Ron Do you have a address ??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Grassi" <rgrassi@avalon.net> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [MOJASPER] Trip to Joplin > Marie, > > You will probably get that information from the County Recorder or County > Clerk's office. Those offices would be in Carthage, since that's the county > seat. > > Good luck! > > ciao, > > Ron >

Marie, You will probably get that information from the County Recorder or County Clerk's office. Those offices would be in Carthage, since that's the county seat. Good luck! ciao, Ron

I'm going to Joplin tomorrow to find a marriage /divorce and possibly death info. Where do I go for all this ???? Marie

Hello Listers. In resent days, there has been a spirited discussion on this list of which I have taken part. Discussion has & will be a welcomed thing here, but by the same token when others complain I need to cut the thread short. (BTW the persons who voiced their complaints in PRIVATE emails are appreciated, those who posted theirs to the entire list, thats a NO-NO). Not everyone will have the same opinion on every subject so discussion is a way to learn & share ideas. Just as each genealogist settles for their own level of proof, most follow the BCG guidelines but not all. Dave, Jerry, Renessa & the others who joined in this specific conversation, Thank You for your input, different opinions on subjects pertaining to the history, customs, lifestyles, occupations, (and of course these are all parts of genealogy) are WELCOMED on this list. Peace, Brenda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/1935 Message Board Post: Hi. I am looking for Sarah Hurley HOH as her husband Alexander passed away in 1901 and is buried in Carterville so am thinking the family is in Carterville. I believe there is a son Fred, daughters Fern, Rosa Jane, Minnie and possibly others. I believe Fred did not marry until 1913. Any help would be appreciated. Years ago when I was in Joplin I spent an afternoon at the library and found a section on Hurley's in a card catalogue. NOW I know they were all my family but 10 years ago.......Thanks. Lynn Hurley

You ALL need to get a life! Quit the bickering....for all of our sakes. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLB32838@aol.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [MOJASPER] Miners and; Factual History Can Be Painful > In a message dated 3/5/2002 6:28:02 PM Central Standard Time, > gerald.h.johnston@worldnet.att.net writes: > > > > > > You owe her an apology! If you were offended, you should have responded > > off-line. However, you did not. Therefore, SHAME - ON - YOU! > > FYI I did respond off line. And I also have been reading everything that > takes place in this forum for quite some time, with great interest. I know > well the lead and zinc mining situation in SW Missouri and Picher, Oklahoma. > And I to read the back and forth jousting that took place a couple of years > ago. But enough was enough. If a person wants to quote from a book or other > printed matter what was said about the miners then, let it be so. But I don't > believe the comments I read were anything other than personal which don't > belong in a public forum on genealogy. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.280 / Virus Database: 147 - Release Date: 9/11/2001

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/441.444.2 Message Board Post: This is part of my Thompson family. Email me.

Our country has been built upon the backs and deaths of the "blue collar" workers. My father was such a man, he labored in the mines and factories of Missouri, Oklahoma and Arizona, the agricultural fields, packing houses, canneries and shipyards/welding/machine shops of California, and woods, logging and fishing industries of Oregon/Washington, whatever he could find where we were located to pay the bills and buy food. He and our family was other mens "trash" every where we lived, but their trash was someone else's treasure. My father, the labor of his love, the clothes on mine and my brother's back, the food on our table, lessons of self reliance and independance were our heritage and treasure. Our working lives were hard and poor. Child labor? I started working in the fields when I was age 7. It didn't hurt me, it helped me, back then I am sure I wasn't "worth my salt" but it taught me how to work, follow orders, discipline. God help these youngsters today that are handed everything and have no work ethic. Those who only ask when is payday and expect it without finding out what they have to do to earn that pay are in for a rude awakening one day. Several who have worked for me and said to me when they have been asked to do something . . ."that isn't a part of my job description" . . . have had their final paychecks drawn and been shown the door. In the early years of the mines, any of them, albeit coal, lead, zinc, copper, I do not believe it was fully established what the human health hazards were. Perhaps, as soon as the mine officials knew or even had an inkling they should have done more to protect the miners. Then one must look at how far advanced was technology to do so. The poisoning and environmental hazards were not known and people lived where they lived, did what they did, not knowing they lived on a time-bomb, or were shortening their and their families lives. Whose fault is that? Do you blame yourself for actions you have taken when your knowledge was lacking or bad? If the answer is "no" then the answer to the first is also "no". Lovetra You cannot put down those people of earlier generations who did the same things we all do today. They did whatever was necessary in whatever walk of life they navigate in, to the best of their abilities and to the limits of their individual circumstances, to house, feed, and cloth their families. I am grateful to all of my ancestors for all they have contributed to who, what, and where I am with my own problems to live and deal with, some good and some bad. There have been good and bad in these 65 years because of location, industry and time. Whether I am trash in someone elses eyes isn't important. If I am trash in my eyes is of my own choosing. I know that was my father's philosophy and its a pretty good one. Lovetra DLB32838@aol.com wrote: > Brenda, your comments were indeed offensive. If you viewed then as such as > shown by your "disclaimer", they were best left unsaid. > I am the grandson of one of those "common mine workers" and I assure you, > there was nothing "common" about my grandfather, and he definitly was not > "poor human trash". He was a man working to support his family, as many did. > Dave -B

