Hi Linda and Wendy, I was wondering the same thing about Samuel Graham being the father of George GRAHAM. I know we talked about it being logical but never have found proof. Have either of you found any of the land records for the Grahams in Jefferson county? I know the Samuel Graham had an early land grant but have never been able to get copies of the original documents. Maybe if we find those and then follow the transaction for the land we can get some more clues. Does anyone know if Samuel or George had a will that would give some clues? Were do we look for those documents in Missouri? For the record my husband David is a direct descendant of George Graham and Margaret West too. Wendy is his 1st cousin. Martha Bell in Florida Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:25:55 -0500 From: lsnehring@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call To: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com, mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FB52898A1842-A10-DD4F@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Wendy - Do we have definitive proof on that Samuel being George's father? Last time we talked there was a lot of speculation, but noting concrete. For the list - I am also descended from George and Margaret (West) Graham via their daughter Germima. Linda -----Original Message----- From: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com To: mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call Surnames I am researching include SAMUEL GRAHAM, and his son GEORGE GRAHAM and wife MARGARET WEST. Their son ALFRED GRAHAM married GEMIMA KYLE, daughter of THOMAS and PRISCILLA ROQUES KYLE . PRISCILLA ROQUES is daughter of JOHN ROQUES and MARGUERITE BUDWELL. THOMAS KYLE'S parents are assumed to be MATTHEW JOSEPH KYLE and his presumed wife SARAH POLLY SMITH. Wendy Baumann Krzyzanowski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Martha: All older Jefferson county probate records are available in file form at Jefferson College. The staff is easy to work with. Suggest you check out Genforum.com and click onto Jefferson County, enter "probate records" and a lot of information will come up. You can glean through it for ideas on how to access the probate files. The idea of searching land records is a good one. You can trace each tract at the office of the Recorder of Deeds in Hillsboro. I myself have done this and it is amazing what the old deeds will reveal. Note that the records are for "deeds" so the land grants are not included. There is a great index, both by grantor and by grantee; it is chronological of course, under each letter of the alphabet. Also on Genforum, contact Allen Huskey as he is quite an authority on Jefferson county and always seems willing to help. Good luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: marthabell43@yahoo.com To: mojeffer@rootsweb.com Cc: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com; lsnehring@aol.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] MOJEFFER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 97 Hi Linda and Wendy, I was wondering the same thing about Samuel Graham being the father of George GRAHAM. I know we talked about it being logical but never have found proof. Have either of you found any of the land records for the Grahams in Jefferson county? I know the Samuel Graham had an early land grant but have never been able to get copies of the original documents. Maybe if we find those and then follow the transaction for the land we can get some more clues. Does anyone know if Samuel or George had a will that would give some clues? Were do we look for those documents in Missouri? For the record my husband David is a direct descendant of George Graham and Margaret West too. Wendy is his 1st cousin. Martha Bell in Florida Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:25:55 -0500 From: lsnehring@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call To: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com, mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FB52898A1842-A10-DD4F@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Wendy - Do we have definitive proof on that Samuel being George's father? Last time we talked there was a lot of speculation, but noting concrete. For the list - I am also descended from George and Margaret (West) Graham via their daughter Germima. Linda -----Original Message----- From: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com To: mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call Surnames I am researching include SAMUEL GRAHAM, and his son GEORGE GRAHAM and wife MARGARET WEST. Their son ALFRED GRAHAM married GEMIMA KYLE, daughter of THOMAS and PRISCILLA ROQUES KYLE . PRISCILLA ROQUES is daughter of JOHN ROQUES and MARGUERITE BUDWELL. THOMAS KYLE'S parents are assumed to be MATTHEW JOSEPH KYLE and his presumed wife SARAH POLLY SMITH. Wendy Baumann Krzyzanowski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Thanks Dan, I will have to see if I can follow through on your suggestions. It is good to know there are possibilities to find more on this Graham family. We have been stuck for a very long time and it would be nice to have a break through