As a child advocate in Ottawa county ok I agree with you. to a point. Working in court system and advocating for kids. parents are more worried about their casinos ,drinks and friends instead of parenting (in ottawa county,ok) When children are removed from the home (I see them then) and I work my tailto ffind what is going on and find out what is in childs best interest. Then court and family services say "they need to be back with parents" they love them and it is em9otional to thake them away. (The damage is already done) then within a year same kids are back in system. you are right they do need spanked most of time. But parents need to slow down and be parents first and and then participate in whatever activities later. Children are our future and it looks bleak right now. I got tired f complaining and decided to do sometthing and I became a child advocate, I also got educated in laws in various states governing kids. I have helped parents and kids "see the light" cora miller blind in Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Prieskorn" <dalell@earthlink.net> To: <molawren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery >I guess all of you know by now that those poor mistreated > children are striking back, but you don't dare give them the > attention on there back side that they needed when they were > much younger. Thanks to our do-gooder (that probably never had > a child)laws passed for the protection of the little monsters > the kid yells and the parents are tossed in court. Teacher's, > fired and if that does not work the little person yells sexual > molestation, then the parent has to try and prove he or she > is innocent, but by that time the reputation is gone, the kid > is put in another home for it to happen all over again. > > Don't start in on me, I know there are real mistreated and > molestation out there, there is a way to take care of those. > > When most of us were growing up we got our backside spanked > and the fear of God would strike us down to do damage in a > Cemetery, or any place else, most of the ones that do the > damage most likely does not even believe in God. > > And I might add, for the child molester hang him or her > until they rot. As for children seeing this, that would > be up to the parent, not the State. Bet there would be a > lot less molesters. Our Laws now protect the guilty. > > Ellie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of PAT MILLER > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:19 AM > To: Ross Cameron; molawren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery > > Jay and Ross, > Several years ago the Marionville IOOF cemetery was vandelized and the > pioneer part was almost completely distroyed. That was the part near the > railroad tracks. Our big McNatt stone in Maple Park is on the part facing > Elliott and is not under any trees. Several other large family stones > front > on Elliott. I will check with the family to see if they are okay. > Pat Miller > > Ross Cameron <rcameron49@earthlink.net> wrote: > Jay, > > This has happened at several cemeteries in Lawrence County over the past > ten > or more years. In the case of the Old South Bend Cemetery where my Patton > ancestors and others are buried, some stones were broken into pieces. I > don't remember all the cemeteries, but the Mt. Vernon IOOF Cemetery had > some > stones turned over, too, a year or so ago, I think. Some of the cemetery > vandals over the years have been caught by the authorities. Hopefully, > they > will catch these, too. > > Ross Cameron > > -----Original Message----- >>From: jay trace >>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 7:52 AM >>To: molawren@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery >> >>I thought I'd share with you folks the fact that I >>drove by Maple Park Cemetery yesterday and I noticed >>that a tombstone had fallen over. With the ice storm >>we had in January and all of the really big branches >>that had come off of the trees, it was no surprise. >>However, when I drove through the cemetery, I noticed >>that there were a dozen stones, and I mean big ones, >>that had the stones knocked off of the bases. These >>were stones that I wouldn't be able to lift, much less >>put back. Most weren't near any trees, so it was >>obviously some snot-nose and his buddies that came >>around and kicked them over. >> >>I called the number that was in the phone book for the >>cemetery and left a message for the caretaker, but >>it's a shame. All but one were in the section that >>was directly facing Elliott Street, so they were >>pretty brazen. Luckily, I saw no broken stones. >> >>jay >> >> >> >>___________________________________________________________________________ > _________ >>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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I was a foster parent in the State of California, I was the one that went to the hospital to pick up the new born that just got off drugs after birth. I would keep the child until a State worker picked The child up. Yes the parents need to wake up, That child Will grow up in the system, I could only do so much too. I adopted two girls, and raised them with a hard but loving hand, they are both very dear to me and I love them very much. One turned into a drug user