This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carriebias Surnames: HOWELL of Jasper Co, MO, IL and OH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In the 1880 Census, Madison Township, Jasper Co, MO the Daniel Howell is my GG grandfather, he was first married to Elizabeth Abrams (she died in Oct 1879) at some point after the death of ELizbeth, Daniel either married or lived with Annie/Ann E. Pool. Annie Pool was a much younger woman that had been working in the home during the illness of Elizabeth Howell. I think from reading between the lines of what has come down via the family grapevine that most of the children (12 of them) of Daniel and Elizabeth were not pleased about Annie living/married to their dad, Daniel. As a result the family lore states that Daniel moved to Texas. I am not sure if that was the state of Texas or Texas, MO Daniel's brother James Howell did not serve in the Civil War as far as I have ever been able to locate records. And that specific James could not be the one you mention as he died in 1871 not 1901. Daniel's son, James was not born until 1853 and died in 1923, he is my G-Grandfather and he also did not serve in the Civil War. Of course there were sons of Daniel that did serve in the Civil War, they were older than James F Howell, my G-Grandfather. I am sure there were also cousins of my Great Grandfather that served, but I have not traced all of them.....I will follow up on ANCESTRY on those records, I may find another branch of my family connection as a result! Now as to the John Howell that committed suicide, that may well have been the brother of my Daniel Howell, I have the brother, John as born in 1805, he was married to ELizabeth Jones in 1829 in Macon Co, IL....so at some point he possibly may have moved on with the family to Jasper Co, MO. I do not know for sure as I have no death info for either John or his wife, Elizabeth (Jones) Howell. They had a son Daniel, but I do not have any birth info for him so can not again check to see if the family moved on to Jasper Co, MO. Unfortunately, we have been in a transition mode for the last 2 1/2 years of moving from one location to another.....job relocations.....but as of the 15th of March we will FINALLY be in our PERMANENT home! At that time I can finally unpack all of my genalogy hard copy info out of boxes.....I know I have Much MORE info on the Howell family in those records and so maybe I will find that this John is the one that committed suicide. I will be back to you and let you know.....I think if would be a huge coincidence to have two John Howells in the right time period, and one of them so close to the cemetery where Elizabeth (Abrams) Howell is buried and that they would not be related or possibly one of her sons and the same person!!!! Again thanks for the heads up on the James Howell that fought in the Civil War from OH, as that is where our family traces its origins and then next to IL and then on to MO. Carrie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carriebias Surnames: HOWELL of Jasper Co, MO, IL and OH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In the 1880 Census, Madison Township, Jasper Co, MO the Daniel Howell is my GG grandfather, he was first married to Elizabeth Abrams (she died in Oct 1879) at some point after the death of ELizbeth, Daniel either married or lived with Annie/Ann E. Pool. Annie Pool was a much younger woman that had been working in the home during the illness of Elizabeth Howell. I think from reading between the lines of what has come down via the family grapevine that most of the children (12 of them) of Daniel and Elizabeth were not pleased about Annie living/married to their dad, Daniel. As a result the family lore states that Daniel moved to Texas. I am not sure if that was the state of Texas or Texas, MO Daniel's brother James Howell did not serve in the Civil War as far as I have ever been able to locate records. And that specific James could not be the one you mention as he died in 1871 not 1901. Daniel's son, James was not born until 1853 and died in 1923, he is my G-Grandfather and he also did not serve in the Civil War. Of course there were sons of Daniel that did serve in the Civil War, they were older than James F Howell, my G-Grandfather. I am sure there were also cousins of my Great Grandfather that served, but I have not traced all of them.....I will follow up on ANCESTRY on those records, I may find another branch of my family connection as a result! Now as to the John Howell that committed suicide, that may well have been the brother of my Daniel Howell, I have the brother, John as born in 1805, he was married to ELizabeth Jones in 1829 in Macon Co, IL....so at some point he possibly may have moved on with the family to Jasper Co, MO. I do not know for sure as I have no death info for either John or his wife, Elizabeth (Jones) Howell. They had a son Daniel, but I do not have any birth info for him so can not again check to see if the family moved on to Jasper Co, MO. Unfortunately, we have been in a transition for the last 2 1/2 years of moving from one location to another.....job relocations.....but as of the 15th of March we will FINALLY be in our PERMANENT home! At that time I can finally unpack all of my hard copy info out of all of the boxes.....I know I have Much MORE info on the Howell family in those records and so maybe I will find that this John is the one that committed suicide. I will be back to you and let you know.....I think if would be a huge coincidence to have to John Howells in the right time period, and one of them so close to the cemetery and that they would not be related or the same person!!!! Again thanks for the heads up on the John Howell that fought in the Civil War from OH, as that is where our family traces its origins and next to IL and then to MO. Carrie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: foxtrot048 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I thought I had found something, but maybe not. The 1880 census for Jasper County looks like Daniel's wife is listed