Hi all! Let's take a breather [sigh] and bring some comradery to the list. :) How about everyone send a one time "Roll Call" of the families and areas they are researching. Please make a new email (do not hit reply) so not to string along past Roll Calls and place Roll Call in the subject line. I'll start: I'm researching the African-American families and their Descendants of Jackson, DeBoise, Johnson, and Swink in Jefferson County. Hunter, Jones, Pittman, and Johnson in Missouri. LaDonna [email protected] [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

RHODES, John & Sophia (Hansen) 1900 and earlier.

Nice note, Jean. I agree. It's nice when everyone is kind enough to help. -Kay, FL > Subj: [MOJEFFER] Kindness > Date: 3/31/2005 6:29:32 AM Eastern Standard Time > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > This list has historically been the kindest place in Cyberspace -- or at > minimum the kindest list in my email. > > Knowledge is shared at no cost. > > Newbies are helped &supported. > > Geography and phase-of-life are accepted as realities. > > Thanks to all who have helped me in my Jefferson County research! > > Jean >

Researching the following families: Descendants of children of James MCCULLOCH (b 1806 d. 1866)and wife CATHERINE BROWN. (James was the son of HUGH McCULLOCH and MARY ESTHER BOGGS MCCULLOCH, part of the original groups who came to MO from SC with Mark Wideman.) Daughter SARAH married PATRICK THOMAS Daughter MARGARET married JAMES C. POWER Daughter MINERVA married WILLIAM G. MANION Descendants of Siblings of WILLIAM G. MANION (b. 1836 d. 1889) and MINERVA MCCULLOCH (William was the son of JOHN S MANION and SUSAN GRAHAM) Daughter SUSAN married WILLIAM W. POWER (was he the son of Margaret and James C. POWER)? Son JOHN F. married LUCINDA MCKEE son WILLIAM CLINTON married ELIZABETH REITER daughter EMMA married WESLEY GREEN PIERCE daughter BERTHA married JAMES HARRISON BITTICK I would love to make contact with descendants of any of these families. William G. and Minerva were my g grand parents. Their oldest son Charles Howard Manion who Married Fannie Chance were my grandparents. I have pictures of Minerva Manion in her later years, but do not have a picture of William G. and am hoping that some descendants out there might have some. I would be happy to share any of the pictures I have, which includes some pictures of my dad with some of his Pierce cousins. Also information as to which BROWN family James McCulloch's wife might have belonged to is still unknown to me, and any help there would be appreciated also. Martha Manion Benson

Everyone, as compelled as you may be to respond to flamed comments, please refrain and know I will be working behind the scenes fixing the problem. Please review the list policies as flaming can result in being on the reject list! LaDonna [email protected] [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

This list has historically been the kindest place in Cyberspace -- or at minimum the kindest list in my email. Knowledge is shared at no cost. Newbies are helped & supported. Geography and phase-of-life are accepted as realities. Thanks to all who have helped me in my Jefferson County research! Jean (researching Moran, Geatley, and a host of others!)

Larry: Now that we have that settled I will be more than happy to advise you. Back in genealogy 101 the first thing one learns to do is to sit down with pencil in hand and make a list, starting with self and back through parents, grandparents, etc as far as one can go, setting out known facts re birth, marriage and death dates and locations. Most people can easily get a good list for 3 generations, after that it gets much more difficult. Calculating 30 yrs. per generation many (most?) folks can get back to about 1850, depending of course upon one's age at the time. This of course is only about 60 years separated from the 1790 census, or about the same time as has elapsed since World War Two, not much time as history goes. The technique then is to gather up your surnames, check each volume of the 1790, and, utilizing the census bureau's publication "Century of Population Growth" (published in conjunction with the 1790 census in 1890) which includes a frequency table illustrating the number of times and locatlion that any given surname appears in each state in 1790, you can actually get a very good indicator or the state or origin of your people, at least as far as 1790 in concerned. Then of course you use a little name analysis technique to eliminate or confirm likely choices, and work both ends against the middle to determine the most likely origin (1790 version) of your line. A very simple technique that works well. Be aware of course that the census of 1790 was destroyed for several states, being as I recall New Jersey, Delaware, Georgia and Kentucky, as well as the Northwest Territory and Territory South of the River Ohio (Tennessee in other words). Also keep in mind that the census of Virginia includes what is now West Virginia but is not really a census at all, but rather a compilation from the 1782 and 1785 tax lists and many counties are omitted. People who do all their "research" by computer have very little access to primary or strong secondary sources, mainly they just wind up exchanging "data" with others who are so fond of saying "I have" or "I show" without giving a single source or reference. In this way errors, mistakes and downright frauds are spread, perpetuated and eventually obtain the sanctity of the gospel. There are numerous texts on the methodology of genealogical research. One that comes to mind is "Search and Research" which is still, I believe, in print. Try it! The 1790 census is in print at about $25 per volume from any good bookseller. It is a wonderful tool. The internet contains very little in the form of primary or even good secondary source material. There is no substitute for library or courthouse research at this time. Hopefully eventually the internet will contain such material and the 1790 census is a good addition, but is readily available otherwise. A great and highly comendable example of good research made avaiable by internet researchers is typified by the abstraction and transcription of Charlotte's Pearls and the other Jefferson County newspapers as being produced by so many people on this website at this time. If one's ancestry does not extend back to 1790 in this country, the various 1850 census indexes (available in good libraries) can be just as effective as a starting tool. Good luck, Dan

