Dear wonderful Lawrence Co. researchers, Thank you for your gracious and timely responses to my post. You are so very kind! This post is lengthy but hopefully helpful to someone! Where to begin? I need to ask questions and can't tell which way to pull at this knot of information. So, please forgive and excuse me if I tug in the wrong direction a bit as I try to untangle information. I am sure you understand the dilemma. (sigh) I'll start with a few of the definite things I know...Please indulge the wishy-washy as I try to share. I am a firm believe that if I choose to remain silent in order to avoid embarrassing myself, I am thwarting any progress. To some extent, I don't know what I am volunteering other than what I know...and maybe someone will see something and will tug in a direction that will help more than just myself. My great grandmother was an American Indian and her name supposely was Elizabeth Anderson and her family and friends in Newton COunty knew her as "Claypipe." I have heard of Elizabeth (ANDERSON) SHIPMAN aka "Claypipe" all my life and telling my once blackhair high cheekboned father (age 79) that his grandmother was not Indian would be like telling him that she and all 10 of his siblings are purple. While Claypipe and Daniel lived in Newton County they resided in an area frankly also relegated perhaps by social stigma at that time as the area of town where other Amer.Indian families lived. I believe I also have one early newspaper account of her also working in a pharmacy of the WOOD family. I have known my entire life of Claypipe working with Newton Co. physician Herr Wood as an Indian herbalist midwife (she lived across the road). I could take you to the very spot. I have known my entire life that supposedly Claypipe's English name was Elizabeth (Anderson) Shipman. She and my great grandfather were married in Lawrence County in July of 1856. I grew up hearing of these 2 people as though they were still alive and able to be a part of the Sunday gatherings of Shipman clan...and have gathered the stories for over 30 years. (I am 50...can't believe I am volunteering that one!) :-) When the Shipman, McNutt, Anderson and Landers families supposedly left the Bedford, County, TN area they settled into the area of Mt. Vernon, Berwick, Granby, etc,. The Shipmans owned lots of land and I won't even go into all that right now. I have census information for 1860, 1870, 1910 that shows Daniel and Elizabeth/Claypipe in Granby and with children and eventually as their family grew with the addition of my grandfather John Wesley SHIPMAN, born 1870. I started my online research in 1999 and dropped off in 2001 as we relocated from Vancouver to the Kansas City Metro area and have now rather determiinedly decided to find their place of burial...Like many of you...I won't give up! :-) Due to the fact that some distant SHIPMANs show up on Choctaw Nation files...I pulled that thread thinking maybe there was some chance some ANDERSON researcher knew something that I didn't about a Choctaw link...I figured it was going nowhere and think I have proven that point! Oh well. :-) Now! Let me clarify something if I can. The McNUTT and McNATT faimiles are two separate entities. As if doing research is not difficult enough, lucky me, I get to connect to both...making things even more of a Twilight Zone experience! My gr gr grandfather (Daniel's father) was also a Daniel SHIPMAN, born 1790, TN; died 1851. He was married to Melia McNUTT before 1820 in TN. After her death he married Dianna (Dicy) ANDERSON, 1843 in Barry County, MO. From his first marriage to Melia McNUTT his children included my gr grandfather Daniel SHIPMAN who married Elizabeth "Claypipe" ANDERSON. It was from this same marriage that he also had Wm. T. SHIPMAN, another brother who supposedly married Sarah ANDERSON, "Claypipe's" sister...who was supposedly also Amer. Indian...and who I also have a photo of which depicts a woman who quite definitely "looks" to be of Amer. Indian lineage...not by any small chance. I don't know any other way to say it... I understand there was another SHIPMAN brother who also married yet another ANDERSON sister. Melia McNUTT's parents were supposedly a David and Rachel Cate McNUTT/NUTT. I was told that Melia McNUTT's father supposedly wished to shorten the name to NUTT and did so and unfortunately (for research sake) some of their children went by McNUTT and others by the NUTT surname. Several years ago, another researcher gave me information which reads that Sarah J. ANDERSON's parents were Richard and Martha and that Richard ANDERSON's parents were Phillip ANDERSON and Mary "Polly" McNATT. Polly having been born in 1787. TN. Thus I presume I am connected then to both McNUTT and McNATT lineage. I am sure you are weary from reading such a lengthy post. I am a teacher and therefore need to spare a few braincells for the reamining weeks of this schoolyear. Thank you again for anything anyone can do to get this knot untangled! Deb (SHIPMAN) ROWE --- Robert Strong <[email protected]> wrote: > Deb, > > Richard Anderson is my great great grandfather. I > am descended from his > youngest son, Zacharia Taylor Anderson. I have > spent considerable time > researching this family. While I don't have all the > answers, what I do have > can be viewed at my website: > http://azstrong.tripod.com/jd_letha (there is > an _ between jd and letha). > > Unfortunately, you will not find anything there > regarding possible Indian > ancestry in the Anderson family. No such evidence > has come to my attention; > indeed, you are the first Anderson descendant I've > met to even have a family > story about Indian ancestry. I suspect this belief > probably originated in > the fact that many in this family moved from > Lawrence Co., MO to Indian > Territory and became assimilated into the Choctaw > Nation. You may want to > contact the descendant of Sarah (Anderson) Shipman > noted