the other a wonderful mother. Who knows, the were raised with the same love . Ellie -----Original Message----- From: molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cora miller Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:00 AM To: molawren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery As a child advocate in Ottawa county ok I agree with you. to a point. Working in court system and advocating for kids. parents are more worried about their casinos ,drinks and friends instead of parenting (in ottawa county,ok) When children are removed from the home (I see them then) and I work my tailto ffind what is going on and find out what is in childs best interest. Then court and family services say "they need to be back with parents" they love them and it is em9otional to thake them away. (The damage is already done) then within a year same kids are back in system. you are right they do need spanked most of time. But parents need to slow down and be parents first and and then participate in whatever activities later. Children are our future and it looks bleak right now. I got tired f complaining and decided to do sometthing and I became a child advocate, I also got educated in laws in various states governing kids. I have helped parents and kids "see the light" cora miller blind in Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Prieskorn" <dalell@earthlink.net> To: <molawren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery >I guess all of you know by now that those poor mistreated > children are striking back, but you don't dare give them the > attention on there back side that they needed when they were > much younger. Thanks to our do-gooder (that probably never had > a child)laws passed for the protection of the little monsters > the kid yells and the parents are tossed in court. Teacher's, > fired and if that does not work the little person yells sexual > molestation, then the parent has to try and prove he or she > is innocent, but by that time the reputation is gone, the kid > is put in another home for it to happen all over again. > > Don't start in on me, I know there are real mistreated and > molestation out there, there is a way to take care of those. > > When most of us were growing up we got our backside spanked > and the fear of God would strike us down to do damage in a > Cemetery, or any place else, most of the ones that do the > damage most likely does not even believe in God. > > And I might add, for the child molester hang him or her > until they rot. As for children seeing this, that would > be up to the parent, not the State. Bet there would be a > lot less molesters. Our Laws now protect the guilty. > > Ellie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of PAT MILLER > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:19 AM > To: Ross Cameron; molawren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery > > Jay and Ross, > Several years ago the Marionville IOOF cemetery was vandelized and the > pioneer part was almost completely distroyed. That was the part near the > railroad tracks. Our big McNatt stone in Maple Park is on the part facing > Elliott and is not under any trees. Several other large family stones > front > on Elliott. I will check with the family to see if they are okay. > Pat Miller > > Ross Cameron <rcameron49@earthlink.net> wrote: > Jay, > > This has happened at several cemeteries in Lawrence County over the past > ten > or more years. In the case of the Old South Bend Cemetery where my Patton > ancestors and others are buried, some stones were broken into pieces. I > don't remember all the cemeteries, but the Mt. Vernon IOOF Cemetery had > some > stones turned over, too, a year or so ago, I think. Some of the cemetery > vandals over the years have been caught by the authorities. Hopefully, > they > will catch these, too. > > Ross Cameron > > -----Original Message----- >>From: jay trace >>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 7:52 AM >>To: molawren@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery >> >>I thought I'd share with you folks the fact that I >>drove by Maple Park Cemetery yesterday and I noticed >>that a tombstone had fallen over. With the ice storm >>we had in January and all of the really big branches >>that had come off of the trees, it was no surprise. >>However, when I drove through the cemetery, I noticed >>that there were a dozen stones, and I mean big ones, >>that had the stones knocked off of the bases. These >>were stones that I wouldn't be able to lift, much less >>put back. Most weren't near any trees, so it was >>obviously some snot-nose and his buddies that came >>around and kicked them over. >> >>I called the number that was in the phone book for the >>cemetery and left a message for the caretaker, but >>it's a shame. All but one were in the section that >>was directly facing Elliott Street, so they were >>pretty brazen. Luckily, I saw no broken stones. >> >>jay >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ > _________ >>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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Please don't think I don't know about kids. I raised two and have seven (7) grandkids. But, we don't really know who knocked over the tombstones. Everyone assumes that it was kids. Kids do stupid things, but drunk adults do too. Let's wait to see what actually happened. Pat Miller

