Thank you, Pat << Carolyn, they probably have archives back earlier than that if you write to them. Pat >>

Thank you, Ross and all of the wonderful people that have been so kind to send me their ideas. I'm sure I will be able to find my newspaper articles now without any further ado. This was my first inquiry to the list and I can only say thank you to one of the best lists I have every had the pleasure of being a member of. Carolyn Smith Burns Manteca, CA Surnames: BREWER, BURNS, CARBERRY, HOGES, HOOTON, JOHNSON, JOSLIN, KING, LIAFE, LOZIER, MCCRACKEN, PARKER, PLASTER, PLUMMER, SIDERS, SKELLY, SMITH, SPITZER, SWAFFORD, SYKES, WILLHITE << Carolyn, The Springfield, Mo., newspapers would also have carried the story. There are indexed abstracts (by Dr. William Hall) of items of genealogical interest available at the Shepard Room for the Springfield Newspapers from 1865-1991? excluding a few years around the turn of the century and a period from the mid 1920s to late 1930s. [The earliest ones up to about 1920 have been published by the Ozarks Genealogical Society.] These include birth, death, marriage, divorce, engagements, accidents, etc. I would think the items you are looking for would probably be indexed. There are volume [yearly] indexes and a cumulative index for 1939?-1991?. It is at least worth a phone call, letter, or email. There is a small research fee ($3, I think), plus a charge for any photocopies (25 cents per page, I think). The Shepard Room Springfield-Greene County Library 4653 S. Campbell Avenue Springfield, MO 65810 (417) 874-8110 The email address is sheprm@mail.orion.org Of course, the Lawrence County newspapers would also have covered it. Pierce City Leader-Journal, 105 W. Commercial St., Pierce City, Mo. 75623 (417) 476-2232 Lawrence County Record, 312 S. Hickory St., Mt. Vernon, Mo. 65712 (417) 466-2185 Aurora Advertiser, 32 W. Olive, Aurora, Mo. 65605 (417) 678-2115 The Miller Press, P.O. Box 236, Miller, Mo. 65707 (417) 452-3792 I don't know if issues for the 1970s are available at the McCanse Library yet or not; earlier ones are. These newspapers are all available on microfilm at the State Historical Society of Missouri, Columbia, Mo., and can be borrowed on interlibrary loan, I believe. Check out their website at: http://www.system.missouri.edu/shs/ for information. Ross Cameron >>

Carolyn, the Shepherd Room is well worth a bookmark and visits for many reasons. Ross, thanks for all those addresses in one place. I think I have them scattered here and there, but I'll keep the list. As always, you are a gold mine of useful information. Cousin Pat

Carolyn, they probably have archives back earlier than that if you write to them. Pat

Gordon, don't know about the church, but your name sure sounds familiar. I graduated from Monett High in 1944. Would you have been around then? Patricia Hunt Rouleau