In a message dated 3/5/2002 7:47:55 PM Central Standard Time, marlowb@netzero.net writes: > I suspect you are new to this list or you would be aware that Brenda is a > kind, intelligent and helpful person. I know her to be as you describe her. And I am not new to the list, being subscribed to it under more then one username for quite some time. If the comments were laid out as quotes from a source printed long ago I would certainly have had nothing to say. As it were, they weren't. Thus, my response. I appreciate you comments, which were much more civil then some I have received on the subject. It has been a learning experiance. . Happy hunting. Dave -B

Lody: Below is the Jasper County, MO. website address, just e-mail it with your address. Subscribe, MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com Leitha & Don.

In a message dated 3/5/2002 6:28:02 PM Central Standard Time, gerald.h.johnston@worldnet.att.net writes: > > You owe her an apology! If you were offended, you should have responded > off-line. However, you did not. Therefore, SHAME - ON - YOU! FYI I did respond off line. And I also have been reading everything that takes place in this forum for quite some time, with great interest. I know well the lead and zinc mining situation in SW Missouri and Picher, Oklahoma. And I to read the back and forth jousting that took place a couple of years ago. But enough was enough. If a person wants to quote from a book or other printed matter what was said about the miners then, let it be so. But I don't believe the comments I read were anything other than personal which don't belong in a public forum on genealogy.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/1934 Message Board Post: My Green ancesters are from Jasper Co Missourri. Wesley Corneilus Green, George Washington Green, Joseph Lafayette, Jasper henry, Moses Edgar, and those are the only names I can recall at the moment. If any one out there has any information, that would be great. I am against a brick wall. I know that Joseph married Mary Dean in Jasper co and they had three children, Almeda, Gordon, and Howard. They came to Washington State in 1917? I think and Almeda married Roy McDowell in Spokane. Any help please let me know. Thank you in advance, Georgette

