Pat, If your Grammer Cemetery list dates earlier than Mary Curry's, I would be interested in the burials noted. Today there are undoubtedly stones that were once there that are missing. We first visited the cemetery probably in the late seventies when it was nothing but brambles and poison ivy, so hard to look for stones that were down. We did find Peterson and Martha Grammer's stones laying under a bush near the entrance of the cemetery. The last time we were there was in 1997 and the change was amazing. I don't know if any stones were reset. Peterson and Martha Grammer's stones are no longer there. I doubt they could have been reset. J L Grammer's stone is there and in good shape. It has no dates on it - just J L and Co. B Burrows Mo, HG. From that inscription I feel certain that is Jesse L Grammer, my great-grandfather, because I have documents that he served in that Company in the Civil War. From family records he apparently died in 1890. But there are Grammers, who died earlier that I feel must surely have been buried there. The Grammers came to Lawrence Co. probably in the fall or winter of 1851. Peterson's mother, Elizabeth, died ca 1 May 1852 and his brother, Leonard, died within a year after Elizabeth's death so it just seems logical that they were buried there, but no records to prove it. On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Ross Cameron wrote: > Pat, > > I presume that what you have is a unpublished transcription. There > are at least two published transcriptions. > > Lawrence County, Missouri, Tombstone Inscriptions, Vol. 5, Buck > Prairie Township, Fairview Cemetery (also known as Grammer), pp. > 113-114, published by the Lawrence County Historical Society, 1987. > It was surveyed by Mrs. Loyd B. Ellis and Hazel Pannell and presented > to the Rachel Donelson Chapter of the NSDAR, Springfield, Mo. > > Lawrence County, Missouri, Tombstone Inscriptions, Vol. 1, Grammer > Cemetery, pp. 60-62, published by Mary M. Curry, 1970. > > There are some significant differences between these two > transcriptions. Mrs. Curry's transcription has more stones, > including: > a second stone for Nancy Cline without the name Witherspoon; > William and Mariah Cox; > Peterson, Martha, (Isabell?), Ervin? J.?, J. L., and infant Grammer; > Nancy C. (1870-1872) and John C. McNatt; and > George N. McNeill. > > LCHS lists the following stone not in Curry: > Judy R. McNatt (1810-1859) > > LCHS lists Martin V. McNatt and Curry lists Martin V. Wheat with the > same date of death and LCHS lists age at death which Curry does not. > > LCHS lists: > Hubbard, Mary E., dau. of Wm. Hubbard, born 12 Nov 1852, no death dates > Curry lists: > Hubbard, no name-stone broken & part gone, 12 Nov 1852 - 12 Jan 1874 > By combining the two, the full name and dates of birth and death are > known. > > There are other differences such as: > LCHS lists Sarah Lemaster and Curry lists Sarah I. Brashers, wife of > W. W., but both have the same dates of birth and death. Is this Sarah > I. McNatt who married William W. Brashears in Nov. 1865? It appears > as if "I. Brashers" was read as "Lemaster". > > LCHS lists Charles R. and Nancy Galloway; Curry lists Calloway, though > in a marriage note she lists Galoway. > > There are other differences in spellings of names, dates, and other > information. > > Pat, if your transcription is not one of the above, then it would be > valuable to see if there are additional differences or which of the > above differences the transcription that you have matches. > > Mrs. Curry noted that at time the cemetery was overgrown and Peterson > and Martha Grammer's stones were under some bushes, both down and > partially covered with soil. It appears as if other stones were down, > missing, etc., when Mrs. Loyd and Pannell surveyed it. It has since > been cleaned, etc., but I don't know if a new reading has been done. > > My great, great, great aunt, Rachel W. (Patton) Moore, first wife of > James Marion Moore, is buried here. > > I have four transcriptions of Lower South Bend Cemetery, also known as > Patton, Hoshaw, Shelton, Mahan, Hopewell, etc. and there are > differences between all four. > > Some stones may have been standing, down, buried, broken, or reset > between transcriptions. Different people read the stones differently. > And there are often typographical errors by the time it gets > published. So it doesn't hurt to have more than one transcription. > AND YOU SHOULD TRANSCRIBE IT YOURSELF whenever possible, as well as > photograph and/or video it. > > Ross Cameron > >>>> [email protected] 05/12/03 04:43PM >>> > I was looking through my McNatt stuff today and realized that the > cemetery that I have always called the Old McNatt Cemetery (near > Marionville, Mo) is also called the Fairview Cemetery or sometimes > called Grammar Graveyard. It is 1 1/2 miles N.W. of Marionville, Mo. in > Lawrence CO. out in the middle of a field on Jim Carr's property. I > have the list of the tomb stones from there and had intended to > transcribe it. It is a very badly many times copied typed list that is > difficult to read. If anyone is interested it might get me more > interested in trying to type it up. :-) I am worried that the tornado > may have damaged it and will check when I visit in a couple of weeks. > Pat, > > > > > > ==== MOLAWREN Mailing List ==== > Whoops! Deleted a message you needed? Search archived messages on this > list by entering MOLAWREN-L in the search field at: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Alice and all, There is no date nor author on this cemetery list. There is nothing to tell me anything about this list except it's title. The only thing different is that it calls it the Grammar Graveyard