Carolyn, does your Brewer line come from the Lawrence County area? I am looking for a Fern Brewer who married Carlos Franklin Hunnell 16 July 1932. All I have is her name, marriage date, husband's name and the tradition that she was a farmer's daughter. Thanks. Diedra ---------- From: CBurns4414@aol.com To: MOLAWREN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOLAWREN-L] Newspaper Info. Date: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 10:46 AM Thank you, Ross and all of the wonderful people that have been so kind to send me their ideas. I'm sure I will be able to find my newspaper articles now without any further ado. This was my first inquiry to the list and I can only say thank you to one of the best lists I have every had the pleasure of being a member of. Carolyn Smith Burns Manteca, CA Surnames: BREWER, BURNS, CARBERRY, HOGES, HOOTON, JOHNSON, JOSLIN, KING, LIAFE, LOZIER, MCCRACKEN, PARKER, PLASTER, PLUMMER, SIDERS, SKELLY, SMITH, SPITZER, SWAFFORD, SYKES, WILLHITE << Carolyn, The Springfield, Mo., newspapers would also have carried the story. There are indexed abstracts (by Dr. William Hall) of items of genealogical interest available at the Shepard Room for the Springfield Newspapers from 1865-1991? excluding a few years around the turn of the century and a period from the mid 1920s to late 1930s. [The earliest ones up to about 1920 have been published by the Ozarks Genealogical Society.] These include birth, death, marriage, divorce, engagements, accidents, etc. I would think the items you are looking for would probably be indexed. There are volume [yearly] indexes and a cumulative index for 1939?-1991?. It is at least worth a phone call, letter, or email. There is a small research fee ($3, I think), plus a charge for any photocopies (25 cents per page, I think). The Shepard Room Springfield-Greene County Library 4653 S. Campbell Avenue Springfield, MO 65810 (417) 874-8110 The email address is sheprm@mail.orion.org Of course, the Lawrence County newspapers would also have covered it. Pierce City Leader-Journal, 105 W. Commercial St., Pierce City, Mo. 75623 (417) 476-2232 Lawrence County Record, 312 S. Hickory St., Mt. Vernon, Mo. 65712 (417) 466-2185 Aurora Advertiser, 32 W. Olive, Aurora, Mo. 65605 (417) 678-2115 The Miller Press, P.O. Box 236, Miller, Mo. 65707 (417) 452-3792 I don't know if issues for the 1970s are available at the McCanse Library yet or not; earlier ones are. These newspapers are all available on microfilm at the State Historical Society of Missouri, Columbia, Mo., and can be borrowed on interlibrary loan, I believe. Check out their website at: http://www.system.missouri.edu/shs/ for information. Ross Cameron >>

Gordon, Unfortunately, even if you make contact with the church and see the records, I doubt that the church will have any records of her birth because Baptists do not perform infant baptisms. We practice believer's baptism which means that whenever a person is old enough to understand the plan of salvation and make a personal decision to accept Christ as their Savior and Lord, then they may be baptized. This can be at almost any age. The date of decision and/or baptism should be recorded in the church membership record book, but I have never seen any that gave age or date of birth. So I don't think you will find any birth record there. HOWEVER, there are some other possible sources: First, even though Missouri did not start statewide birth registration until 1910, many people who were born before that time requested and received a "Delayed or Special Certificate of Birth" many years later. I have copies of these for my three grandparents who were born in Missouri -- Grandma Cameron, born in 1886, got her's in 1951; Grandma Patton, born in 1891, got her's 1955; and Grandpa Patton, born in 1889, got his in 1954. In order to get one, the person had to file a notarized statement with an "Abstract of Supporting Evidence" which listed up to four documents provided as evidence, such as Bible records, school records, child's birth certificate, marriage certificate, employment records, and affidavits of relatives or other persons who could testify to personal knowledge of the date of birth. If you have not requested such a certificate from the Missouri Bureau of Vital Statistics, you might try this. The following statement is from the website of the Missouri State Archives: The Bureau of Vital Statistics has certificates of Missouri births from 1910 to the present with some delayed filings prior to this date. You may obtain a certified copy by: Writing to Vital records, P.O. Box 570, Jefferson City, MO 65102, or Going in person to the Vital Records Office at the address above. If there is not a record there, then you may be able to find a birth announcement in the local newspapers. Copies of the Peirce City Southwest Journal, the Monett Star, the Monett Times, the Lawrence Chieftain, the Lawrence County Record, and the Aurora Advertiser are all extant for 1909. There is a published abstract for the Aurora Advertiser for 1908-1910. The Lawrence Chieftain and Lawrence County Record are available on microfilm at the McCanse Library in Mount Vernon. Microfilm of all of these newspapers are available at the State Historical Society of Missouri and are available for interlibrary loan. Check the SHSM website at http://www.system.missouri.edu/shs/ You might also check with the Social Security Administration to see what records they have. Ross Cameron >>> <Rollogrg@aol.com> 05/09 9:04 PM >>> I was born and raised in Monett. In the early 1900s my Mother's family lived on a farm north and west of Monett, where she was born. It was near the Mt. Olivet Baptist Church where the family went to church and my Mother was baptized there. I am trying to get a contact at the church to see if I can obtain a baptismal record or other record that would state her date of birth in 1909. When I was in Monett last summer I went to the church but could not find anyone or any info. on how to contact anyone. I went to the PO in Pierce City and was told that mail was being delivered to the church but they did not know the pastor's name. I have sent three letters asking for information and no response. The letters have not been returned. Any information on how I might make a contact (letter or phone) with someone who goes to this church would be appreciated. Thanks, Gordon Gray Colorado Springs, CO

