I know what you mean I did some research and yes IA was Indiana back then. It was change to IN and Iowa to IA but I did not get as to when it was change.. Also I do know that back in 1972 this happen to my parents, we moved from Califorina to Florida. My parents abbr. Ca for Califorina but the school system said that we was from Canada.. I do remember abbr. Califorina as Cal. Now that is a puzzles.. LOL I wonder if they every got my school records over 30yrs ago.. have a great weekend all

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ernest Brown" <ehbrown@eee.org> To: <mojasper-l-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 12:12 PM > I am searching for Luttrell\Littrell in Jasper Co in 1875/80. > My g-grandmother Mary J. Littrell married Jehue (Jay Hugh) Baker in Carthage in 1876. She died about 1889 in Delaware Co, OK.and is buried at Van Ward cemetery outside of Southwest City, Mo. I have never aeen able to located her in any census. The only proof I have of her is the marriage licence. Can anyone help, Please. > > Betty Gann Brown >

It isn't hard to figure out ... most of those people shown in the census were born prior to 1840 ... there sure weren't many people being born in that time period in Iowa ... many of these listings are in states east of Iowa and in that time not too many people would have been moving from Iowa back towards the east, Iowa by 1840-50's was just beginning to grow ...

LOL--seems everyone is as up in the air about this as I am. I tend to think Ia (capital I, small a) on the 1850 census, at least in reference to my Cooley's stands for Indiana. I have a couple of small biographical exerpts that mention the family being in Indiana, and no mention of Iowa. I am going to look around on my print out pages of the 1850 Census for the family, possibly there are people from Iowa (spelled out) as opposed to the Ia also. Thanks! Pat in WA state

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2039 Message Board Post: Hello, I am looking for any Pauk descendants of the Pauk family living in Jasper Co in 1920 John H. Edward Pauk 45 b ill m ger f ger Minnie Louise (Culver) md in Cass Co, Il 12-17-1895 age 41 ill fr fr William J. 20 mo Georgianne 13 mo Edward C. 10 mo Delmer E. 8 mo Southerland, Lenah L. 16 md listed as dau mo I cannot find this family in 1900 either Ill or Mo. Thanks Carrolyn Loughborough

Has anyone asked the National Archives what they think it means? MacMullenChild ----- Original Message ----- From: <Patcoolnet@aol.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 11:15 Subject: [MOJASPER] Ia vs today's IA > LOL--seems everyone is as up in the air about this as I am. I tend to think > Ia (capital I, small a) on the 1850 census, at least in reference to my > Cooley's stands for Indiana. I have a couple of small biographical exerpts > that mention the family being in Indiana, and no mention of Iowa. > > I am going to look around on my print out pages of the 1850 Census for the > family, possibly there are people from Iowa (spelled out) as opposed to the > Ia also. > > Thanks! > > Pat in WA state > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free, if we can believe grisoft!. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/17/02

Referring to whether IA is Iowa or Indiana, I am fairly certain being told that at one time Indiana did in fact use IA for abbreviation instead of IN. This may explain the confusion of whether your family is in Indiana or Iowa. Hope this helps. Beverly

Does anyone have or know if there is an index for the 1930 Jasper Co census? I am looking for Opal McANDREW, and her daughters Ethel and Dixie. They could possibly be living with relatives as all of the McAndrew men came to Michigan for work in 1929 and are listed in the 1930 city directory. Dixie and Opal do show in the 1932 directory, but my grandmothers obituary from 1942 states that she came to MI from Joplin in 1931. Any help is appreciated. Michelle _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

----- Original Message ----- From: <Patcoolnet@aol.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 19 July, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] What state does Ia signify in the 1850 census? I have found IA used extensively as an abreviation for Indiana in the 1850 census including on census taken within the state of Indiana. Perhaps both Indana and Iowa should be checked for your family but I would check Indiana first. Warren Lawrence