as "Am". There was a Daniel Howell who had a wife named Amanda. In 1889 he filed for a Civil War Pension. He died about 1900-1901 and his wife, Amanda J., filed for a widow's pension in Feb. 1901. This Daniel was in Co. G. 14 Ohio Infantry. Must be wrong one. You can go to the Civil War Pension Index in AncestryLibrary.com and see the application or I can scan and send an image. I could not find any reference to any Howells going to Texas. The librarian in the genealogy room could not figure out that reference about them going to Texas, either. There were other Howells living in Jasper County. A John Howell committed suicide by hanging in about 1889. He was about the same age as Daniel. I think I told you about that one back when I took that picture of Elizabeth's stone. He lived not far from Hackney Cem. John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Orlena, I agree with you 100%. When preparing your family tree (or documenting your GEDCOM file), knowing if cousins share more than one grandparent is important and useful in research. This information should be included as well as any other you have learned in the course of your research. The genealogical (or family tree) software with which I am familiar provide for incorporating known data about parentage when you enter your family tree into a computer. My only point is that the term first cousin is defined as a person who shares one grandparent with another person. If they share two grandparents they are still first cousins. First cousins can even share the same two grandparents in more than one way, and they possibly could share all four grandparents without being siblings. To be precise, you must include the family link when you specify a relationship as first cousin. In my case, my father's mother was the daughter of John Riley and Mary Humphrey. Mary Humphrey died after my grandmother was born, and her father John Riley remarried Elizabeth Powers with whom he had four more children. Those children were first cousins of my father in the Riley line but in neither the Humphrey or Powers lines. There is no denying that such information is important when you are trying to find all of your family relationships. Back when my father was a lad, he would have been severely reprimanded if he had ever referred to one of his mother's "half brothers" as a half uncle or to any of his "half cousins" as anything but cousins. If you want to get "up" on all of the identifications, the Wikipedia online encyclopedia is an excellent resource, one which you can be sure is monitored by professional genealogists. Charles On 10 Feb 2008, at 10:30 PM, Orlena wrote: > I'm not a genealogist and I'm certainly not up to all the > identifications, BUT it seems it would make a difference to know > the person was a full, half, step, adopted, foster, courtesy or > whatever description would help keep you from chasing their > ancestors you had absolutely no interest in. Not only that it would > keep you from trying to find how they fit into your family tree, > when they didn't. > > In these circumstances, if available the exact relationship and > how is always appreciated. > > Without those relationship notes, research can get very confusing > and be very frustrating. > > For example: I was helping someone with her family tree. She had > two cousins, surnames the same, different than hers, but shared > with her grandmother. She spent years looking for the common > ancestors. The one we could not connect to the other at all. My > conclusion, they were both her cousins, but either not related to > each other, or the relationship was through the maternal lines and > the surnames were a coincidence. > > My mother-in-law had an Uncle Frank Canady and his wife was Aunt > Mary. This gentleman I can not relate to her Canadys at all. We > don't have any information on him or his wife Mary. She may have > been related via Mary instead of Frank, or to his mother, not his > father. This could have also been a courtesy title and they were no > relation at all. > > I left a jar with contact information in it several years ago on > their graves, finally I got an email just awhile back... > Unfortunately she was asking if I knew who his parents were. She > belonged to his line, but had no information about his family. > > My mother-in-law had no idea either, but she'd called them Uncle > and Aunt. > > So, I'm for as much information as possible, just in case you or > someone needs it later. > > Orlena > ~~~~~ >

Jay, I don't wish to belabor the point, BUT for a person to be your first cousin it is by definition sufficient that the two of you share one grandparent. It is obviously not wrong to use the term half first cousin if you don't share two grandparents, but it is neither necessary nor customary. The term half first cousin is not conventionally used by genealogists and is immaterial when you are tracing lines of descendants from an ancestor. The terms half-brother and half-sister are often used, although those terms also are immaterial when tracing descendants of an ancestor. Charles On 10 Feb 2008, at 5:30 PM, John Sandy wrote: > Charles, > Thanks for your reply. After reading the various replies and > looking at several sites on the interner, I am convinced that it is > ok to speak of a half-cousin relationship. Jay > > Charles Whitsett <chaswhit@charter.net> wrote: > Jay, > > A cousin is someone who has approximately as many genes as you > inherited from a common ancestor. For a person to be a first cousin, > that common ancestor had to be only one generation before one of your > parents. For a second cousin, that common ancestor had to be only two > generations before one of your parents. For an Nth cousin, that > common ancestor was N generations before one of your parents. The > term "first cousin" implies "a common grandparent". Of course, having > three or four grandparents in common elevates a cousin into a sibling > (or "zeroth" cousin). > > First cousins share either a grandfather or a grandmother with you. > Even though second cousins most likely share only a fourth of your > great grandparents you never qualify them as quarter second cousins. > > If your father's surname was Jones, and if your mother was born a > Smith, you could qualify your first cousins as "first cousin on the > Jones side" or "first cousin on the Smith side". The same is the case > for more distant cousins, but when you are doing the family history > of your Jones or Smith sides, you rarely qualify the relatedness of > your more distant cousins. They are all cousins because you and they > share a common ancestor. > > If N is large enough (50? 