Thank you so much. I have 2 Williams ancestors that died in mining accidents. Don't know the name of the mines, but do have the dates of death. This should be a real treasure for me. Thanks again. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liaphaylen" <liaphayle@yahoo.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] Galena Mining Resources > For anyone who is interested, Galena does have a > Mining Library. It is directly across the street from > the Mining Museum in Galena, on 7th St. It has death > records, funeral records, cemetery locations & names, > bills of sale, all sorts of town records for people > who lived in Galena. I found my great-great > grandfather's funeral record there. > > There is also the Gene Russell Library next to the > Galena Board of Education, also on 7th St after the > intersection with Wood Street. > > Ronya FM > > --- Bill & Audrey Baker <wbbakersr@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Sorry I can't help you with any photos. > > > > Have you thought about wrinting your experieces for > > your family to read? > > I am in a senior writing class, and we write our > > memories for our families > > who might be interested in reading them some day. > > Maybe some of them might be interested, if not , > > what can we lose? > > You could also use a tape recorder if you don't like > > to write. > > It would be a loss if noone ever knew your life > > story. > > Just think... from the horse & buggy, to the space > > age! Wonderful history. > > Think about it, Please... for your family. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: LBonstein <LBonstein@msn.com> > > To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 10:05 PM > > Subject: [MOJASPER] re: Rob Roy Ratcliff > > > > > > > After reading your story concerning Picher, > > Oklahoma, I wish to tell you > > my expiernces there. > > > > > > My grandfather, Charlie Charboneau, was a lead, > > zinc, and jack miner for > > the Eagle Picher Mining company. You made mention > > of there being photos of > > the miners gathered in front of the mine shafts and > > was wondering how I > > could get some of the photos. > > > > > > I remember my grandad enjoying playing the violin, > > but before playing he > > would light a fire outside to scare off the > > mosquitoes. After a hard day at > > the mines he would come home and this would be the > > family entertainment. > > > > > > My brother and I were orphaned at a very young > > age. We went to live with > > my grandparents, Charlie and Sarah Charboneau. > > > > > > My brother and I would climb the chat piles from > > the mines and would > > gather copper and anything else we could find to > > help pay the grocery bill. > > I remember a small Mom & Pop grocery store burning > > to the ground and and > > leaving canned goods which was taken home for us to > > eat. Also my brother > > had a little steam engine that ran on alcohol and > > when we exausted the fuel > > for it we hooked it up to a treadle sewing machine. > > > > > > We lived close to the mine. One day my brother and > > I were sent to the > > store. On the way home while we were walking across > > the slush pond gates > > and I fell in. It was a very good feeling when > > someone grabbed me by the > > hair and pulled me out. Occassionaly they would > > open the gates and let the > > slush pond drain out into the streets. > > > > > > My grandmother would on occassion send us over to > > the blacksmith shop for > > small steel shavings, which she would put in > > vinegar, let it soak and then > > drink it. Never did know why she did it. > > > > > > Your letter stirred some of my memories of living > > in Picher and wanted to > > share some of my boyhood memories in this 91 years > > of my life. > > > > > > Please if anyone has photos of my grandad, Charlie > > Charboneau at the mines > > I would greatly like to be able to see them. > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ >

Dave, The "disclaimer" was for folks like you, who take comments too personally because anger flairs before brain cells kick in. Had you read my post entirely, you'd have noticed... My Grandfather, grand uncle & Father were all COMMON mine workers, not mine owners (who got rich off the backs of these COMMON folks & not "higher ups" in a mine company either who didn't get dirty while they made enough to support their families well). My father Raymond was sent into the mines at 10 YEARS OLD to work. His father Frank & uncle Earl already breaking their backs in the filth & grime. The Uncle got the "Miners Lung" for his hard work & devotion to the mines, and for the rest of his life was bedridden in a 3 room shack that didn't even have indoor plumbing. (Think the mine owner offered to at least put a toliet or water in the house for his faithful employee?? NOT) AS enlightened as some people are they fail to realize that their relation being a "mine worker" only compounds the issue of "where'd they go" when they up and moved. NONE of men who worked in these terrible conditions were COMMON. Each was a beaut! iful human being with talents each their own, and 2 above left records other than the mine work, they just happened to be common mine workers also. My father would also go along the tracks picking up coal that fell from the rail cars, to have heat & when the mines started playing out, he would do just about anything (His father Frank had died by then... wanna guess what from?? Lung disease) to keep his mother & siblings fed, odd jobs, in season pick strawberries... All to help his mother provide for their POOR family. And trying to find any documented proof of their time in the mines is next to impossible! Please read some of the old newspaper articles about the conditions in which these men & boys worked. I'm sure NONE of them would have chose to work in the mines,,, it was work that was abundantly available and usually if you were breathing there was a job for you. The poor human trash of the times is what these boys and men were in the mine owners eyes they were usable & ! discardable . I'm sorry if that offends you. Unless they were killed or maimed or did some outstanding thing, they didn't make "mining news". The mining boss' were morelike overseers. To his dying day, my father still carried the scars on his back from being beaten by the boss while he was working in the mines. Remember hearing of the miners strike about 100 years or so ago (PA or VA) & the mining companies used deadly force on the miners, killing quite a few? I researched for a gentleman who is writing a book on what happened to the mining companys' hench men who did the killing. 1 was sent as a "boss" to a mine in Webb City MO & who spent the rest of his days there. So next time you go through a fastfood restuarant, sit on a clean toliet at work, urinate in a clean urinal, pickup a frozen chicken for dinner or visit a nursing home & notice that "aunty M' isn't laying in her own urine or fecal matter, or a dozen other "lowly" jobs that are done by the "commonly invisible" people of today REMEMBER THANK THE PEOPLE WHO DO THE "COMMON" JOBS in 2002!! (I chose these jobs as an example, since I have either worked at them or have outstanding friends who still do) ----- Original Message ----- From: DLB32838@aol.com To: genealogyfairy@mcmsys.com Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [MOJASPER] Mining & Lead Brenda, your comments were indeed offensive. If you viewed them as such as shown by your "disclaimer", they were best left unsaid. I am the grandson of one of those "common mine workers" and I assure you, there was nothing "common" about my grandfather, and he definitly was not "poor human trash". He was a man working to support his family, as many did. Dave -B