now. Happy New Year, Martha Bell ckale54790@aol.com wrote: Martha: All older Jefferson county probate records are available in file form at Jefferson College. The staff is easy to work with. Suggest you check out Genforum.com and click onto Jefferson County, enter "probate records" and a lot of information will come up. You can glean through it for ideas on how to access the probate files. The idea of searching land records is a good one. You can trace each tract at the office of the Recorder of Deeds in Hillsboro. I myself have done this and it is amazing what the old deeds will reveal. Note that the records are for "deeds" so the land grants are not included. There is a great index, both by grantor and by grantee; it is chronological of course, under each letter of the alphabet. Also on Genforum, contact Allen Huskey as he is quite an authority on Jefferson county and always seems willing to help. Good luck! Dan -----Original Message----- From: marthabell43@yahoo.com To: mojeffer@rootsweb.com Cc: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com; lsnehring@aol.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] MOJEFFER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 97 Hi Linda and Wendy, I was wondering the same thing about Samuel Graham being the father of George GRAHAM. I know we talked about it being logical but never have found proof. Have either of you found any of the land records for the Grahams in Jefferson county? I know the Samuel Graham had an early land grant but have never been able to get copies of the original documents. Maybe if we find those and then follow the transaction for the land we can get some more clues. Does anyone know if Samuel or George had a will that would give some clues? Were do we look for those documents in Missouri? For the record my husband David is a direct descendant of George Graham and Margaret West too. Wendy is his 1st cousin. Martha Bell in Florida Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:25:55 -0500 From: lsnehring@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call To: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com, mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FB52898A1842-A10-DD4F@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Wendy - Do we have definitive proof on that Samuel being George's father? Last time we talked there was a lot of speculation, but noting concrete. For the list - I am also descended from George and Margaret (West) Graham via their daughter Germima. Linda -----Original Message----- From: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com To: mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call Surnames I am researching include SAMUEL GRAHAM, and his son GEORGE GRAHAM and wife MARGARET WEST. Their son ALFRED GRAHAM married GEMIMA KYLE, daughter of THOMAS and PRISCILLA ROQUES KYLE . PRISCILLA ROQUES is daughter of JOHN ROQUES and MARGUERITE BUDWELL. THOMAS KYLE'S parents are assumed to be MATTHEW JOSEPH KYLE and his presumed wife SARAH POLLY SMITH. Wendy Baumann Krzyzanowski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJEFFER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Martha, Never found a probate record for George, don't think I ever found any deeds for him either. They seemed to be of the kind that left little public record. Who is David descended from? I have to refresh my memory on this line - nothing new on it for ages so I have put it at the bottom of things. I will look at all my notes from years past and see if I have anything we can collaborate on. -----Original Message----- From: marthabell43@yahoo.com To: mojeffer@rootsweb.com Cc: lsnehring@aol.com; wckrzyzanowski@aol.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: MOJEFFER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 97 Hi Linda and Wendy, I was wondering the same thing about Samuel Graham being the father of George GRAHAM. I know we talked about it being logical but never have found proof. Have either of you found any of the land records for the Grahams in Jefferson county? I know the Samuel Graham had an early land grant but have never been able to get copies of the original documents. Maybe if we find those and then follow the transaction for the land we can get some more clues. Does anyone know if Samuel or George had a will that would give some clues? Were do we look for those documents in Missouri? For the record my husband David is a direct descendant of George Graham and Margaret West too. Wendy is his 1st cousin. Martha Bell in Florida Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:25:55 -0500 From: lsnehring@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call To: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com, mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FB52898A1842-A10-DD4F@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Wendy - Do we have definitive proof on that Samuel being George's father? Last time we talked there was a lot of speculation, but noting concrete. For the list - I am also descended from George and Margaret (West) Graham via their daughter Germima. Linda -----Original Message----- From: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com To: mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call Surnames I am researching include SAMUEL GRAHAM, and his son GEORGE GRAHAM and wife MARGARET WEST. Their son ALFRED GRAHAM married GEMIMA KYLE, daughter of THOMAS and PRISCILLA ROQUES KYLE . PRISCILLA ROQUES is daughter of JOHN ROQUES and MARGUERITE BUDWELL. THOMAS KYLE'S parents are assumed to be MATTHEW JOSEPH KYLE and his presumed wife SARAH POLLY SMITH. Wendy Baumann Krzyzanowski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

