The below note was posted. Where do I find an Animap. Seems I saw it once, but didn't understand it worked like this and didn't investigate it. Thanks for all the researchers who posted information regarding the organization of the counties. I'm sure this helps many. ********* then go to a program like ANIMAP and put a red x on the area... then go back through the decades to see where the x ends up in the timeframe you are seeking.. I have done this many times.

Thank you Karen > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 7:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Arcadia, Ironton, Graniteville and Middlebrook. > > > Just a few comments; > > In 1800, France reacquired Louisiana from Spain, and in 1803, > Napoleon sold it to the United States as the Louisiana Purchase, > the bicentennial is being celebrated this year. > American officials took over in 1804 and five counties were > organized before Missouri became a state: Cape Girardeau, New > Madrid, St. Charles, St. Louis, and Ste. Genevieve. > Washington County, Missouri was organized August 21, 1813 from > Ste. Genevieve County. > Wayne and Madison Counties, Missouri were formed in 1818 from > Cape Girardeau and St. Genevieve Counties. > The other counties contributing to Iron County were also formed > ultimately from either Cape Girardeau or Ste. Genevieve. > In 1817 the Territory of Missouri applied for Statehood which was > granted in 1821. > Iron County was established in 1857 by a special act of the > Missouri Legislature in response to a petition from the citizens > of the county. > Ironton was the first town to be incorporated (1859). > > Which county would Arcadia, Ironton, Granitville and Middlebrook > have been in, in 1850? > > Arcadia - (post office established in 1871) > Ironton - (post office established in 1858) > Graniteville - (no post office, located between Belleview and Pilot Knob) > Middlebrook - (post office established in 1858) > > In 1850 they would have all been unincorporated areas of > Washington County. > > So, for the sake of research: > Before 1813 look for records in Ste Genevieve County > 1814-1857 look in Washington County > 1857 - present they would all be in Iron County. > > Hope this helps. > > Karen Carty > St Louis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margie Campbell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:36 PM > Subject: RE: [MOIRON] Arcadia, Ironton, Graniteville and Middlebrook. > > > > Iron county was formed in 1857 from Good Morning, > > According to the Handy Book for Genealogists Iron Co., was > formed in 1857 > > from Dent, Madison, Reynolds, St. Francis, Washington, and > Wayne counties. > > Isn't that wild...... <g> > > >

Just a few comments; In 1800, France reacquired Louisiana from Spain, and in 1803, Napoleon sold it to the United States as the Louisiana Purchase, the bicentennial is being celebrated this year. American officials took over in 1804 and five counties were organized before Missouri became a state: Cape Girardeau, New Madrid, St. Charles, St. Louis, and Ste. Genevieve. Washington County, Missouri was organized August 21, 1813 from Ste. Genevieve County. Wayne and Madison Counties, Missouri were formed in 1818 from Cape Girardeau and St. Genevieve Counties. The other counties contributing to Iron County were also formed ultimately from either Cape Girardeau or Ste. Genevieve. In 1817 the Territory of Missouri applied for Statehood which was granted in 1821. Iron County was established in 1857 by a special act of the Missouri Legislature in response to a petition from the citizens of the county. Ironton was the first town to be incorporated (1859). Which county would Arcadia, Ironton, Granitville and Middlebrook have been in, in 1850? Arcadia - (post office established in 1871) Ironton - (post office established in 1858) Graniteville - (no post office, located between Belleview and Pilot Knob) Middlebrook - (post office established in 1858) In 1850 they would have all been unincorporated areas of Washington County. So, for the sake of research: Before 1813 look for records in Ste Genevieve County 1814-1857 look in Washington County 1857 - present they would all be in Iron County. Hope this helps. Karen Carty St Louis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Campbell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: RE: [MOIRON] Arcadia, Ironton, Graniteville and Middlebrook. > Iron county was formed in 1857 from Good Morning, > According to the Handy Book for Genealogists Iron Co., was formed in 1857 > from Dent, Madison, Reynolds, St. Francis, Washington, and Wayne counties. > Isn't that wild...... <g> >