Dave I suspect you are new to this list or you would be aware that Brenda is a kind, intelligent and helpful person. I applaud her response to your rantings and suggest you reread what sent you in such a strange direction. I'm sure if you read it enough times you will understand it eventually. I too descend from what was considered by the owners and the government then and all too often now, "POOR WHITE TRASH". They would have preferred not to have worked in the mines and smelters that killed them, often by the time they were 40. Fortunately, my ancestors were able to get out early so I was never exposed to the mine dangers but I never forgot my roots, nor will my children. Marlow Bumpus (Dillon/Lattin/Hart/McGuire/James/Conlee/Johnson/Long/Gardner/) Marlow ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLB32838@aol.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 1:50 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] Miners > Brenda, your comments were indeed offensive. If you viewed then as such as > shown by your "disclaimer", they were best left unsaid. > I am the grandson of one of those "common mine workers" and I assure you, > there was nothing "common" about my grandfather, and he definitly was not > "poor human trash". He was a man working to support his family, as many did. > Dave -B > > ---------------------------------------------------- Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today Only $9.95 per month! http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97

Dave; Being a child descended from miners myself; there was NOTHING offensive at all in what Brenda said. I have been reading her postings for almost two years now, she is way too much a lady to do anything offensive on-list, and probably off also! She was merely repeating what is common historical knowledge. Repeating how people were viewed by the government or their employers is not something that should be blamed on the historian. You owe her an apology! If you were offended, you should have responded off-line. However, you did not. Therefore, SHAME - ON - YOU! My dad's father, uncles, and several other family members died early deaths due to the lead poisoning. Sometimes the truth hurts. These people had to have work and did work under unsafe conditions. That is a matter of public record. My dad also is a nephew of one of the mine managers, and he is the first to admit this. We had a discussion on the list about two years ago now, in which people did not read through things and 'got their knickers in a twist!' This was also over the lead-poisoning in the area and how many people were exposed to it. In the 1960s and 1970s, Joplin had a very high, above average, rate of widowed women. Just stop by Messenger Towers sometime if you want to hear the truth about the lead in the area, etc.! They will also tell you how their families were treated by the 'Big Bosses.' History and fact are not always pleasant. Why be offended over the truth! Mine owners and our government did view these people as 'trash.' We know they were not. These mine workers were considered disposable and therefore there was not a lot of concern over their health and survival rate. It is sad to say, but the owners always had the thought that there was an endless supply of folks to replace the ones who got sick or died. Jerry Johnston ----- Original Message ----- From: <DLB32838@aol.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] Miners > Brenda, your comments were indeed offensive. If you viewed then as such as > shown by your "disclaimer", they were best left unsaid. > I am the grandson of one of those "common mine workers" and I assure you, > there was nothing "common" about my grandfather, and he definitly was not > "poor human trash". He was a man working to support his family, as many did. > Dave -B > >

Brenda, your comments were indeed offensive. If you viewed then as such as shown by your "disclaimer", they were best left unsaid. I am the grandson of one of those "common mine workers" and I assure you, there was nothing "common" about my grandfather, and he definitly was not "poor human trash". He was a man working to support his family, as many did. Dave -B