100? 1000?) the list of the Nth-great > grandparents of your Nth cousin would be nearly identical with your > list of Nth-great grandparents, and so it wouldn't matter which line > of descendants you are talking about. > > Wandering a little more off topic, it is unlikely that you inherited > equal numbers of genes from all of your grandparents, and it is > practically certain that you inherited more genes from one distant > great grandparent than from any of the others. > > Charles Whitsett > On 9 Feb 2008, at 8:20 PM, John Sandy wrote: > >> Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation >> arises with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: >> Clara is the daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his >> first wife, Nancy. Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and >> they have several children, one of which is Mary. Mary marries and >> has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, therefore, have the SAME >> grandfather (Jonathan) but different grandmothers. Now since they >> have a common grandfather, there is a First cousin relationship BUT >> since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother to Pete's mother, >> Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st half-cousins? >> >> Would appreicate any suggestions. >> >> Thanks Jay >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not a genealogist and I'm certainly not up to all the identifications, BUT it seems it would make a difference to know the person was a full, half, step, adopted, foster, courtesy or whatever description would help keep you from chasing their ancestors you had absolutely no interest in. Not only that it would keep you from trying to find how they fit into your family tree, when they didn't. In these circumstances, if available the exact relationship and how is always appreciated. Without those relationship notes, research can get very confusing and be very frustrating. For example: I was helping someone with her family tree. She had two cousins, surnames the same, different than hers, but shared with her grandmother. She spent years looking for the common ancestors. The one we could not connect to the other at all. My conclusion, they were both her cousins, but either not related to each other, or the relationship was through the maternal lines and the surnames were a coincidence. My mother-in-law had an Uncle Frank Canady and his wife was Aunt Mary. This gentleman I can not relate to her Canadys at all. We don't have any information on him or his wife Mary. She may have been related via Mary instead of Frank, or to his mother, not his father. This could have also been a courtesy title and they were no relation at all. I left a jar with contact information in it several years ago on their graves, finally I got an email just awhile back... Unfortunately she was asking if I knew who his parents were. She belonged to his line, but had no information about his family. My mother-in-law had no idea either, but she'd called them Uncle and Aunt. So, I'm for as much information as possible, just in case you or someone needs it later. Orlena ~~~~~ Charles Whitsett <chaswhit@charter.net> wrote: Jay, I don't wish to belabor the point, BUT for a person to be your first cousin it is by definition sufficient that the two of you share one grandparent. It is obviously not wrong to use the term half first cousin if you don't share two grandparents, but it is neither necessary nor customary. The term half first cousin is not conventionally used by genealogists and is immaterial when you are tracing lines of descendants from an ancestor. The terms half-brother and half-sister are often used, although those terms also are immaterial when tracing descendants of an ancestor. Charles On 10 Feb 2008, at 5:30 PM, John Sandy wrote: > Charles, > Thanks for your reply. After reading the various replies and > looking at several sites on the interner, I am convinced that it is > ok to speak of a half-cousin relationship. Jay > > Charles Whitsett wrote: > Jay, > > A cousin is someone who has approximately as many genes as you > inherited from a common ancestor. For a person to be a first cousin, > that common ancestor had to be only one generation before one of your > parents. For a second cousin, that common ancestor had to be only two > generations before one of your parents. For an Nth cousin, that > common ancestor was N generations before one of your parents. The > term "first cousin" implies "a common grandparent". Of course, having > three or four grandparents in common elevates a cousin into a sibling > (or "zeroth" cousin). > > First cousins share either a grandfather or a grandmother with you. > Even though second cousins most likely share only a fourth of your > great grandparents you never qualify them as quarter second cousins. > > If your father's surname was Jones, and if your mother was born a > Smith, you could qualify your first cousins as "first cousin on the > Jones side" or "first cousin on the Smith side". The same is the case > for more distant cousins, but when you are doing the family history > of your Jones or Smith sides, you rarely qualify the relatedness of > your more distant cousins. They are all cousins because you and they > share a common ancestor. > > If N is large enough (50? 100? 