on my website, who > I believe will confirm that regardless of the > photograph you've seen, she > was not of Indian descent. I have also seen > photographs of Green Berry > Anderson and he does not appear to be of Indian > descent. > > As you will see at my website, Richard's parents > were Philip Anderson and > Polly McNatt. You are correct that the Anderson and > McNatt families moved > together from Bedford/Lincoln Co., TN to > Barry/Lawrence Co., MO. I've long > suspected the Shipmans moved about the same time. > There is no evidence that > I am aware of that shows they first went to the > Choctaw Nation -- the > Choctaws themselves were just beginning the Trail of > Tears from Mississippi. > While I've seen the name McNatt rendered McNutt in > some transcriptions of > records, I have never seen just the Nutt version. > > Hopefully we can be of help to each other in other > ways. Did you know that > there was yet another Anderson daughter who married > a Shipman? Sophia > married Isaac. I do not have much information about > your Anderson ancestor > and her family. I would appreciate a list of > children with accompanying > detail. I will be glad to add you as a contact > person for this line to my > website if you will provide me with the necessary > contact information. > > I'm sorry not to be of any help in your quest to > find Indian ancestry. My > grandmother, Tilitha Anderson, married John DeWitt > Bowers in Indian > Territory. Our family story has always been that > his mother, Polly Majors, > was half Cherokee. I have been fortunate to have > found some supporting > evidence. Her mother was a member of the Leffew > family of Grainger Co., TN > and Rockland Co., NC before that. After the death > of the partriarch of the > family about 1800, the children started being > enumerated as "free other" in > the censuses. While there are other possible > explanations for this > classification, it is at least consistent with our > family stories and the > family stories of collateral Leffew lines. > > You are to be congratulated for attempting to prove > a family story and I > expect you will continue the quest. I ask only that > you remain open to the > possibility it is just a story. > > Robert Strong > Scottsdale, AZ > > > > ==== MOLAWREN Mailing List ==== > More Lawrence County information can be found at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~molawre2/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com

I have some info on this family....I've sent one e-amil and not to sure if it went to MOLAWREN-L. So trying again. Maybe if you e-mailed me. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Rowe" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN-L] Richard ANDERSON family > Dear wonderful Lawrence Co. researchers, > > Thank you for your gracious and timely responses to my > post. You are so very kind! This post is lengthy but > hopefully helpful to someone! > > Where to begin? I need to ask questions and can't tell > which way to pull at this knot of information. So, > please forgive and excuse me if I tug in the wrong > direction a bit as I try to untangle information. I am > sure you understand the dilemma. (sigh) > > I'll start with a few of the definite things I > know...Please indulge the wishy-washy as I try to > share. I am a firm believe that if I choose to remain > silent in order to avoid embarrassing myself, I am > thwarting any progress. To some extent, I don't know > what I am volunteering other than what I know...and > maybe someone will see something and will tug in a > direction that will help more than just myself. > > My great grandmother was an American Indian and her > name supposely was Elizabeth Anderson and her family > and friends in Newton COunty knew her as "Claypipe." I > have heard of Elizabeth (ANDERSON) SHIPMAN aka > "Claypipe" all my life and telling my once blackhair > high cheekboned father (age 79) that his grandmother > was not Indian would be like telling him that she and > all 10 of his siblings are purple. While Claypipe and > Daniel lived in Newton County they resided in an area > frankly also relegated perhaps by social stigma at > that time as the area of town where other Amer.Indian > families lived. I believe I also have one early > newspaper account of her also working in a pharmacy of > the WOOD family. > > I have known my entire life of Claypipe working with > Newton Co. physician Herr Wood as an Indian herbalist > midwife (she lived across the road). I could take you > to the very spot. I have known my entire life that > supposedly Claypipe's English name was Elizabeth > (Anderson) Shipman. She and my great grandfather were > married in Lawrence County in July of 1856. I grew up > hearing of these 2 people as though they were still > alive and able to be a part of the Sunday gatherings > of Shipman clan...and have gathered the stories for > over 30 years. (I am 50...can't believe I am > volunteering that one!) :-) When the Shipman, McNutt, > Anderson and Landers families supposedly left the > Bedford, County, TN area they settled into the area of > Mt. Vernon, Berwick, Granby, etc,. The Shipmans owned > lots of land and I won't even go into all that right > now. I have census information for 1860, 1870, 1910 > that shows Daniel and Elizabeth/Claypipe in Granby and > with children and eventually as their family grew with > the addition of my grandfather John Wesley SHIPMAN, > born 1870. > > I started my online research in 1999 and dropped off > in 2001 as we relocated from Vancouver to the Kansas > City Metro area and have now rather determiinedly > decided to find their place of burial...Like many of > you...I won't give up! :-) > > Due to the fact that some distant SHIPMANs show up on > Choctaw Nation files...I pulled that thread thinking > maybe there was some chance some ANDERSON researcher > knew something that I didn't about a Choctaw link...I > figured