Someone found this for me, but thanks! I really appreciate all the offers! Renessa ----- Original Message ----- From: "marlowb" <marlowb@netzero.net> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [MOJASPER] 1900 Camden Co., MO Census lookup > Renessa > > I would be happy to try in return for some of the favors you have done for > me. I have access to the 1900 census on line but there are many images that > make up Jasper Co. Can you give me a twp or town/city for a starting point? > > Marlow Bumpus > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Renessa Lewis <GenMom@cableone.net> > To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:02 PM > Subject: [MOJASPER] 1900 Camden Co., MO Census lookup > > > > > > Does anyone have the 1900 census for this county? If so would you look > for a Thomas Howell and his wife Margaret. They have 2 children that I know > of for sure, Flora Etta(1883 - 1980) and Ethel Leone (1889 - ?). I'm pretty > sure both will be on the census, but Flora may have been married that year. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Renessa Lewis > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 >

Just my two cents: I didn't read Brenda's comments that way. I thought she was talking about the ordinary lives of ordinary people in a kind way. I think most of us doing genealogy are interest in our ordinary ancestors. My SW Missouri forbears were ordinary people, farmers, farm laborers, a preacher without a church, brakemen on the Frisco, a grocery-store owner. I don't yet know enough about them as human beings to know whether they were good people or not-so-good. (Although I found a newspaper article from Sarcoxie that said one had died drunk in jail at Pierce City. Not so good!) But they were ordinary people, and I'm proud of them for that. - Heather On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 DLB32838@aol.com wrote: > Brenda, your comments were indeed offensive. If you viewed then as such as > shown by your "disclaimer", they were best left unsaid. > I am the grandson of one of those "common mine workers" and I assure you, > there was nothing "common" about my grandfather, and he definitly was not > "poor human trash". He was a man working to support his family, as many did. > Dave -B

For anyone who is interested, Galena does have a Mining Library. It is directly across the street from the Mining Museum in Galena, on 7th St. It has death records, funeral records, cemetery locations & names, bills of sale, all sorts of town records for people who lived in Galena. I found my great-great grandfather's funeral record there. There is also the Gene Russell Library next to the Galena Board of Education, also on 7th St after the intersection with Wood Street. Ronya FM --- Bill & Audrey Baker <wbbakersr@yahoo.com> wrote: > Sorry I can't help you with any photos. > > Have you thought about wrinting your experieces for > your family to read? > I am in a senior writing class, and we write our > memories for our families > who might be interested in reading them some day. > Maybe some of them might be interested, if not , > what can we lose? > You could also use a tape recorder if you don't like > to write. > It would be a loss if noone ever knew your life > story. > Just think... from the horse & buggy, to the space > age! Wonderful history. > Think about it, Please... for your family. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: LBonstein <LBonstein@msn.com> > To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 10:05 PM > Subject: [MOJASPER] re: Rob Roy Ratcliff > > > > After reading your story concerning Picher, > Oklahoma, I wish to tell you > my expiernces there. > > > > My grandfather, Charlie Charboneau, was a lead, > zinc, and jack miner for > the Eagle Picher Mining company. You made mention > of there being photos of > the miners gathered in front of the mine shafts and > was wondering how I > could get some of the photos. > > > > I remember my grandad enjoying playing the violin, > but before playing he > would light a fire outside to scare off the > mosquitoes. After a hard day at > the mines he would come home and this would be the > family entertainment. > > > > My brother and I were orphaned at a very young > age. We went to live with > my grandparents, Charlie and Sarah Charboneau. > > > > My brother and I would climb the chat piles from > the mines and would > gather copper and anything else we could find to > help pay the grocery bill. > I remember a small Mom & Pop grocery store burning > to the ground and and > leaving canned goods which was taken home for us to > eat. Also my brother > had a little steam engine that ran on alcohol and > when we exausted the fuel > for it we hooked it up to a treadle sewing machine. > > > > We lived close to the mine. One day my brother and > I were sent to the > store. On the way home while we were walking across > the slush pond gates > and I fell in. It was a very good feeling when > someone grabbed me by the > hair and pulled me out. Occassionaly they would > open the gates and let the > slush pond drain out into the streets. > > > > My grandmother would on occassion send us over to > the blacksmith shop for > small steel shavings, which she would put in > vinegar, let it soak and then > drink it. Never did know why she did it. > > > > Your letter stirred some of my memories of living > in Picher and wanted to > share some of my boyhood memories in this 91 years > of my life. > > > > Please if anyone has photos of my grandad, Charlie > Charboneau at the mines > I would greatly like to be able to see them. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/