Thanks to all for the responses. It's all very interesting and helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie Campbell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [MOIRON] Arcadia, Ironton, Graniteville and Middlebrook. > Iron county was formed in 1857 from Good Morning, > According to the Handy Book for Genealogists Iron Co., was formed in 1857 > from Dent, Madison, Reynolds, St. Francis, Washington, and Wayne counties. > Isn't that wild...... <g> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003

thanks for posting these bits of family information. My husband is descended from AUBUCHON line, so find this very interesting reading. Carol T. Pocahontas, Ark. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:18 PM Subject: [MOIRON] Emmet McCormick - Lucy Aubuchon Marriage > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: AUBUCHON, McCORMICK > Classification: Marriage > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zMB.2ACI/899 > > Message Board Post: > > Iron County Register Newspaper, Ironton, Missouri, September 28, 1882, Page 5. > "Wedding Bells--On the 12th inst. Dr. Emmet C. McCormick and Miss. Lucy Aubuchon were married at the residence of the bride's father, at French Village, in St. Francois county." > > I am not related to this family - I am only posting newspaper articles. > > > > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > Margie Campbell > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

If Margaret did not claim to be indian, she would be listed as white. I have seen this many times. Indians were not allowed to own land, etc.. so many, if not most did not claim their heritage. Marge > -----Original Message----- > From: Janet [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 8:04 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MOIRON] HARBISON > > > Good news........ > > I have found your Margaret HARBISON in the 1870 census living at home with > her parents...... So far I havn't found her father Barton in the 1860 > Census, however I have found her father and his sibilings and his > parents in > the 1850 St Francois County Missouri Census......... At least > you now know > that the HARBISON's were first in St Francois County and then Iron > County...... Perhaps you can find John & Barton by searching the > hard way, > line by line and page by page........... This should keep you buzy for > awhile by following thru on all these families........ > > You mentioned on your website that Margaret was a full blooded > Blackfoot......... In my opinion I don't think so....... All the records > indicate the family was White and in the earlier days the Indians usually > were on a different census........ > > So far there isn't any DOUGLAS's in the Census records......... > > In the 1910 Census Gilbert SCHNELL is listed as the head of household, > therefore Margaret is *his* sister-in-law......... > > Hope this helps, > Janet > > 1870 Missouri Federal Census - M593-780 > HARBISON BETSEY 72 F W KY IRON > IRONTON P O 780 520 > Page: 520-A > >>>>NOTE: Probably a widow and most likely the mother of William and > Jefferson....... > > >>>>NOTE: How the surname of HARBISON is spelled...... This was > the census > takers doing...... > HARRISON BARTON 35 M W KY IRON > IRONTON P O 780 520 > >>>>NOTE: Barton is the father of a 6 year old Maggie........ > > HARRISON JEFFERSON 32 M W KY IRON > IRONTON P O 780 519 > > HARRISON WILLIAM 39 M W KY IRON > IRONTON P O 780 520 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > 1860 Missouri Federal Census > HARBISON, ELIZABETH > State: MO Year: 1860 > County: Iron County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > Township: Kaolin Township. Page: 692 > Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index > >>>>NOTE: Daughter of John J HARBISON > > HARBISON, JOHN J. > State: MO - Year: 1860 > County: Iron County - Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > Township: Kaolin Township. - Page: 691 > Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index > > HARBISON, WILLIAM > State: MO - Year: 1860 > County: Iron County - Record Type: Federal Population Schedule > Township: Kaolin Township. - Page: 694 > Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index > ----------------------------------------- > > 1850 St Francis County Missouri > Harbison, John > State: Missouri - Year: 1850 > County: St. Francis - Roll: M432_413 > Township: Being 80Th Dist - Page: 179 > >>>>NOTE: Here's Margaret's Grandparents and her father, etc......... > ----------------------------------------- > > Kentucky > Barren County > Bybee Harbison, Betsey Matthew > Spouse: Bybee, Betsey > Harbison, Matthew Marriage Date: 06 Jan 1818 > > Kentucky > Barren County > Bybee Harbison, Betsy John > Spouse: Bybee, Betsy > Harbison, John Marriage Date: 17 Feb 1818 > >>>>>NOTE: This is interesting....... It appears that Betsey Married > Matthew in January and then she married John in February..... Perhaps > Matthew died and most likely John and Matthew are brothers......... > > Missouri > HARBISON, JOHN J. > Spouse: DAY, HARRIET A. Marriage Date: 5 Dec 1858 > County: Iron State: MO > > Missouri > HARBISON, WILLIAM K. > Spouse: GREEN, ELIZABETH Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1858 > County: Iron State: MO > > NOTE: St Francois County is not listed in this marriage index........... > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "saywho" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas > > > | Yes, that is the census I found this morning which provided a lot of > | information. However, I did not see that sister-in-law in the > household. > I > | just stopped with the children! I went back and looked at it again and, > | viola, there it was. Boy, more information to sort out now. > I'm not sure > | that's Gennie's sister Margaret (who married a Clayton...see > website just > | got photos and new census lookup posted for her...her descendant is my > newly > | found cuz.). Maybe it is Gilbert's sister-in-law? But that > wouldn't make > | sense. Maybe Margaret was married twice? The CA is a good > clue. I sure > | would like to find an earlier census of the family. > | > | Thanks again. > | > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Janet" <[email protected]> > | To: <[email protected]> > | Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:52 PM > | Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas > | > | > | > Hello......... > | > > | > Well, well....... finally I'm getting somewhere...... I found your > Gennie > | > DOUGLAS, Gennie's husband Gilbert SCHNELL and their children > in the 1910 > | > Census...... I'm assuming that you have access to the US Federal > | > Census........ You shouldn't have any problems locating this family > from > | > the info listed below....... > | > > | > You're in for a suprise with just this one census........ William and > | > Margaret's daughter Margaret, born CA 1890 is also living in > this house > | and > | > has a different married name then what you have....... > | > > | > Janet > | > > | > Gilbert L. Schnell found in: > | > Census Microfilm Records: Missouri, 1910 > | > Age: 32 > | > Gender: M > | > Race: W > | > Birthplace: IL > | > State: Missouri > | > County: ST LOUIS > | > Locale: 17-WD ST LOUIS > | > Series: T624 > | > Roll: 819 > | > Part: 2 > | > Page: 148A > | > E.D.: 271 > | > Sheet: 5-A > | > Lines: 2 thru 9 > | > Printed Page No.: 148-A > | > >>>>NOTE: Margaret, Gennie's sister, is living here with the > last name > of > | > BELCHER (sp?) and with her child Mable BELCHER, 9/12 months old....... > | The > | > census does say that Margaret is married, however there is not any > husband > | > listed....... > | > > | > ----- Original Message ----- > | > From: "saywho" <[email protected]> > | > To: <[email protected]> > | > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:47 PM > | > Subject: [MOIRON] Douglas > | > > | > > | > | Here's my new link. I'm working on the pages, they look a little > | better. > | > I > | > | deleted the old page because I was organizing them in a > different way. > | > | > | > | http://treadways.homestead.com/index.html > | > | > | > | Going to work on uploading photos shortly. > | > | > | > | My newly found cousin submitted some information since my last > posting. > | > So > | > | there is new information uploaded and also a better order of the > | children. > | > | > | > | She also told me that her records indicate that Gennie and Clifford > were > | > | born out of wedlock by Margaret. Maybe folks who are > reporting to me > | are > | > | getting their information mixed up as some of them are > reporting from > | > | memory. > | > | > | > | None of this information is verified, except that I found > Lucille and > | > | Gilbert's marriage certificate, which shows they both were from > | Caledonia, > | > | and also Jessie Mae's birth certificate. > | > | > | > | Thanks so much for everyone who has helped me. It never ceases to > amaze > | > me > | > | how folks help others just because they enjoy it. I've > been trying to > | > | volunteer to look-up in my own city, but haven't found many needy > people > | > as > | > | of yet. I just want to complete the circle. If you've > helped me, may > | it > | > | come back to you full circle! > | > | > | > | > | > > | > > | > > | > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > | > HERMES Surname List coordinator > | > WENSTROM Surname List coordinator > | > > | > ============================== > | > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > | go to: > | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > | > > | > | > | ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > | Margie Campbell > | [email protected] > | > | ============================== > | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > | > > > > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > HERMES Surname List coordinator > WENSTROM Surname List coordinator > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Iron county was formed in 1857 from Good Morning, According to the Handy Book for Genealogists Iron Co., was formed in 1857 from Dent, Madison, Reynolds, St. Francis, Washington, and Wayne counties. Isn't that wild...... <g> Perhaps this will help... DENT formed in 1851 from CRAWFORD & SHANNON counties. MADISON formed in 1818 from CAPE GIRARDEAU & STE. GENEVIEVE counties. REYNOLDS formed in 1845 from SHANNON COUNTY ST. FRANCOIS formed in 1821 from JEFFERSON, STE. GENEVIEVE & WASHINGTON counties. WASHINGTON formed in 1813 from STE. GENEVIEVE county SHANNON formed in 1841 from RIPLEY & WASHINGTON counties JEFFERSON formed in 1818 from STE. GENEVIEVE & ST. LOUIS counties (assume St. Louis county). CRAWFORD formed in 1829 from GASCONADE county GASCONADE formed in 1820 from FRANKLIN county FRANKLIN formed in 1818 from ST. LOUIS (again, assuming county). Also, the boundries for Franklin count were not confirmed until about 1845. WAYNE formed in 1818 from CAPE GIRARDEAU county RIPLEY formed in 1833 from WAYNE county ST. LOUIS county formed in 1812, and is an original district. ST. LOUIS CITY formed in 1764, and is not included in a county (correct me if I am wrong on this folks who know... from what Handy shows.. may be that the city records are handled by the county (SL County)?). Now you know WHY you need to know your geography/history to do genealogy... >Which county would Arcadia, Ironton, Granitville and Middlebrook > have been in, in 1850? Where certian towns were originally located, I am not sure, but the HISTORY OF SE MO by Douglass states this for those towns (pub 1912): Arcadia: Surveyed as a town in 1849. The first newspaper, THE ARCADIA PROSPECT established 1859. The town was not incorporated until after this period. Ironton: County seat of Iron county. Laid out immediately after the formation of Iron county, so has always been in Iron county. Middle Brook: Laid out in 1856, and is on the border of St. Francois & Iron counties. There is no mention of Graniteville in this History... In the HISTORY OF MISSOURI Before it's Inception into Statehood, by Houk (1908) there is no mention of any of these towns, so Graniteville must have been very small. I know this is not an exact answer, but one will need to have access to a current day map, get the location of those towns, then go to a program like ANIMAP and put a red x on the area... then go back through the decades to see where the x ends up in the timeframe you are seeking.. I have done this many times. Marge