1000?) the list of the Nth-great > grandparents of your Nth cousin would be nearly identical with your > list of Nth-great grandparents, and so it wouldn't matter which line > of descendants you are talking about. > > Wandering a little more off topic, it is unlikely that you inherited > equal numbers of genes from all of your grandparents, and it is > practically certain that you inherited more genes from one distant > great grandparent than from any of the others. > > Charles Whitsett > On 9 Feb 2008, at 8:20 PM, John Sandy wrote: > >> Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation >> arises with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: >> Clara is the daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his >> first wife, Nancy. Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and >> they have several children, one of which is Mary. Mary marries and >> has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, therefore, have the SAME >> grandfather (Jonathan) but different grandmothers. Now since they >> have a common grandfather, there is a First cousin relationship BUT >> since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother to Pete's mother, >> Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st half-cousins? >> >> Would appreicate any suggestions. >> >> Thanks Jay >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Charles, Thanks for your reply. After reading the various replies and looking at several sites on the interner, I am convinced that it is ok to speak of a half-cousin relationship. Jay Charles Whitsett <chaswhit@charter.net> wrote: Jay, A cousin is someone who has approximately as many genes as you inherited from a common ancestor. For a person to be a first cousin, that common ancestor had to be only one generation before one of your parents. For a second cousin, that common ancestor had to be only two generations before one of your parents. For an Nth cousin, that common ancestor was N generations before one of your parents. The term "first cousin" implies "a common grandparent". Of course, having three or four grandparents in common elevates a cousin into a sibling (or "zeroth" cousin). First cousins share either a grandfather or a grandmother with you. Even though second cousins most likely share only a fourth of your great grandparents you never qualify them as quarter second cousins. If your father's surname was Jones, and if your mother was born a Smith, you could qualify your first cousins as "first cousin on the Jones side" or "first cousin on the Smith side". The same is the case for more distant cousins, but when you are doing the family history of your Jones or Smith sides, you rarely qualify the relatedness of your more distant cousins. They are all cousins because you and they share a common ancestor. If N is large enough (50? 100? 1000?) the list of the Nth-great grandparents of your Nth cousin would be nearly identical with your list of Nth-great grandparents, and so it wouldn't matter which line of descendants you are talking about. Wandering a little more off topic, it is unlikely that you inherited equal numbers of genes from all of your grandparents, and it is practically certain that you inherited more genes from one distant great grandparent than from any of the others. Charles Whitsett On 9 Feb 2008, at 8:20 PM, John Sandy wrote: > Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation > arises with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: > Clara is the daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his > first wife, Nancy. Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and > they have several children, one of which is Mary. Mary marries and > has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, therefore, have the SAME > grandfather (Jonathan) but different grandmothers. Now since they > have a common grandfather, there is a First cousin relationship BUT > since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother to Pete's mother, > Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st half-cousins? > > Would appreicate any suggestions. > > Thanks Jay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jay, A cousin is someone who has approximately as many genes as you inherited from a common ancestor. For a person to be a first cousin, that common ancestor had to be only one generation before one of your parents. For a second cousin, that common ancestor had to be only two generations before one of your parents. For an Nth cousin, that common ancestor was N generations before one of your parents. The term "first cousin" implies "a common grandparent". Of course, having three or four grandparents in common elevates a cousin into a sibling (or "zeroth" cousin). First cousins share either a grandfather or a grandmother with you. Even though second cousins most likely share only a fourth of your great grandparents you never qualify them as quarter second cousins. If your father's surname was Jones, and if your mother was born a Smith, you could qualify your first cousins as "first cousin on the Jones side" or "first cousin on the Smith side". The same is the case for more distant cousins, but when you are doing the family history of your Jones or Smith sides, you rarely qualify the relatedness of your more distant cousins. They are all cousins because you and they share a common ancestor. If N is large enough (50? 100? 1000?) the list of the Nth-great grandparents of your Nth cousin would be nearly identical with your list of Nth-great grandparents, and so it wouldn't matter which line of descendants you are talking about. Wandering a little more off topic, it is unlikely that you inherited equal numbers of genes from all of your grandparents, and it is practically certain that you inherited more genes from one distant great grandparent than from any of the others. Charles Whitsett On 9 Feb 2008, at 8:20 PM, John Sandy wrote: > Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation > arises with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: > Clara is the daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his > first wife, Nancy. Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and > they have several children, one of which is Mary. Mary marries and > has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, therefore, have the SAME > grandfather (Jonathan) but different grandmothers. Now since they > have a common grandfather, there is a First cousin relationship BUT > since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother to Pete's mother, > Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st half-cousins? > > Would appreicate any suggestions. > > Thanks Jay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOJASPER- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, this describes a half-cousin. When 2 people have a common ancestor, but are descended from different spouses of that common ancestor, they have a "half" relationship.. On Feb 9, 2008 7:20 PM, John Sandy <ned7298@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation arises with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: Clara is the daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his first wife, Nancy. Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and they have several children, one of which is Mary. Mary marries and has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, therefore, have the SAME grandfather (Jonathan) but different grandmothers. Now since they have a common grandfather, there is a First cousin relationship BUT since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother to Pete's mother, Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st half-cousins? -- Mesa Mike LA de NM

Jay, What you have described is a First Half-Cousin Relationship where the cousins share one grandparent but not the other grandparent. You can enter "First Half-Cousin Relationship" on the internet and find various sites that describe this relationship. Ted Nairn ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sandy" <ned7298@sbcglobal.net> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] Need help on relationship nomenclature > Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation arises > with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: Clara is the > daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his first wife, Nancy. > Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and they have several children, > one of which is Mary. Mary marries and has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, > therefore, have the SAME grandfather (Jonathan) but different > grandmothers. Now since they have a common grandfather, there is a First > cousin relationship BUT since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother > to Pete's mother, Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st > half-cousins? > > Would appreicate any suggestions. > > Thanks Jay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOJASPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 > 11:54 AM > >

Sorry, I didn't answer your question. There is NOT a relationship known as 1st half-cousin, to my knowledge, and you won't see it in any relationship charts. Ron in Coralville, IA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sandy" <ned7298@sbcglobal.net> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] Need help on relationship nomenclature > Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation arises > with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: Clara is the > daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his first wife, Nancy. > Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and they have several children, > one of which is Mary. Mary marries and has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, > therefore, have the SAME grandfather (Jonathan) but different > grandmothers. Now since they have a common grandfather, there is a First > cousin relationship BUT since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother > to Pete's mother, Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st > half-cousins? > > Would appreicate any suggestions. > > Thanks Jay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOJASPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You can get a relationship chart at this website; http://genealogy.about.com/library/nrelationshipchart.htm Ron in Coralville, IA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sandy" <ned7298@sbcglobal.net> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] Need help on relationship nomenclature > Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation arises > with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: Clara is the > daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his first wife, Nancy. > Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and they have several children, > one of which is Mary. Mary marries and has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, > therefore, have the SAME grandfather (Jonathan) but different > grandmothers. Now since they have a common grandfather, there is a First > cousin relationship BUT since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother > to Pete's mother, Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st > half-cousins? > > Would appreicate any suggestions. > > Thanks Jay > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOJASPER-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Is there a relationship known as 1st half-cousin? The situation arises with the following relationship I'm trying to describe: Clara is the daughter of William who is the son of Jonathan and his first wife, Nancy. Nancy dies and Jonathan marries Julina and they have several children, one of which is Mary. Mary marries and has a son, Pete. Pete and Clara, therefore, have the SAME grandfather (Jonathan) but different grandmothers. Now since they have a common grandfather, there is a First cousin relationship BUT since Clara's father, William, is a half-brother to Pete's mother, Mary, are Pete and Clara just 1st cousins or 1st half-cousins? Would appreicate any suggestions. Thanks Jay

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carriebias Surnames: Howell, Abrams Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John, THANK YOU! Again! Yes I have done a lookup for Daniel in TX, but the last time he shows up in a census is the 1880 census, he is still in Jasper Co, MO. He has a new wife, Anne E. (Poole) Howell, and that is the last time that I can find him anywhere. He was 69 or 70 at that time, the census says 60, but that was misinformation. Annie was a hired girl that he married right after the death of Elizabeth (Abrams) Howell. None of the children moved to TX, a couple of grandchildren of Daniels ended up in TX. I have often wondered if it might not have been Texas County, MO that Daniel & Annie Moved to, but as the records for the 1890 census were destroyed, it has impossible to find them. I have searched the 1900 census without luck under both Daniel and Ann* Howell but could not locate either. I have also checked for the 1900 census records for both of the children that were listed with Daniel and Anne in the 1880 census, without luck there also. One of the children, was Leander Houck, the son of Daniel's daughter, Cynthia. SO the mystery of what happened to Daniel has not been solved as yet. Of 2 of Daniel's sons, 1 son, Lewis Howell disappeared in the Civil War, down south, no one has been able to find out if he was killed after he deserted on 16 Jan 1863. Another son, Levi Howell, came home from the war and went back down South and was never heard from again......so there are lot's of questions about the family in that generation..... Always hoping for more info to help solve some of the mysteries. This is my mother's family, she was born a Howell, the daughter of one of Daniel's grandsons. Oh well, maybe one day. Thanks again, Carrie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: J_Hendricks Surnames: LONGACRE, LINDSEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4919/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I need help please with an obit look-up in Joplin, MO. My Grandmother's first cousin: Maude Mae Lindsey m. Hugh Lee Longacre. She died 20 May 1942 in Joplin, MO. They had a son named Robert Lee Longacre who lived in Joplin for many years. Maude Longacre is buried at the Ozark Mem. Cem. Many Thanks for any help you may be able to give. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: foxtrot048 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I entered the listing exactly as it appears in my cemetery book and it appeared with 2 little **. Unfortunately I can't find out what those two stars refer to. There are some references in the front of the book and I will keep looking and see if I can find any other reference to Howells. I assume that you have checked Texas census for descendents of Daniel and Elizabeth and maybe even Daniel himself. Daniel could be buried at Hackney, but I know that there is no stone beside Elizabeth's. He might be unmarked. I will get back as soon as I can take a look at some of these references. The person who made the Hackney record is long gone. John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: foxtrot048 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I entered the listing exactly as it appears in my cemetery book and it appeared with 2 little **. Unfortunately I can't find out what those two stars refer to. There are some references in the front of the book and I will keep looking and see if I can find any other reference to Howells. I assume that you have checked Texas census for descendents of Daniel and Elizabeth and maybe even Daniel himself. Daniel could be buried at Hackney, but I know that there is no stone beside Elizabeth's. He might be unmarked. I will get back as soon as I can take a look at some of these references. The person who made the Hackney record is long gone. John Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: carriebias Surnames: Howell, Abrams Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: WHere did you find the reference to this family moved on to Texas? That has always been a family rumor with no evidence to athenticate the statement? Thank you for the info you supplied, I can now fill in the exact info on the birth and death of Elizabeth (Abrams) Howell. I really appreciate your response! Carrie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wickedbadmama Surnames: Harris, Grunden,German,Oleman Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4918/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for info on her sister Alice Oleman Grunden,her sister Opal Farmer and her brother Orval. Alice and Willis Grunden had daughter Maxine. Opal and Johnny Farmer had Wilma,Ramona,Betty,Bud and Alvin. Looking for info on Cora's sister Lillie,I think maybe she died as a child. Cannot find her in census but cannot find a Death cert. either. Her brother Chas Samuel died at 8 days old,found his Death cert. Looking for info on Cora's grandfather Barnett Harris,who were his parents,siblings,wife's maiden name? Daughter Sarah M, did she marry Charles Oleman?? Son William Harris married Ollie German,son George married stella. Looking for any info on Oleman Family - Gottlieb & Alantie,son George & Stella,son Charles & Sarah Harris?? and daughter Henretta did she marry?? lived in Ottawa Co. just across the Missouri line in Oklahoma. Cora and sister Opal both married Virgil Robinson. Opal and Virgil had a daughter,don't know her name. Gottlieb Oleman Company H 16th Cavalry Kansas Believe he may be buried in Seneca Cemetery. I think he landed in this country abt 1859,Married Alantie_____ ?? He is my Great grandfather and we know very little about him.Parents? Siblings?? Year he died?? If anyone can help me with this please get in touch through board or email me at wickedbadmama@yahoo.com Thank you, Penny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: foxtrot048 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.jasper/4899.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Howell, Elizabeth 9 Dec. 1810-31 Oct 1879 w of Daniel, nee Abrams ** this family moved on to Texas No more listings. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.