I was in Carthage as recently as April. A fellow researcher and distant cousin went with me, and believe me she knows her way around. First stop was the Library I believe it was. In the basement was the Genealogy Department. She asked for copies of any cards in their files on certain names. This was to confirm they indeed were buried in the Webb City Cemetery. The map they gave us wasn't that great. Next we found City Hall. Very small building, and I thought it was a bank. Actually had a drive up window. Anyway she explained what we wished and they had better records. And better directions for finding the graves. But there was a family member that died in 1948 that was not listed on the records at the Library. When in City Hall I forgot to ask about that. But I bet they would have had something. During our walking of the cemetery, sure enough in the next plot was the husband and wife I mentioned above. So be better organized than I am, makes notes and don't overlook one bit of info. Good luck. Pat B. Nyssa, Oregon ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hall" <jhall@voyager.net> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [MOJASPER] George L. Wilson > Thanks Rachel it does. > The question arose when I spoke to a gentleman in the old records center for > the dept. of health located in Carthage, Mo. He couldn't find Amanda or > George in the Webb City cemetery book and as I said before he only found > George listed in the Hedge-Lewis Mortuary to 1940 book. I just wanted to > make sure they were in Webb City cemetery. > Thanks again, > Roberta > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <RachelC918@aol.com> > To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [MOJASPER] George L. Wilson > > > > In a message dated 7/15/02 1:19:23 PM Central Daylight Time, > > jhall@voyager.net writes: > > > > > > > Rachel, > > > > > > I don't mean to bother you but if you don't mind I have a question about > > > Amanda Wilson. > > > > > > I spoke to a gentleman at the old records center in Carthage Mo. this > > > morning and he was unable to locate anything on Amanda. > > > > > > A question came up as to how I knew she was buried with her husband > George. > > > He was able to locate George in the Hedge-Lewis mortuary book but when > he > > > looked at the Webb City cemetery listings he found no George or Amanda. > > > The Hedge-Lewis book shows he is buried in Webb City cemetery. Can you > tell > > > me what information you found to show Amanda on George's headstone and > if > > > they are positively buried in Webb City Cemetery and not let's say Mt. > Hope > > > or one of the other cemeteries in Webb City. > > > > > > > > > > I am sorry but I have no other information on Amanda and George Wilson. > The > > information I sent you came from the Webb City Cemetery book. The book > shows > > these records were obtained from three sources "reading of the stones, use > of > > old ledgers, and cards in the city office." > > > > The book lists Amanda E (ssw--same stone with) George L Wilson. > > > > Hope this helps. > > Rachel > > > > > > >

Pat - I would try both states. I have relatives who actually moved from Montgomery Co., IN to Polk Co., IA during that time as MANY families did. If you have access to ancestry's census images try a search of both counties for soundex matches on the family's father for any of the years possible. There is also a good site to find early IN marriages but misspellings are common there as well. Good luck. (Gee, I wish I was in WA instead of here in AR...) Jan > -----Original Message----- > From: Patcoolnet@aol.com [mailto:Patcoolnet@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 2:06 PM > To: MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MOJASPER] What state does Ia signify in the 1850 census? > > > Hi everyone, > > My 2 great grandfather and his siblings are listed in the 1850 Jasper Co. > census as having been born in Ia. I have always assumed this meant > Indiana--a friend disagrees and says it means Iowa as in todays IA > designation. They were born in Montgomery Co--I found out there > is also one > in Iowa, though it was formed in the 1850's. I have a couple of > biographical > snippets about their father that say he was in Indiana after his > marriage, no > mention of Iowa. Ideas anyone? > > Parents: Samuel Means and Margaret RUSK COOL(L)EY, both of whom > died in the > mid 1840's. > > Children: > > Julia Ann born 20 Feb 1826 > Mary Means born 18 Nov 1927 > Margaret born Nov 1829 (died as an infant) > Thomas Jefferson born 23 Oct 1831 (my direct line) > William Carl born 31 Jan 1836 > Sarah E. born 1838 > Nancy Jane born 1840 > John W. born 1842 > Paradine Amanda born 4 May 1845 > > Any ideas or help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Pat in WA State > >