it was going nowhere and think I have proven > that point! Oh well. :-) > > Now! Let me clarify something if I can. The McNUTT and > McNATT faimiles are two separate entities. As if doing > research is not difficult enough, lucky me, I get to > connect to both...making things even more of a > Twilight Zone experience! > > My gr gr grandfather (Daniel's father) was also a > Daniel SHIPMAN, born 1790, TN; died 1851. He was > married to Melia McNUTT before 1820 in TN. After her > death he married Dianna (Dicy) ANDERSON, 1843 in Barry > County, MO. From his first marriage to Melia McNUTT > his children included my gr grandfather Daniel SHIPMAN > who married Elizabeth "Claypipe" ANDERSON. It was from > this same marriage that he also had Wm. T. SHIPMAN, > another brother who supposedly married Sarah ANDERSON, > "Claypipe's" sister...who was supposedly also Amer. > Indian...and who I also have a photo of which depicts > a woman who quite definitely "looks" to be of Amer. > Indian lineage...not by any small chance. I don't know > any other way to say it... > > I understand there was another SHIPMAN brother who > also married yet another ANDERSON sister. > > Melia McNUTT's parents were supposedly a David and > Rachel Cate McNUTT/NUTT. I was told that Melia > McNUTT's father supposedly wished to shorten the name > to NUTT and did so and unfortunately (for research > sake) some of their children went by McNUTT and others > by the NUTT surname. > > Several years ago, another researcher gave me > information which reads that Sarah J. ANDERSON's > parents were Richard and Martha and that Richard > ANDERSON's parents were Phillip ANDERSON and Mary > "Polly" McNATT. Polly having been born in 1787. TN. > > Thus I presume I am connected then to both McNUTT and > McNATT lineage. > > I am sure you are weary from reading such a lengthy > post. I am a teacher and therefore need to spare a few > braincells for the reamining weeks of this schoolyear. > Thank you again for anything anyone can do to get this > knot untangled! > > Deb (SHIPMAN) ROWE > > > > > --- Robert Strong <[email protected]> wrote: > > Deb, > > > > Richard Anderson is my great great grandfather. I > > am descended from his > > youngest son, Zacharia Taylor Anderson. I have > > spent considerable time > > researching this family. While I don't have all the > > answers, what I do have > > can be viewed at my website: > > http://azstrong.tripod.com/jd_letha (there is > > an _ between jd and letha). > > > > Unfortunately, you will not find anything there > > regarding possible Indian > > ancestry in the Anderson family. No such evidence > > has come to my attention; > > indeed, you are the first Anderson descendant I've > > met to even have a family > > story about Indian ancestry. I suspect this belief > > probably originated in > > the fact that many in this family moved from > > Lawrence Co., MO to Indian > > Territory and became assimilated into the Choctaw > > Nation. You may want to > > contact the descendant of Sarah (Anderson) Shipman > > noted on my website, who > > I believe will confirm that regardless of the > > photograph you've seen, she > > was not of Indian descent. I have also seen > > photographs of Green Berry > > Anderson and he does not appear to be of Indian > > descent. > > > > As you will see at my website, Richard's parents > > were Philip Anderson and > > Polly McNatt. You are correct that the Anderson and > > McNatt families moved > > together from Bedford/Lincoln Co., TN to > > Barry/Lawrence Co., MO. I've long > > suspected the Shipmans moved about the same time. > > There is no evidence that > > I am aware of that shows they first went to the > > Choctaw Nation -- the > > Choctaws themselves were just beginning the Trail of > > Tears from Mississippi. > > While I've seen the name McNatt rendered McNutt in > > some transcriptions of > > records, I have never seen just the Nutt version. > > > > Hopefully we can be of help to each other in other > > ways. Did you know that > > there was yet another Anderson daughter who married > > a Shipman? Sophia > > married Isaac. I do not have much information about > > your Anderson ancestor > > and her family. I would appreciate a list of > > children with accompanying > > detail. I will be glad to add you as a contact > > person for this line to my > > website if you will provide me with the necessary > > contact information. > > > > I'm sorry not to be of any help in your quest to > > find Indian ancestry. My > > grandmother, Tilitha Anderson, married John DeWitt > > Bowers in Indian > > Territory. Our family story has always been that > > his mother, Polly Majors, > > was half Cherokee. I have been fortunate to have > > found some supporting > > evidence. Her mother was a member of the Leffew > > family of Grainger Co., TN > > and Rockland Co., NC before that. After the death > > of the partriarch of the > > family about 1800, the children started being > > enumerated as "free other" in > > the censuses. While there are other possible > > explanations for this > > classification, it is at least consistent with our > > family stories and the > > family stories of collateral Leffew lines. > > > > You are to be congratulated for attempting to prove > > a family story and I > > expect you will continue the quest. I ask only that > > you remain open to the > > possibility it is just a story. > > > > Robert Strong > > Scottsdale, AZ > > > > > > > > ==== MOLAWREN Mailing List ==== > > More Lawrence County information can be found at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~molawre2/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > > online genealogy records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > > > ==== MOLAWREN Mailing List ==== > More Lawrence County information can be found at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~molawre2/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >