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Hello, I am searching for any info a company in Joplin, address: 1109 Byers Ave. called Jones Brothers Construction. Albert N Jones, President.General Contractors, A business card was found in my grandfathers old trunk . He had several uncles, perhaps a minister, who is buried in Joplin. His dad was Arthur "ED" Jones, brothers were, Charles, Henry Dee, Theron Burr, J.L. (James?) Thanks for any replies. Debbie

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Kathy, Thank you so much. Yes, I was able to open it this time. It really shows the box seats, and indeed looks to me as if they aren't covered by the roof. I even like the newspaper clippings. I got a good laugh with Knell_Fairground3_copy.jpg I was watching as it opened and in it's large size before it fully loaded, I thought the roof was really torn up. I was thinking it must have been some wind. Then the picture was there and I could see the paper was in pieces. I do like the view from the stadium. Every new angle helps. I also did a search of the Postcards at Joplin Public Library and found the Trotting Park was also known as the Barbee Park Race Track. http://tinyurl.com/8yz44 Click on Description Barbee Park Racetrack (Joplin, Mo.); Barbee, Gilbert; Racetracks (Horseracing)--Missouri--Joplin; Today's Joplinites can scarcely imagine the thrilling events that once took place in southwest Joplin from 1872 until 1909. The excitement began in 1872 with the construction of a half-mile racing track. By 1876, the Jockey Club and Fair Association had expanded the grounds, which stretched from 17th to 20th Streets between Murphy Avenue and Maiden Lane. In 1879, the sprawling 40-acre site, known as the Joplin Exposition, boasted the racing track, stables, stalls and pens for the animals, plus shelters for agricultural implements and carriages, all of which, according to the 1883 History of Jasper County, Missouri, "experienced horsemen pronounce one of the best in the United States." The park also featured a grandstand and a 3000-seat amphitheatre. One of the most spectacular buildings was an octagonal-shaped "art and floral hall," which was two stories high, topped with an observatory "commanding a most excellent view of Joplin and the surrounding country." In addition to ! the horse racing, the Exposition track also presented chariot races, military tournaments, political rallies, and fire department competitions. After the Exposition wound down in the late 1890s, Gilbert Barbee purchased the site, renamed it Barbee Park, and kept the racetrack going for several more years. The legendary "Gib" Barbee, who served as the area's Democratic political boss, owned the Joplin Globe newspaper and the infamous House of Lords bar. Barbee hit some hard times in April 1909, when a fire destroyed the grandstand. Fire fighters managed to save the stables and other buildings, but the grandstand was a total loss at $6,500. In 1927, Barbee's son O.H. cleared and leveled the acreage for residential development. He built the Barbee Court addition right on the old race course, preserving the graceful oval of elms trees that once surrounded it. The outline of the racetrack can be traced by looping around from 17th to 19th Streets from Maiden Lane to the alley between Porter and Harlem Avenues. The stone and brick bungalow-type homes in Barbee Court all faced on Harlem, the homestretch of the former racetrack. Sources: Gibbons, Charles. Angling in the Archives. Joplin: H. Lang Rogers, 1996. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rslewis/bios/1883/1883Hist.htm http://tinyurl.com/dxmam http://joplinpubliclibrary.org/digitized/postcards.html Here are some maps that may be of interest, it's a shame the Jasper Co. Twp. map can't be read. The Carthage fairgrounds were in Marion Township. Jasper County Township Map http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~judysstuff/jasper/jasatlas05.gif Map of City of Carthage http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~judysstuff/jasper/jasatlas43.gif Map of Joplin http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~judysstuff/jasper/jasatlas45.gif Jasper County Research Records Center http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~judysstuff/jasper/jasatlas03.gif http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~judysstuff/jasper/jasatlas.htm I've spent a good amount of time today trying to google more race track info. So far I haven't had much luck. I've been surprised that I can't seem to find anything on the Miami, OK grounds where they have their rodeos. It's been a long time since I was there. I really don't remember it very well. I'm wondering how many race tracks were in the tri-state area? Jasper, Newton Co. MO, Cherokee Co. KS and Ottawa Co. OK. The counties around them would also be of interest. I can't help but wonder about who constructed the grandstands? Thank you again for sharing. Orlena

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2909.1.1 Message Board Post: Orlena, Thank you so much for the information. I wasn't sure that I would get a response to my query. Katherine

Would you know if the trotting park in Joplin would be the same park where they raced greyhounds around 1933? Sue -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MOJASPER] Re: Old Grandstand at Jasper County Fairgrounds in Carthage, Missouri This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have posted the 1926 Saddle Stakes picture in the jpeg format. Hopefully it will open. I have also added a few other pictures of the fairgrounds. A couple are from newspaper clippings, so the quality is not too good. Also one of the Trotting Park in Joplin.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/1MB.2ACI/2910 Message Board Post: Looking for a death notice, cemetery listing or obit for a Leven Oscar GREGORY b 1896 who is thought to have died in or near Joplin circa 1935. He was a resident of Oklahoma at the time of death. Thanks in advance for your response. [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have posted the 1926 Saddle Stakes picture in the jpeg format. Hopefully it will open. I have also added a few other pictures of the fairgrounds. A couple are from newspaper clippings, so the quality is not too good. Also one of the Trotting Park in Joplin.