Carolyn, The Springfield, Mo., newspapers would also have carried the story. There are indexed abstracts (by Dr. William Hall) of items of genealogical interest available at the Shepard Room for the Springfield Newspapers from 1865-1991? excluding a few years around the turn of the century and a period from the mid 1920s to late 1930s. [The earliest ones up to about 1920 have been published by the Ozarks Genealogical Society.] These include birth, death, marriage, divorce, engagements, accidents, etc. I would think the items you are looking for would probably be indexed. There are volume [yearly] indexes and a cumulative index for 1939?-1991?. It is at least worth a phone call, letter, or email. There is a small research fee ($3, I think), plus a charge for any photocopies (25 cents per page, I think). The Shepard Room Springfield-Greene County Library 4653 S. Campbell Avenue Springfield, MO 65810 (417) 874-8110 The email address is sheprm@mail.orion.org Of course, the Lawrence County newspapers would also have covered it. Pierce City Leader-Journal, 105 W. Commercial St., Pierce City, Mo. 75623 (417) 476-2232 Lawrence County Record, 312 S. Hickory St., Mt. Vernon, Mo. 65712 (417) 466-2185 Aurora Advertiser, 32 W. Olive, Aurora, Mo. 65605 (417) 678-2115 The Miller Press, P.O. Box 236, Miller, Mo. 65707 (417) 452-3792 I don't know if issues for the 1970s are available at the McCanse Library yet or not; earlier ones are. These newspapers are all available on microfilm at the State Historical Society of Missouri, Columbia, Mo., and can be borrowed on interlibrary loan, I believe. Check out their website at: http://www.system.missouri.edu/shs/ for information. Ross Cameron >>> <CBurns4414@aol.com> 05/10 3:21 AM >>> Thank you, Sandy. After just trying them I found they only go back to 1998 but I will keep them for future reference. Carolyn Smith Burns Manteca, CA << Both the Monett Times and the Joplin Globe would probably have carried that story. Both newspapers have on-line versions and you could probably find a contact email address on their sites. http:/www.monett-times.com http:/www.joplinglobe.com Hope this helps. Sandy > >>

Thank you, Sandy. After just trying them I found they only go back to 1998 but I will keep them for future reference. Carolyn Smith Burns Manteca, CA << Both the Monett Times and the Joplin Globe would probably have carried that story. Both newspapers have on-line versions and you could probably find a contact email address on their sites. http:/www.monett-times.com http:/www.joplinglobe.com Hope this helps. Sandy > >>

I was born and raised in Monett. In the early 1900s my Mother's family lived on a farm north and west of Monett, where she was born. It was near the Mt. Olivet Baptist Church where the family went to church and my Mother was baptized there. I am trying to get a contact at the church to see if I can obtain a baptismal record or other record that would state her date of birth in 1909. When I was in Monett last summer I went to the church but could not find anyone or any info. on how to contact anyone. I went to the PO in Pierce City and was told that mail was being delivered to the church but they did not know the pastor's name. I have sent three letters asking for information and no response. The letters have not been returned. Any information on how I might make a contact (letter or phone) with someone who goes to this church would be appreciated. Thanks, Gordon Gray Colorado Springs, CO

Thank you, I will try that. Carolyn Smith Burns Manteca, CA << Carol, the Joplin Globe would undoubtedly have covered that story, and as far as I know it is still in business. I grew up near there, and read the paper as recently as the mid-nineties. Patricia Hunt Rouleau >>

Carol, the Joplin Globe would undoubtedly have covered that story, and as far as I know it is still in business. I grew up near there, and read the paper as recently as the mid-nineties. Patricia Hunt Rouleau

Both the Monett Times and the Joplin Globe would probably have carried that story. Both newspapers have on-line versions and you could probably find a contact email address on their sites. http:/www.monett-times.com http:/www.joplinglobe.com Hope this helps. Sandy > -----Original Message----- > From: CBurns4414@aol.com [SMTP:CBurns4414@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 12:56 AM > To: MOLAWREN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MOLAWREN-L] Newspaper Info. > > I am looking for the newspaper that would have cover a double murder in > Pierce City, MO on Jan. 30, 1971, another article on Nov 15, 1971 of the > mistrial and last the article of the Life Recommended for Grandparent's > Slayer. I have partial articles and none have dates or places or papers. > > Carolyn Smith Burns > Manteca, CA > > My Missouri lines: > Barry Co., MO - Johnson, King > Christian Co., MO - Hooton, Willhite > Stone Co., MO - Hooton, Willhite > Gentry Co., MO - Parker, Joslin, McCully, Smith > Andrew Co., MO - Parker, Joslin, Carberry, Weese > Nodaway Co., MO - Parker, Joslin, Carberry, Weese > Livingston Co., MO - Johnson, McCracken > Carroll Co., MO - Johnson, McCracken > Lawrence Co., MO - Johnson

I am looking for the newspaper that would have cover a double murder in Pierce City, MO on Jan. 30, 1971, another article on Nov 15, 1971 of the mistrial and last the article of the Life Recommended for Grandparent's Slayer. I have partial articles and none have dates or places or papers. Carolyn Smith Burns Manteca, CA My Missouri lines: Barry Co., MO - Johnson, King Christian Co., MO - Hooton, Willhite Stone Co., MO - Hooton, Willhite Gentry Co., MO - Parker, Joslin, McCully, Smith Andrew Co., MO - Parker, Joslin, Carberry, Weese Nodaway Co., MO - Parker, Joslin, Carberry, Weese Livingston Co., MO - Johnson, McCracken Carroll Co., MO - Johnson, McCracken Lawrence Co., MO - Johnson

I thought this might be helpful to someone tracking the Neece/Ragain names. The following obit appeared in the Tulsa World May 7, 2000. MAYNE-Nellie May, born February 11, 1914 in Miller, Mo, died May 4, 2000. Parents were Fred E. Neece and Maude Ragain. Nellie was a graduate of Tulsa Central High School in 1932. Nellie was retired from the Social Security Administration in Baltimore, Md. She was preceded in death by her husband, George Mayne of Metz, WV; sisters, Nova Matlock of Tulsa, OK, Gertrude Ice of Metz, WV; nieces, Betty Rippetoe of Tulsa, Oklahoma, Clara Briggs of Arlington, TX and Norma Jean Hasenbuhler of Mineral Well, TX. She is survived by: nephews, Dale Matlock of Del Dois, CA and Arlie Matlock of Tulsa, Oklahoma and numerous great nieces and great-nephews. She was a member of the Phoenix Avenue Baptist Church. Funeral service will be held Monday at Masters Funeral Home in Mannington, WV. The Fitzgerald Funeral Service, 918-585-1151. Jeane Freeman freeb@webzone.net

Thomas Gay lived in Marion Co KY. He died with young children and his son Alexander was named guardian apparently. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