I got right into the files on my first try. I have gone back and done additional research without any problems. I have DSL and it didn't take more than a few seconds to get into the files. Larry > > From: Linda Reichert <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/03/30 Wed PM 08:52:03 GMT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > > yah, that is a big file, worth it but big....will need to have > patience..... :o) > > click to down load then make a sandwich and come back *grin* > > Linda > > On Mar 30, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Bob Patterson wrote: > > > I right clicked on the Maryland ZIP file (38.2MB) and downloaded in > > about 11 > > minutes, using a PC with a medium highspeed cable connection. I got > > five PDF > > files which I'm able to read fairly easily. Larger files and/or slower > > connections could take a lot longer. > > Bob Patterson > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Linda Reichert [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:23 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > > > > I have not tried it yet, but I know the files appeared to be VERY > > large.........some were PDF I think....you can try instead of clicking > > on the file, click and hold to "download link to disk" That is what the > > mac says, pc may have a different instruction. > > > > But that way you are saving it to your computer, then open from your > > desktop, much less risk for errors. > > > > I will attempt to get there and try it this afternoon and resend what > > happens to my try. > > > > Linda > > > > > > On Mar 30, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Barb Lynn wrote: > > > >> I tried opening the file for VA, it never loaded either. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:27 AM > >> Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > >> > >> > >>> Yes, I had trouble. In fact, I never did get into the site. Great > >>> resource, > >>> just wish I could get into it. > >>> Mary > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > >> Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society > >> www.rootsweb.com/~mojcgs/index.html > >> Jefferson Co. Hist. Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/jchs/index.html > >> Jefferson Co. MOGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/index.html > >> > >> ============================== > >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > >> the > >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > > > > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Jefferson County was organized December 8, 1818 (effective > > January 1, 1819) from St. Louis and Ste. Genevieve counties > > and was named for Thomas Jefferson. County Seat: Hillsboro, 63050. > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojcgs/index.html > > Jefferson Co. Hist. Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/jchs/index.html > > Jefferson Co. MOGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/index.html > > > > ============================== > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > New Hartford was the first town in Jefferson County. Planned by Christian Wilt and John W. Honey in 1806, the town was located on the Mississippi near the present town of Herculaneum. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I learned to use original records when available, if originals aren't available, then use transcribed records. If I have used transcriptions, whenever I have a chance to check the information against the original I do so. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > The whole thing is available in book form at any decent research library, > has > been for 60 years. If you are seriously doing genealogy and have not used > the 1790 census you need to rethink your hobby and take up something else. > Dan > >

Dan Now that I have decided to be a smart ass I'll need your help in looking up the appropriate book in the research library. All I really know how to do at this point is click a link for internet research. Based on your years of experience tell me what book I should get. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > The whole thing is available in book form at any decent research library, has > been for 60 years. If you are seriously doing genealogy and have not used > the 1790 census you need to rethink your hobby and take up something else. Dan > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > If you are having problems receiving list mail, is your mailbox full? Check your spam box? Check your ISP for spam filter settings? Contact the List Administrator [email protected] with difficulties. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

The whole thing is available in book form at any decent research library, has been for 60 years. If you are seriously doing genealogy and have not used the 1790 census you need to rethink your hobby and take up something else. Dan