This appears to be the area you are talking about. http://www.topozone.com/map.asp?lat=37.19431&lon=-94.32746&datum=NAD27&s=50&size=l I was not aware of this fairgrounds. It is apparently different than Knells Park, which is reportedly on the south side of Spring River. Mike On 27 Dec 2005, [email protected] wrote: > >Your Carthage Fairgrounds photo is the Knell Fairgrounds located northwest of Carthage >near the quarry. It looks like the Buck Special photo was taken there too. I have >attached a couple of photos showing the fairgrounds. The young men standing on the car >may have been there to watch the "Buck Special" run! I also have an earlier postcard of >the fairgrounds that shows the grandstands without the dormers.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2909.1 Message Board Post: Katherine, I believe there ia a government agency that has records for each or some States. Some places have copies of their publications. You may find what you want at the Webb City Genealogical Society. Once they find it in their book, they may be able to find or have newspaper articles pertaining to the accident and deaths. I don't know how the book is set up. http://www.rootsweb.com/~mojasper/genie.html Webb City Library 101 S. Liberty St. Webb City, MO 64870 Phone: (417)673-4326 Fax: (417)673-5703 Library Email: [email protected] Genealogy Email: [email protected] with Genealogy in the subject line The Genealogical Society will do research limited at their library for a fee of $5.00 plus the cost of copies and postage. "Mine Accidents and Deaths in the Southwestern Area of Jasper County Missouri 1907-1923", in 3 volumes. Contact the Genealogical Society for more information. Phone: (417)673-0398 Genealogy Room Hours: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday 10:00am - 8:00pm Wednesday and Friday 10:00am - 5:00pm Saturday 10:00am - 4:00pm Sunday Closed http://webbcitylibrary.com/genealogy.html Someone may also already have the books, and hopefully may answer on the Message Board or Mailing List. Orlena

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McKinney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2909 Message Board Post: Harley McKinney and two other miners died in a mine collapse at Prosperity, Missouri on or about 10 Nov 1917. Would there be a newspaper or other record of this event in Jasper County? If so, can anyone suggest a person there who could search for it for me? Thank you, Katherine Seiders

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Kathy, Looking at the map you so kindly included, it would seem to be a miracle for it not to have flooded. 1926_Saddle_Stake_sm.tif (1045 KB) attachment, I've not been able to open. I keep getting: Imaging An internal error has occurred. Yes, I also believe the 1905 postcard is the earlier stand without the dormers. It has 12 front support posts. They apparently later built an uncovered section, then the larger 13 support posts stand with the dormers and connected them all. I've seen a couple of postcards that seem to indicate they may have removed the roof and roof supports and used the older stand that way for awhile. Anyway, the area seemed larger than the uncovered area between the two stands would have been, if the older stand had been completely removed. Usually by clicking on the enlargement feature in the bottom right corner, I can enlarge the attachment photo. This time it doesn't appear to be working. We do get a good view of the 1905 crowd. Note the lady above the 7, I'd sure hate to see the damage done to her skirt and petticoats. They'd have to be filthy also. Lady above the 90 seems to be just a little shorter length in white or very light color. Some of the other ladies seem more practical, if not as fashionable. The dormered stand in the Joplin Library postcard, doesn't show it very well, but it seems to have some box seats in front between the staircases into the stands behind the fence next to the track. The roof doesn't look like it extends over enough to more than possibly just cover it. http://tinyurl.com/ahx44 In the Buck Special racing picture Robert attached, people seem to be both in that area and behind a different fence next to the track. In your 1905 it also seems to have people between the stand and the fence. Are there any postcards of the Joplin Race track? I wonder if the same builder built many of the same type stands in the area? I don't know how long the Miami, OK racetrack has been there. Thank you so much for sharing your postcards and information. I do really appreciate the old postcards printed in Germany. Orlena