I haven't seen anything come through in response to the query concerning MARY LANDERS. I have mention of her in the following information which was passed on to me a number of months ago. I have also forwarded the query to another researcher who seems to know a lot about the LANDERS family, but may not subscribe to the MOLAWREN site. I have a little LANDERS information as I come from the SHIPMAN connection to the NUTT and LANDERS families. This is rather longwinded and may give you a lot more than you want to know. MARY is mentioned a number of times, as well as a second MARY LANDERS. I hope this helps! Debra Shipman Rowe Christopher Landers/Landis is thought to be the son of Felix Landis and Rosina, however there is not records to show that Felix and Rosina had a son named Christopher. There are two lines of thinking on this family. See the notes on the Christopher Landers that is married to Phebe Lee for more details. I do not know the parents of Christopher born 1710. He was born in Germany and his will was written in German. The name of his wife is unknown. There was a Christopher married to an Anna and one married to a Mary. I do not know if either of these two are the same as Christopher born 1710. Christian Landes in 1736 arrived in PA on the ship Harle on Sept 1 from Rotterdam. This was listed in GenHome library. http://www.rootsweb.com/Genhome/ghlib02.htm We feel that the Christipher Landis who improved land in Augusta Co., VA in 1753 was ours and we can verify that the Christopher who died in Mecklenburg Co., NC in 1771 was indeed ours. We also know that his estate papers were written by his son Henry in German, so we strongly feel that he was among those large masses of people which came from Palatinate to PA ca. 1709-1727. Also, a complete list of his progeny has evaded us. Christopher Landis/Landers Ref: G G 27, page 203 For years, we searched and searched trying to identify the parents of Mary Landers/Landis without success until recently when we received records from Robert McAlear of Nice, CA. He wrote: "Chistopher Landess died in 1771 and his estate was inventoried and entered in the October Court Session of 1771. (Mecklenburg Co. Estates 1762-1929, NC State Archives). Among the buyers at the estate sale were: John Landis/Landish, Widow Landis/Landish, MICHAEL GOODNIGHT, Henry Landis/Landish, CHRISTIAN GOODNIGHT, Eve Landish." "Since we know that Michael Goodnight married a Mary Landers, it does not seem out of place for him to buy at this estate sale. Incidentally, Christopher's name is often given as Christian in the estate sale documents. It would seem that MARY was a sister of JOHN, HENRY and possibly EVE or Eva. This would make a total of four children of Christopher/Christian, if indeed the latter was the father and not a brother. One item in the estate sale seems to be particularly significant: the WIDOW was allotted L32-19-5 while the 'seven legatees' were granted L18-0-3 each. This would suggest there were seven 'heirs' other than the widow. The object is to find the remaining three heirs. The problem is very nicely solved in the October session of the Mecklenburg County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, 1787: (in part) ...said monies to be paid...for the orphans of Christopher Landess, dec,d., viz: JACOB, FELIX & ELIZABETH..." "This record, together with the names found in the estate sale, would seem to provide a record of the 'seven legatees' and since we know three were orphans of Christopher/Christian, it follows that these seven were all of his children." Spouse 1 Unknown Children: 1.Mary Landers 2.John Landers 3.Henry Landers 4.Eve Landers 5.Jacob Landers 6.Felix Landers 7.Elizabeth Landers Henry Landers was possibly born in Pennsylvania or Virginia. NC. and he died in Warren Co., KY. He was married to Cati not sure of her maiden name, but Hans Michael Goodnight had a daughter by his first wife called Cati Landers). The first references found concerning Henry are found in Tryon Co. (now Rutherford, Lincoln, Cleveland Counties) North Carolina, where in 1772 he purchased land on Beaverdam and Buffalo Creeks in what is now Cleveland Co. Living near him on Sandy Run and Grog Creeds was the family of his son-in-law, Isaac Lee. Isaac was the son of Robert A. and Anna Shipman Lee. Henry was enumerated on the 1790 census of Rutherford Co. NC His household consisted of 1 male 16 yrs. upwards, 3 males under 16 yrs.. smf 6 females. It appears from land records found in NC that Henry sold out about 1796 before moving to Warren Co. KY. On April 2, 1799 Henry purchased 208 acres on Bays Fork Creek, from Peter Boucher in Warren Co., KY. (Deed Bk 2 , pp25) Henry appeared on the 1799 tax list of Warren Co. There are no tax list for 1800. In Order Book 1, March 3, 1801, Catherine Landers was named administrator of the estate of Henry Landers. Surety was Christopher Landers, his eldest son. The inventory of Henry was appraised by Levi Compton, John Claypool, and John Baleys, and was filed in Warren Co. Will Book A. pp 34. The estate was valued at 133L. 9s, 6d. Henry's widow Catherine (Caty) appeared on the Warren Co. Tax list from 1800-1816. Her son, Christopher, appeared on the same tax rolls until 1807, at which time he moved with his family to Bedford Co., TN. Caty was also listed on the 1810 census of Warren Co. In 1820 Caty was not mentioned in the land transaction between her son Isaac and the other heirs of Henry Landers, found in Deed Book 10, and filed in 