Pat, Am not sure about the IA in the 1850 census but I am sure that Margaret RUSK was born in Indiana. I have a sheet copiled by Shirley COOLEY from Wichita which shows that Margaret's parents (David and Margaret) died in Waynetown, Montgomery, Indiana. Also, David's will was probated in Crawfordville, Montgomery County, Indiana. Also, my G. Grandfather, Jonathan RUSK was a brother of your Margaret, and I know that he moved to MO about 1838. I think that Margaret and Samuel COOLEY followed soon thereafter if they didn't come with Johnathan. I think we all have to remember that the census was taken by workers who probably had no more education than the norm and one person could hyphonate Indiana as IA and another could hyponate it as IN. In that same 1850 census for Jasper County, I found my G Grandmother's husband, Levi Dickerson (before she married my G Grandfather Jonathan) listed twice, once along with Julina at the household of her mother and again by himself in another household with his two sons from another marriage. In addition, I found the two sons listed along with Levi in Levi's household and also in the household of their guardian - so beware - this showed me that accuracy wasn't of much concern. John Sandy

my grandmother and great grandfather was both from IA which stands for IOWA.

In a message dated 7/19/02 2:07:11 PM Central Daylight Time, Patcoolnet@aol.com writes: > My 2 great grandfather and his siblings are listed in the 1850 Jasper Co. > census as having been born in Ia. I have always assumed this meant > Indiana--a friend disagrees and says it means Iowa as in todays IA > designation. They were born in Montgomery Co--I found out there is also > one > in Iowa, though it was formed in the 1850's. I have a couple of > biographical > snippets about their father that say he was in Indiana after his marriage, > no > mention of Iowa. Ideas anyone? > I found some of my ancestors in the 1850 census listed as Ia and it was Indiana. Of course IA now is Iowa. Rachel

It is Iowa. There are census records for Iowa during this time frame. Andrea ----- Original Message ----- From: <Patcoolnet@aol.com> To: <MOJASPER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [MOJASPER] What state does Ia signify in the 1850 census? > Hi everyone, > > My 2 great grandfather and his siblings are listed in the 1850 Jasper Co. > census as having been born in Ia. I have always assumed this meant > Indiana--a friend disagrees and says it means Iowa as in todays IA > designation. They were born in Montgomery Co--I found out there is also one > in Iowa, though it was formed in the 1850's. I have a couple of biographical > snippets about their father that say he was in Indiana after his marriage, no > mention of Iowa. Ideas anyone? > > Parents: Samuel Means and Margaret RUSK COOL(L)EY, both of whom died in the > mid 1840's. > > Children: > > Julia Ann born 20 Feb 1826 > Mary Means born 18 Nov 1927 > Margaret born Nov 1829 (died as an infant) > Thomas Jefferson born 23 Oct 1831 (my direct line) > William Carl born 31 Jan 1836 > Sarah E. born 1838 > Nancy Jane born 1840 > John W. born 1842 > Paradine Amanda born 4 May 1845 > > Any ideas or help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Pat in WA State > >

Hi everyone, My 2 great grandfather and his siblings are listed in the 1850 Jasper Co. census as having been born in Ia. I have always assumed this meant Indiana--a friend disagrees and says it means Iowa as in todays IA designation. They were born in Montgomery Co--I found out there is also one in Iowa, though it was formed in the 1850's. I have a couple of biographical snippets about their father that say he was in Indiana after his marriage, no mention of Iowa. Ideas anyone? Parents: Samuel Means and Margaret RUSK COOL(L)EY, both of whom died in the mid 1840's. Children: Julia Ann born 20 Feb 1826 Mary Means born 18 Nov 1927 Margaret born Nov 1829 (died as an infant) Thomas Jefferson born 23 Oct 1831 (my direct line) William Carl born 31 Jan 1836 Sarah E. born 1838 Nancy Jane born 1840 John W. born 1842 Paradine Amanda born 4 May 1845 Any ideas or help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Pat in WA State

