and at least 100 people are buried in the two acres. On the bronze plaque of the monument are the following names: Annie Adams Auston Edwards Enoch Mumps Edward Walker Benjamin Adams Auston Edwards, Jr. Elio Phillips Kit Walker George Adams Grace Edwards Eliza Phillips Lizzie Walker Lottie Adams Katie Edwards Ike Phillips Quiller Walker Ben Alexander The Galliger Family Tilly Phillips Tommy Walker George Alexander Almiria Grannison Walter Phillips Barbara White Henry Alexander Creed Hall Bell Pruitt John White Lucy Alexander Creed Hall, Jr. The Pueroa Family Noah White Eugene Allen Hillard Hall Fred Riddle Shibina White Arthur Bassett Hiram Hall James Robertson Alice Wilson Dr. William Berry Jack Haggerty Will Rush Ernest Wilson Febie Bivens The Heidron Children Baron Scott Geroge Wilson George Bivens Lizzie Hodge Louise Scott Theodore Woodson Lizzie Bivens Steve Hodge Lydia Scott Baby Woolfolk Millie Bivens The Horn Family Laura Smith Hadley Woolfolk Rafe Bivens Nasrus Jackson Roberta Stanton Gibson Wright Samuel Bivens Amy Johnson Lewis Stevenson Hiram Wright Cosley Black George Johnson Fred Steward Mamie Wright Edward Black Julia Johnson Henry Stocker Green Young Hiram Black Robert Johnson Joseph Taylor Mary Ann Young King Black Turner Johnson Abe Thompson Skip Young Sam Balck Mr. Knight Henry Thompson Bell Carter Henry Lewis Hiram Thompson Lilly Cheeks Hal Lint Jenny Thompson Henry Clanton Luvenia Lint Mamie Tucker Fred Dickson The McClure Family Barney Vonsray Joe Duglas, Jr. Jessie Moore Texas Hall Wadlington This list was given to me by The Missouri Historical Society P.O. Box 11940 St. Louis, Missouri 63112-0040 (314) 746-4599 There is a Shirley Wotawa that is seeking information about the persons buried here. If you can help with this project, please contact her at 9512 Glen Owen, Ferguson, Missouri 63136. This address is from the fall of 1998. You can also contact the St. Louis Dept. of Parks and Recreation Historical Preservation Office at (314) 615-0357. After 3 hours on the phone and the typing....that I'm not that good at...I hope this will help some of you. Pat Jones Smith St, Louis, Missouri --WebTV-Mail-8265-745--