1820. It is presumed that Catherine died between 1816-1820. Twelve of the thirteen children of Henry and Caty were mentioned in the transaction. Some grandchildren were named in Deed Book H. pp 269 of Allen County, KY. The graves of Henry and Caty have never been found. Henry Landers was possibly born in Pennsylvania or Virginia. NC. and he died in Warren Co., KY. He was married to Cati not sure of her maiden name, but Hans Michael Goodnight had a daughter by his first wife called Cati Landers). The first references found concerning Henry are found in Tryon Co. (now Rutherford, Lincoln, Cleveland Counties) North Carolina, where in 1772 he purchased land on Beaverdam and Buffalo Creeks in what is now Cleveland Co. Living near him on Sandy Run and Grog Creeds was the family of his son-in-law, Isaac Lee. Isaac was the son of Robert A. and Anna Shipman Lee. Henry was enumerated on the 1790 census of Rutherford Co. NC His household consisted of 1 male 16 yrs. upwards, 3 males under 16 yrs.. smf 6 females. It appears from land records found in NC that Henry sold out about 1796 before moving to Warren Co. KY. On April 2, 1799 Henry purchased 208 acres on Bays Fork Creek, from Peter Boucher in Warren Co., KY. (Deed Bk 2 , pp25) Henry appeared on the 1799 tax list of Warren Co. There are no tax list for 1800. In Order Book 1, March 3, 1801, Catherine Landers was named administrator of the estate of Henry Landers. Surety was Christopher Landers, his eldest son. The inventory of Henry was appraised by Levi Compton, John Claypool, and John Baleys, and was filed in Warren Co. Will Book A. pp 34. The estate was valued at 133L. 9s, 6d. Henry's widow Catherine (Caty) appeared on the Warren Co. Tax list from 1800-1816. Her son, Christopher, appeared on the same tax rolls until 1807, at which time he moved with his family to Bedford Co., TN. Caty was also listed on the 1810 census of Warren Co. In 1820 Caty was not mentioned in the land transaction between her son Isaac and the other heirs of Henry Landers, found in Deed Book 10, and filed in 1820. It is presumed that Catherine died between 1816-1820. Twelve of the thirteen children of Henry and Caty were mentioned in the transaction. Some grandchildren were named in Deed Book H. pp 269 of Allen County, KY. The graves of Henry and Caty have never been found. Catherine or Caty Goodnight is thought to be the daughter of Hans Michael Goodnight. If this is true and I believe that it is, then her father married second Mary Landers the sister of Catherine's husband Henry. HON. ABEL LANDERS, prominently connected with public affairs in the early > settlement of Hood county, was a native of Kentucky and reared in Tennessee, > where he married Sarah Shipman. They had a family of 11 children, three of > whom are now (1896) living, viz.: Christopher Lee and Robert, farmers in > Erath county; and Elizabeth, wife of J.F. Nutt, one of the founders of > Granbury, and now a leading merchant of this place. > > Mr. Landers was reared on a farm in the early days of Tennessee and enjoyed > but meager advantages for acquiring an education, but he was one of those > positive and determined characters who rise in spite of adverse surroundings, > and by much reading and far more observation he acquired a good stock of > useful knowledge, enabling him to discern motives and press circumstances to > most advantageous results. > > He emigrated to Missouri about 1837 and located in Newton county, where he > soon became identified with public affairs. He was first elected justice of > the peace and so acceptably performed the duties of that office that he was > next elected to represent his party in the legislature, and again twice > re-elected, so faithful and unswerving was his fidelity to his constituents, > and then elected to the state senate. In 1858 Judge Landers removed with his > then large family and other relatives to Texas, settling on the west bank of > the Brazos river, in what was then Johnson county. He bought a choice body of > land and engaged in farming and stock-raising, and was soon after elected > justice of the peace, and upon the organization of Hood county in 1867 he was > elected its first county judge, serving for several years. During this period > many vexed public questions came before him, which he disposed of without > much regard for precedents which happened to stand in the way of reaching > what he deemed just results and though the location of the county site at > Granbury where it remains was most bitterly contested, yet his personal > influence and efforts were so great that he succeeded in overruling all > opposition and by a directness of purpose and methods of his own invention > established the county site at this place in spite of several popular > elections against it but finally in its favor. Subsequent events as well as > public sentiment have fully attested the wisdom of his judgment. > > Judge Landers was a man of the people but of great determination, often > amounting to bluntness which in others would have been offensive, but not so > in him. He was public-spirited; in politics a Democrat; in religion a > "hard-shell" Baptist. His good wife died a few years after their arrival in > Texas, and he about 1873, leaving in Hood and adjoining counties many > descendants and collateral relatives besides friends of lifelong attachment > who had emigrated from Missouri to Texas with him. > > SOURCE > > History of Texas, 1896, Chicago: The Lewis Publishing Co.