Dan I think we should all take up being a smart ass like you. Thats the hobby I want to take up. Give us some lessons so we can be like you. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > The whole thing is available in book form at any decent research library, has > been for 60 years. If you are seriously doing genealogy and have not used > the 1790 census you need to rethink your hobby and take up something else. Dan > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > If you are having problems receiving list mail, is your mailbox full? Check your spam box? Check your ISP for spam filter settings? Contact the List Administrator [email protected] with difficulties. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

yah, that is a big file, worth it but big....will need to have patience..... :o) click to down load then make a sandwich and come back *grin* Linda On Mar 30, 2005, at 2:40 PM, Bob Patterson wrote: > I right clicked on the Maryland ZIP file (38.2MB) and downloaded in > about 11 > minutes, using a PC with a medium highspeed cable connection. I got > five PDF > files which I'm able to read fairly easily. Larger files and/or slower > connections could take a lot longer. > Bob Patterson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Reichert [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:23 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > > I have not tried it yet, but I know the files appeared to be VERY > large.........some were PDF I think....you can try instead of clicking > on the file, click and hold to "download link to disk" That is what the > mac says, pc may have a different instruction. > > But that way you are saving it to your computer, then open from your > desktop, much less risk for errors. > > I will attempt to get there and try it this afternoon and resend what > happens to my try. > > Linda > > > On Mar 30, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Barb Lynn wrote: > >> I tried opening the file for VA, it never loaded either. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census >> >> >>> Yes, I had trouble. In fact, I never did get into the site. Great >>> resource, >>> just wish I could get into it. >>> Mary >>> >> >> >> >> ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== >> Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society >> www.rootsweb.com/~mojcgs/index.html >> Jefferson Co. Hist. Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/jchs/index.html >> Jefferson Co. MOGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/index.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and >> the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Jefferson County was organized December 8, 1818 (effective > January 1, 1819) from St. Louis and Ste. Genevieve counties > and was named for Thomas Jefferson. County Seat: Hillsboro, 63050. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojcgs/index.html > Jefferson Co. Hist. Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/jchs/index.html > Jefferson Co. MOGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/index.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I right clicked on the Maryland ZIP file (38.2MB) and downloaded in about 11 minutes, using a PC with a medium highspeed cable connection. I got five PDF files which I'm able to read fairly easily. Larger files and/or slower connections could take a lot longer. Bob Patterson -----Original Message----- From: Linda Reichert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census I have not tried it yet, but I know the files appeared to be VERY large.........some were PDF I think....you can try instead of clicking on the file, click and hold to "download link to disk" That is what the mac says, pc may have a different instruction. But that way you are saving it to your computer, then open from your desktop, much less risk for errors. I will attempt to get there and try it this afternoon and resend what happens to my try. Linda On Mar 30, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Barb Lynn wrote: > I tried opening the file for VA, it never loaded either. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > > >> Yes, I had trouble. In fact, I never did get into the site. Great >> resource, >> just wish I could get into it. >> Mary >> > > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojcgs/index.html > Jefferson Co. Hist. Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/jchs/index.html > Jefferson Co. MOGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== Jefferson County was organized December 8, 1818 (effective January 1, 1819) from St. Louis and Ste. Genevieve counties and was named for Thomas Jefferson. County Seat: Hillsboro, 63050. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Just to remind everyone -- Charlotte's Pearls are now archived permanently at http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/usa_genealogy/mo_newspaper.htm -------------------------------- Jefferson Democrat Hillsboro, Jefferson County, Missouri Part II WEDNESDAY 12 SEPTEMBER 1883 HOUSE'S SPRING - Mr. VANDERCIUYSEN has increased his water power by adding an over shotwheel to his mill. He will now do good business in the way of grinding and sawing. One day last week George BOWELS, Gas. BURGAN and Charlie PRICE killed sixty-eight squirrels. How is that for one day's hunt? Simeon STEWART, one night last week, got up in his sleep and walked out. He fell from the porch and broke his collarbone. Wm. WILSON is about through assessing Meramec township. He says, there are more people living in Meramec than he thought there were. We had a wedding in our neighborhood last Wednesday. Abraham CROMWELL and Miss Katie KIDD were married Father STEPEHNS officiating. September 8, 1883. WEDNESDAY 19 SEPTEMBER 1883 Henry SEEMEL's daughter, Anna, is very sick. Mr. WELCH of Danison, Texas, paid his brother at this place a visit this week. 'Squire HONEY is able to be around a little, and will be ready for business soon. E. SCHLAFFKE of HORINE threshed this season 15,000 bushels of wheat and 2,000 of oats. Mr. VOLLMAR will have fresh fish every Thursday. If you want some, leave your orders with him. We learn that there is a new arrival at neighbor MOUNTEL's. We do not know the sex of the little stianger(?). A new post office has been established at Limitville and is called "Festus," with S.T. WAGGENER as postmaster. Subscribers who wish their papers directed to Festus will please notify us. Joel BOOTH, W.T. HENSLEY and William MORRIS got back from Dakota this week, the first on a 6-weeks visit, the other two to remain all winter. Joel reports all the Missouri folks in good health and making a living, and with fair prospect for a good thing in the near future. Several of them will, probably, be back here before winter. There were, doubtless several omissions in our published report of premiums awarded at the county fair. We are ready and anxious to correct all mistaken when brought to our notice. The sweepstakes premium awarded to W.G.MANION's bull, and County court premium for best stallion to J.H. KETTLEMANN's horse. W.L. REID received the sweepstakes for the best brood mare, and H.F. HAGEN, instead of John TULLOCK, took the premium on corn. 'Squire McFARLAND has been at his old business again. On the 13th inst., at the residence of Mrs. TRIMBLE, mother of the bride, he married Henry LEUTZINGER to Miss Sarah R. TRIMBLE, and on the same day, at his office, he married Oliver HUNET to Miss Mary HINKLEY. The'Squire, in a private note to us, says he married five couples in twenty-nine days and expects two more before acorns fall. He is teaching school now, besides taking care of his farm and stock. The only thing troubling him at present is a couple of those hound pups, which he still has to give away. We hope the 'Squire won't get too proud over his prosperity to recognize old friends when he meets them. The fatman visited Pevely one day of this week, and says that JEUDE & GREVE have one of the best regulated country stores he ever saw, and that they will sell as cheap, if not lower, than any house south of St. Louis. He also noted down the following news items: About three weeks ago a wagon containing six persons, while crossing the railroad, was turned over, seriously hurting two of the occupants. Mr. Joshua HERRINGTON, aged 83 years, broke his collar bone, and Mrs. Mathis VALENTINE fractured a leg. Both are doing as well as could be expected... Mr. ENGLEBACH has erected a neat little house, the skeleton of a ram's head and a pair of horns from a Texas steer denoting that it is used as a meatmarket. DE SOTO DOINGS - Miss Lotty EVANS and Mr.Charles PRATTE were quietly married, on the 5th inst., and when the guests assembled at Mrs. EVANS' residence on the 10th inst., they were surprised to learn that they wee five days late for the wedding. A fine supper and good music soon got the company in a good humor, and a pleasant evening was spent.