and maybe that means something. I'm workin' on it. :-) Pat, Alice E McCollum wrote: > Pat, > > If your Grammer Cemetery list dates earlier than Mary Curry's, I would > be interested in the burials noted. > > Today there are undoubtedly stones that were once there that are > missing. We first visited the cemetery probably in the late > seventies when it was nothing but brambles and poison ivy, so hard to > look for stones that were down. We did find Peterson and Martha > Grammer's stones laying under a bush near the entrance of the cemetery. > > The last time we were there was in 1997 and the change was amazing. I > don't know if any stones were reset. Peterson and Martha Grammer's > stones are no longer there. I doubt they could have been reset. J L > Grammer's stone is there and in good shape. It has no dates on it - > just J L and Co. B Burrows Mo, HG. From that inscription I feel > certain that is Jesse L Grammer, my great-grandfather, because I have > documents that he served in that Company in the Civil War. From > family records he apparently died in 1890. > > But there are Grammers, who died earlier that I feel must surely have > been buried there. The Grammers came to Lawrence Co. probably in the > fall or winter of 1851. Peterson's mother, Elizabeth, died ca 1 May > 1852 and his brother, Leonard, died within a year after Elizabeth's > death so it just seems logical that they were buried there, but no > records to prove it. > > > > On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Ross Cameron wrote: > >> Pat, >> >> I presume that what you have is a unpublished transcription. There >> are at least two published transcriptions. >> >> Lawrence County, Missouri, Tombstone Inscriptions, Vol. 5, Buck >> Prairie Township, Fairview Cemetery (also known as Grammer), pp. >> 113-114, published by the Lawrence County Historical Society, 1987. >> It was surveyed by Mrs. Loyd B. Ellis and Hazel Pannell and presented >> to the Rachel Donelson Chapter of the NSDAR, Springfield, Mo. >> >> Lawrence County, Missouri, Tombstone Inscriptions, Vol. 1, Grammer >> Cemetery, pp. 60-62, published by Mary M. Curry, 1970. >> >> There are some significant differences between these two >> transcriptions. Mrs. Curry's transcription has more stones, > >> including: >> a second stone for Nancy Cline without the name Witherspoon; >> William and Mariah Cox; >> Peterson, Martha, (Isabell?), Ervin? J.?, J. L., and infant Grammer; >> Nancy C. (1870-1872) and John C. McNatt; and >> George N. McNeill. >> >> LCHS lists the following stone not in Curry: >> Judy R. McNatt (1810-1859) >> >> LCHS lists Martin V. McNatt and Curry lists Martin V. Wheat with the >> same date of death and LCHS lists age at death which Curry does not. >> >> LCHS lists: >> Hubbard, Mary E., dau. of Wm. Hubbard, born 12 Nov 1852, no death dates >> Curry lists: >> Hubbard, no name-stone broken & part gone, 12 Nov 1852 - 12 Jan 1874 >> By combining the two, the full name and dates of birth and death are >> known. >> >> There are other differences such as: >> LCHS lists Sarah Lemaster and Curry lists Sarah I. Brashers, wife of >> W. W., but both have the same dates of birth and death. Is this >> Sarah I. McNatt who married William W. Brashears in Nov. 1865? It >> appears as if "I. Brashers" was read as "Lemaster". >> >> LCHS lists Charles R. and Nancy Galloway; Curry lists Calloway, >> though in a marriage note she lists Galoway. >> >> There are other differences in spellings of names, dates, and other >> information. >> >> Pat, if your transcription is not one of the above, then it would be >> valuable to see if there are additional differences or which of the >> above differences the transcription that you have matches. >> >> Mrs. Curry noted that at time the cemetery was overgrown and Peterson >> and Martha Grammer's stones were under some bushes, both down and >> partially covered with soil. It appears as if other stones were >> down, missing, etc., when Mrs. Loyd and Pannell surveyed it. It has >> since been cleaned, etc., but I don't know if a new reading has been >> done. >> >> My great, great, great aunt, Rachel W. (Patton) Moore, first wife of >> James Marion Moore, is buried here. >> >> I have four transcriptions of Lower South Bend Cemetery, also known >> as Patton, Hoshaw, Shelton, Mahan, Hopewell, etc. and there are >> differences between all four. >> >> Some stones may have been standing, down, buried, broken, or reset >> between transcriptions. Different people read the stones >> differently. And there are often typographical errors by the time it >> gets published. So it doesn't hurt to have more than one >> transcription. AND YOU SHOULD TRANSCRIBE IT YOURSELF whenever >> possible, as well as photograph and/or video it. >> >> Ross Cameron >> >>>>> [email protected] 05/12/03 04:43PM >>> >>>> >> I was looking through my McNatt stuff today and realized that the >> cemetery that I have always called the Old McNatt Cemetery (near >> Marionville, Mo) is also called the Fairview Cemetery or sometimes >> called Grammar Graveyard. It is 1 1/2 miles N.W. of Marionville, Mo. in >> Lawrence CO. out in the middle of a field on Jim Carr's property. I >> have the list of the tomb stones from there and had intended to >> transcribe it. It is a very badly many times copied typed list that is >> difficult to read. If anyone is interested it might get me more >> interested in trying to type it up. :-) I am worried that the tornado >> may have damaged it and will check when I visit in a couple of weeks. >> Pat, >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== MOLAWREN Mailing List ==== >> Whoops! Deleted a message you needed? 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