-----Original Message----- From: molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cora miller Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 7:00 AM To: molawren@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery As a child advocate in Ottawa county ok I agree with you. to a point. Working in court system and advocating for kids. parents are more worried about their casinos ,drinks and friends instead of parenting (in ottawa county,ok) When children are removed from the home (I see them then) and I work my tailto ffind what is going on and find out what is in childs best interest. Then court and family services say "they need to be back with parents" they love them and it is em9otional to thake them away. (The damage is already done) then within a year same kids are back in system. you are right they do need spanked most of time. But parents need to slow down and be parents first and and then participate in whatever activities later. Children are our future and it looks bleak right now. I got tired f complaining and decided to do sometthing and I became a child advocate, I also got educated in laws in various states governing kids. I have helped parents and kids "see the light" cora miller blind in Oklahoma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor Prieskorn" <dalell@earthlink.net> To: <molawren@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery >I guess all of you know by now that those poor mistreated > children are striking back, but you don't dare give them the > attention on there back side that they needed when they were > much younger. Thanks to our do-gooder (that probably never had > a child)laws passed for the protection of the little monsters > the kid yells and the parents are tossed in court. Teacher's, > fired and if that does not work the little person yells sexual > molestation, then the parent has to try and prove he or she > is innocent, but by that time the reputation is gone, the kid > is put in another home for it to happen all over again. > > Don't start in on me, I know there are real mistreated and > molestation out there, there is a way to take care of those. > > When most of us were growing up we got our backside spanked > and the fear of God would strike us down to do damage in a > Cemetery, or any place else, most of the ones that do the > damage most likely does not even believe in God. > > And I might add, for the child molester hang him or her > until they rot. As for children seeing this, that would > be up to the parent, not the State. Bet there would be a > lot less molesters. Our Laws now protect the guilty. > > Ellie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:molawren-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of PAT MILLER > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 8:19 AM > To: Ross Cameron; molawren@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery > > Jay and Ross, > Several years ago the Marionville IOOF cemetery was vandelized and the > pioneer part was almost completely distroyed. That was the part near the > railroad tracks. Our big McNatt stone in Maple Park is on the part facing > Elliott and is not under any trees. Several other large family stones > front > on Elliott. I will check with the family to see if they are okay. > Pat Miller > > Ross Cameron <rcameron49@earthlink.net> wrote: > Jay, > > This has happened at several cemeteries in Lawrence County over the past > ten > or more years. In the case of the Old South Bend Cemetery where my Patton > ancestors and others are buried, some stones were broken into pieces. I > don't remember all the cemeteries, but the Mt. Vernon IOOF Cemetery had > some > stones turned over, too, a year or so ago, I think. Some of the cemetery > vandals over the years have been caught by the authorities. Hopefully, > they > will catch these, too. > > Ross Cameron > > -----Original Message----- >>From: jay trace >>Sent: Mar 26, 2007 7:52 AM >>To: molawren@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [MOLAWREN] Maple Park Cemetery >> >>I thought I'd share with you folks the fact that I >>drove by Maple Park Cemetery yesterday and I noticed >>that a tombstone had fallen over. With the ice storm >>we had in January and all of the really big branches >>that had come off of the trees, it was no surprise. >>However, when I drove through the cemetery, I noticed >>that there were a dozen stones, and I mean big ones, >>that had the stones knocked off of the bases. These >>were stones that I wouldn't be able to lift, much less >>put back. Most weren't near any trees, so it was >>obviously some snot-nose and his buddies that came >>around and kicked them over. >> >>I called the number that was in the phone book for the >>cemetery and left a message for the caretaker, but >>it's a shame. All but one were in the section that >>was directly facing Elliott Street, so they were >>pretty brazen. Luckily, I saw no broken stones. >> >>jay >> >> >> >>__________________________________________________________________________ _ > _________ >>No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go >>with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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