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Sidenstricker Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: After studying the early and late photos, I believe that the 1905 shows the early grandstand and the later postcards/pictures show this same grandstand with an addition built to the south.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Here is the earlier postcard dated 1905. Note the mention of the flood damage. The fairgrounds were built next to the river. The grandstand appears to be quite different in the later photos. I wonder if the grandstands may have been rebuilt at one time due to flooding or just needed updating?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.2.1 Message Board Post: Roberta, You probably saw Orlena's posting above which address this but yes, the racetrack at Carthage was used for horse racing. In fact, that was probably its primary purpose. I know that cars raced on that racetrack on August 8, 1930 and may have raced there on other dates as well. http://winfield.50megs.com/CarthageRaces.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1.1 Message Board Post: Kathy, Would you please attach the earlier postcard of the fairgrounds that shows the grandstands without the dormers? I'm thinking it would have been unusual for them to have added the dormers after the roof was finished at a later date. Is it possible the earlier card is showing the unadorned possibly earlier built stand? Hopefully, this works. It's a link to the largest size photo of the postcard on the Joplin Public Library site. Note the stockade fencing and use of trees instead of milled lumber. I used TinyURL!™ to make the really long URL tiny to fit on this site. Just in case it didn't work, I also attached it. http://tinyurl.com/ Thank you, By the way, mailing list members, the people posting here do NOT get your questions and answers placed on the mailing list. There should be a link with this that you click on, and it will bring you here, so that you can see the query, attachments and answer from here. Orlena ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This is the description that goes with the postcard. Home: Carthage Picture Booklet http://tinyurl.com/ahx44 Title: Jasper County Fair Grounds at Carthage Creator: A. G. Newell and Son, Carthage, Missouri Creation Date: 1906 Access File Type: JPEG Master File Type: TIFF (image/tiff) Subject: Jasper County Fair Grounds (Mo.);Carthage (Mo.)' Description: The county fairgrounds were established in 1902 on land owned by Edward Knell west of the city. In addition to providing agricultural, livestock, and homemaking exhibits and competitions, the fair also held horse races on this track. The grandstand shown in this photo was located north of where the Econo Lodge Motel currently stands at the highway interchange on the west side of Carthage. MDI Identifier: jplcar15 Access URL: car15 Source: From the collection of the Joplin Public Library Relation: Carthage, Missouri: The Most Beautiful City in the West Current Date: 2005-04-26 Contributor: Albertype Co., Brooklyn, N.Y.; Carolyn Trout, Joplin Public Library. Publisher: Joplin Public Library Hosted By the University of Missouri Digital Library # http://www.joplinpubliclibrary.org/ http://digital.library.umsystem.edu/ #

While we're on the subject of horses and race tracks, my grandfather's brother was known as Jockey Jones. Are there any race programs still around where I could check the names of the jockeys? I don't know if he was truly a jockey, or if it was some sort of childhood nickname.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Wilson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.2 Message Board Post: Robert, Can you tell me if this track in Carthage was used as a horse track. I have been looking for information on my Great Great grandfather. I know he was a blacksmith and according to the Carterville and Webb City 1901 Business Directioy he was the propritor of the " Jockey Club Shoeing Shop". I even have the address of the business. I could never find any reference to horses or why his business would be names as such. Hoping the photo of the fairgrounds might be a clue as to where to look next.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908.1 Message Board Post: Your Carthage Fairgrounds photo is the Knell Fairgrounds located northwest of Carthage near the quarry. It looks like the Buck Special photo was taken there too. I have attached a couple of photos showing the fairgrounds. The young men standing on the car may have been there to watch the "Buck Special" run! I also have an earlier postcard of the fairgrounds that shows the grandstands without the dormers.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2908 Message Board Post: A racetrack and grandstand were built at the Jasper County Fairgrounds in Carthate, Missouri c1902 but both were gone before World War II rolled around. I have a photo of a racing car named the "Buck Special" that was taken in front of a grandstand that may have been the one at Carthage. That photo was given to me by a man who resided at Miami, Oklahoma, just 46 miles from Carthage. For comparisom, I also have a photo that is known to be of the grandstand and racetrack at Carthage. I will attach both photos here. Can anyone tell me if both of these photos were taken at Carthage? If so, do you know when the photo of the "Buck Special" was taken?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Smith, Kirk Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/1MB.2ACI/2907 Message Board Post: He was born in Flat, MO 12/13 March 1908 and died 13 Sep 1984 at Joplin, Jasper Co MO, He is buried in Forest Park Cemetery. His wife Daisy Belle Kirk SMITH was born in Duenweg, Jasper Co MO 25 May 1904/ 1905 and she also died in Joplin MO 14 Dec 1988. Some assistance with either one of these obituaries would be very nice and if you are related to either person, I would like to exchange information with you. I am a SMITH descendant and we are working on a family history for them. So far, so good but we have a few folks we still need information about! THANK YOU! [email protected]