I should have known that I would open up a big can of worms when I sent that email! It seems to me that Elroy Lucas and I had found an index of Jefferson College holdings that included a will. We never went after it, since Luke was so sick. The listing made reference to George Graham being Samuel's son. It may well be that who ever was transcribing the index inferred something that wasn't there. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: lsnehring@aol.com To: marthabell43@yahoo.com; mojeffer@rootsweb.com Cc: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 3:08 PM Subject: Re: MOJEFFER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 97 Hi Martha, Never found a probate record for George, don't think I ever found any deeds for him either. They seemed to be of the kind that left little public record. Who is David descended from? I have to refresh my memory on this line - nothing new on it for ages so I have put it at the bottom of things. I will look at all my notes from years past and see if I have anything we can collaborate on. -----Original Message----- From: marthabell43@yahoo.com To: mojeffer@rootsweb.com Cc: lsnehring@aol.com; wckrzyzanowski@aol.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: MOJEFFER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 97 Hi Linda and Wendy, I was wondering the same thing about Samuel Graham being the father of George GRAHAM. I know we talked about it being logical but never have found proof. Have either of you found any of the land records for the Grahams in Jefferson county? I know the Samuel Graham had an early land grant but have never been able to get copies of the original documents. Maybe if we find those and then follow the transaction for the land we can get some more clues. Does anyone know if Samuel or George had a will that would give some clues? Were do we look for those documents in Missouri? For the record my husband David is a direct descendant of George Graham and Margaret West too. Wendy is his 1st cousin. Martha Bell in Florida Message: 4 Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 19:25:55 -0500 From: lsnehring@aol.com Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call To: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com, mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8C8FB52898A1842-A10-DD4F@WEBMAIL-MC07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Wendy - Do we have definitive proof on that Samuel being George's father? Last time we talked there was a lot of speculation, but noting concrete. For the list - I am also descended from George and Margaret (West) Graham via their daughter Germima. Linda -----Original Message----- From: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com To: mojeffer-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 6:05 PM Subject: [MOJEFFER] Roll Call Surnames I am researching include SAMUEL GRAHAM, and his son GEORGE GRAHAM and wife MARGARET WEST. Their son ALFRED GRAHAM married GEMIMA KYLE, daughter of THOMAS and PRISCILLA ROQUES KYLE . PRISCILLA ROQUES is daughter of JOHN ROQUES and MARGUERITE BUDWELL. THOMAS KYLE'S parents are assumed to be MATTHEW JOSEPH KYLE and his presumed wife SARAH POLLY SMITH. Wendy Baumann Krzyzanowski __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

I found this in my notes - so maybe there IS no probate record. Jefferson Democrat Hillsboro, Jefferson County, Missouri WEDNESDAY, 16 APRIL 1884 George GRAHAM, one of the oldest residents of Meramec township, died on the 11th inst. Of late years the old gentleman had been in rather indigent circumstances, and the county court had made an appropriation for his support at the late term. -----Original Message----- From: marthabell43@yahoo.com To: mojeffer@rootsweb.com Cc: wckrzyzanowski@aol.com; lsnehring@aol.com Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] MOJEFFER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 97 Hi Linda and Wendy, I was wondering the same thing about Samuel Graham being the father of George GRAHAM. I know we talked about it being logical but never have found proof. Have either of you found any of the land records for the Grahams in Jefferson county? I know the Samuel Graham had an early land grant but have never been able to get copies of the original documents. Maybe if we find those and then follow the transaction for the land we can get some more clues. Does anyone know if Samuel or George had a will that would give some clues? Were do we look for those documents in Missouri? For the record my husband David is a direct descendant of George Graham and Margaret West too. Wendy is his 1st cousin. Martha Bell in Florida ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.