IA stands for the state I live, IOWA. One thing that some people might not know about. Iowa has a 1925 census that lists the names of parents, and if they are still living. If you had family or ancestors in Iowa in 1925, and know the county, then check out the 1925 census. It is VERY HARD to read. It's purple with white writing on the viewers, but very good to check for people living in Iowa during the 1925 Iowa census. ciao, Ron

I vote for Indiana, since back then "IA" could mean Indiana, and Indiana was more densely settled than Iowa. Still, you might want to check both Montgomery counties and see what you find. On Fri, 19 Jul 2002 Patcoolnet@aol.com wrote: > Hi everyone, > > My 2 great grandfather and his siblings are listed in the 1850 Jasper Co. > census as having been born in Ia. I have always assumed this meant > Indiana--a friend disagrees and says it means Iowa as in todays IA > designation. They were born in Montgomery Co--I found out there is also one > in Iowa, though it was formed in the 1850's. I have a couple of biographical > snippets about their father that say he was in Indiana after his marriage, no > mention of Iowa. Ideas anyone? > > Parents: Samuel Means and Margaret RUSK COOL(L)EY, both of whom died in the > mid 1840's. > > Children: > > Julia Ann born 20 Feb 1826 > Mary Means born 18 Nov 1927 > Margaret born Nov 1829 (died as an infant) > Thomas Jefferson born 23 Oct 1831 (my direct line) > William Carl born 31 Jan 1836 > Sarah E. born 1838 > Nancy Jane born 1840 > John W. born 1842 > Paradine Amanda born 4 May 1845 > > Any ideas or help would be much appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Pat in WA State >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BRADSHAW, WILLIAMSON, HILTON, GOODNER, JONES, BURKE, KROCHMALNY, VAN VALKENBURGH, NARR, BOONE, YOUNG Classification: Obituary Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2038 Message Board Post: JoAnn Bradshaw After many years of battling cancer, JoAnn Bradshaw died on July 14, 2002, at her home in Rosarito, Mexico. She was 64 years old. She was born on Sept. 11, 1937, in Carthage, Mo. She loved classical, music, opera and books. An accomplished artist, she painted and sold reproductions of the masters, portraits, animals and landscapes. While living in Mexico for the past several years, she fell in love with the people, their culture and the land. A courageous, loving person, she valued her family, insisted on enjoying each moment and experienced life with a sense of humor. She was preceded in death by her parents, Lorine Elinor Hilton and Loima Williamson; her husband, Frank Goodner; and an infant daughter, Bessie Lorine. She is survived by her longtime partner, Leo Bradshaw; three daughters, Connie Jones and her husband Buzz, Bonnie Goodner and JoAnn Goodner Burke; three grandchildren, Rebecca Krochmalny, Sarah Goodner Van Valkenburgh and John Adam Van Valkenburgh; two brothers, John Young Sr. and Michael Williamson; and a sister, Leona Narr and her husband Walt. She is further survived by a niece, Anita Boone and her husband Jeff; and four nephews Paul Narr and his wife Michelle, Walter Narr III and his wife Cathy, John Young Jr. and his wife Katie and Jim Young and his wife Heather. She was loved dearly by family and friends. A private service is pending. Remembrances may be made to the UC Davis Cancer Center, 4501 X St., Room 3033, Sacramento, CA 95817. (Obituary from the "The Davis Enterprise," Friday, July 19, 2002, (Yolo County). Submitted with the permission of the "The Davis Enterprise," 315 G Street, Davis, CA 95616, <http://www.davisenterprise.com/>. Please note: I am not related to the family listed above, and I do not have any further information on this family.)