Lloyd and Rick: Thanks so much for the info--you have "made my day" so to speak. I have looked for info on these names at our library and fallen into the trap of expecting their names to be spelled as I think they should be.......and done the same thing when searching the list archives.......... I've learned a lot and need to think about the census info some more........Frances Granville/Glanvill/Glanville and William Reed/Reid were probably married around 1862 (since their oldest son William was 8 in the 1870 census). I have looked on the marriage site for Jefferson, Washington, St.Francois counties..............I will look again using the alternate spellings. In the 1850 census James and Frances Granville had a son named James, b. Eng, age 10.........he is not with them on the 1860 census, therefore he must have married or died or struck out on his own........his mom Fannie Granville was still living in 1880, and is probably with one of her children........james or Cora maybe. Anyway, I have a lot of searching to fill in blanks........do you know of any mine accidents that James, the father and James, the son might have been involved in. Have you seen any info of this type? Once more, thanks for all of your help........it is most appreciated. My next jump with these families is back to England and I'm afraid it will be a difficlt one Carol PS-Lloyd, was William Reed in your listings--he died in 1891.