Regarding Gays in Lawrence/Dade Co MO... There is also the JAMES M. GAY in Lawrence Co who is in cahoots with my Wm Washington Gay to deal with one Mr. Haegerty's alleged abuse of his family in Jan 1860, and who is beaten with a club and ax by two gentlemen in mid-1859 (if I recall correctly, per Judy's book .."A View from the Courthouse") Wm Washington & Mary Bowen Whaley Gay have a son James, but he is born in 1860, so would have been a little young. Ross, Anyone...How does this James M. Gay appear in the 1860 Lawrence Co census; does he? I am beginning to think that my Wm Washington Gay and the Whaley folks may have gone to the area because they heard good things about it from their Gay cousins. I know that Wm Washington's daughter Tennie Hill kept up with the folks in TN, then KY until she died in the 1900s. Janet

Brenda, Do you know where in KY that Thomas Gay lived? I say this because Zorababel's wife SElah and several of his sons moved to Marshall Co KY after 1850 from Davidson Co NC. I believe there may have been a land grant involved from the Rev War but could be wrong. Also, the Green Gay (age 45) who was in the Dade Co census that I sited was born in KY. I don't know where Zorababel's other siblings ended up if they migrated from NC. There are ALOT of loose Gay ends. Good Luck. We are undoubtedly cousins from the gang that settled in Northampton/Nash/Edgecombe Co. Janet Hunter

--part1_94.3f7b304.26443d95_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Att: Bill Landers. This was on another list I subscribe to, and I thought it may interest you. I don't have your e-mail address. Patricia Hunt Rouleau --part1_94.3f7b304.26443d95_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye05.mx.aol.com (v72.8) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 18:28:44 -0400 Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [209.85.6.30]) by rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v71.10) with ESMTP; Thu, 04 May 2000 18:28:17 2000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA09399; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 15:27:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Sender: owner-south-central-kentucky Thu May 4 15:27:17 2000 Message-ID: <012a01bfb617$ea4ed080$7c1813d0@oemcomputer> From: "Wayne Hatcher" <whatcher@caveland.net> Old-To: "SCKY" <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 17:27:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Subject: [SCKY] Help - Identity of Mary Ann LANDERS Resent-Message-ID: <TiApwB.A.VSC.HlfE5@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com Resent-From: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/18753 X-Loop: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-request@rootsweb.com Dear fellow researchers, I have a project that you may be interested in. This is a message of inquiry that I hope someone "out there" might be able to help provide some information. In this past Sunday's edition of the Glasgow Daily Times, there was a special article about a couple (Joe & Maria Brent) who are documenting interesting sites for brochures along US 31-W. Of course the road runs through the middle of my hometown of Cave City, KY. Of interest to me was a feature about a burial vault (sitting about 2 feet above ground level) in one of our resident's yard at the intersection of First & Owen Streets. The article said the vault marks the final resting place of Mary Ann LANDERS and that no one had any idea why she was buried there or anything about her. Of course, that sparked my curiosity. At this point, I have no idea what time frame she lived or died. Does anyone on this list have any clues regarding this lady?? I talked with Sandi a few minutes ago and she is sick and running a fever. I asked her about the article and she also saw it, and she encouraged me to go ahead and post it to this list. If anyone would like to see the article, write me directly and I can scan it for you. So, I leave it in your hands to see if anyone has any idea about our mystery person: MARY ANN LANDERS Thanks for your time and interest. Sincerely, Wayne Hatcher Barren Co. KY ==== SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the list mode send email to: SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and say unsubscribe in the msg. --part1_94.3f7b304.26443d95_boundary--