Was going through some picture belonging to my grandmother, Ellen McDonnell. And found a picture post card sent to her, of "Julia Megrown" date of post card, April. 1916. If it rings any bells for any one, you can claim it. Mary Ellen

Yes, I had trouble. In fact, I never did get into the site. Great resource, just wish I could get into it. Mary In a message dated 3/30/2005 4:17:37 AM Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good morning! I had trouble getting some of the pages to load, did anyone else? Thanks for the resource! Jean (Still looking for Moran, Geatley, Hildebrand, and others!)

I have not tried it yet, but I know the files appeared to be VERY large.........some were PDF I think....you can try instead of clicking on the file, click and hold to "download link to disk" That is what the mac says, pc may have a different instruction. But that way you are saving it to your computer, then open from your desktop, much less risk for errors. I will attempt to get there and try it this afternoon and resend what happens to my try. Linda On Mar 30, 2005, at 8:46 AM, Barb Lynn wrote: > I tried opening the file for VA, it never loaded either. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > > >> Yes, I had trouble. In fact, I never did get into the site. Great >> resource, >> just wish I could get into it. >> Mary >> > > > > ==== MOJEFFER Mailing List ==== > Jefferson Co. Genealogical Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojcgs/index.html > Jefferson Co. Hist. Society www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/jchs/index.html > Jefferson Co. MOGenWeb www.rootsweb.com/~mojeffer/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

I tried opening the file for VA, it never loaded either. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [MOJEFFER] 1790 Census > Yes, I had trouble. In fact, I never did get into the site. Great > resource, > just wish I could get into it. > Mary >

Good morning! I had trouble getting some of the pages to load, did anyone else? Thanks for the resource! Jean (Still looking for Moran, Geatley, Hildebrand, and others!)