In a message dated 7/12/2003 9:23:05 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Looking at the maps linked earlier on this list, Iron county did not exist > in 1850. It looks like it was made up of Mad and SF (what counties are > those)? Which county would Arcadia, Ironton, Granitville and Middlebrook > have been in, in 1850? > > > > Good Morning, According to the Handy Book for Genealogists Iron Co., was formed in 1857 from Dent, Madison, Reynolds, St. Francis, Washington, and Wayne counties. Isn't that wild...... <g> Guess they took a little bit from each of them. Hope this helps a bit - take care - Emma

Looking at the maps linked earlier on this list, Iron county did not exist in 1850. It looks like it was made up of Mad and SF (what counties are those)? Which county would Arcadia, Ironton, Granitville and Middlebrook have been in, in 1850? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.495 / Virus Database: 294 - Release Date: 6/30/2003

At last........ I found your William DOUGLAS in the 1910 Washington Co., Missouri Census........... Janet William B. Douglass found in: Census Microfilm Records: Missouri, 1910 Age: 44 Gender: M Race: W Birthplace: AR State: Missouri County: WASHINGTON Locale: BELLEVIEW TWP Series: T624 Roll: 826 Part: 2 Page: 160A E.D.: 143 ?? Sheet: 4-A Lines: 33 thru 44 Printed Page No.: 160-A ----- Original Message ----- From: "saywho" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas | Looking at it again. My copy shows Margaret Belcher and daughter Mabel as | born in Missouri and their parents born in Missouri. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Janet" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:52 PM | Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas | | | > Hello......... | > | > Well, well....... finally I'm getting somewhere...... I found your Gennie | > DOUGLAS, Gennie's husband Gilbert SCHNELL and their children in the 1910 | > Census...... I'm assuming that you have access to the US Federal | > Census........ You shouldn't have any problems locating this family from | > the info listed below....... | > | > You're in for a suprise with just this one census........ William and | > Margaret's daughter Margaret, born CA 1890 is also living in this house | and | > has a different married name then what you have....... | > | > Janet | > | > Gilbert L. Schnell found in: | > Census Microfilm Records: Missouri, 1910 | > Age: 32 | > Gender: M | > Race: W | > Birthplace: IL | > State: Missouri | > County: ST LOUIS | > Locale: 17-WD ST LOUIS | > Series: T624 | > Roll: 819 | > Part: 2 | > Page: 148A | > E.D.: 271 | > Sheet: 5-A | > Lines: 2 thru 9 | > Printed Page No.: 148-A | > >>>>NOTE: Margaret, Gennie's sister, is living here with the last name of | > BELCHER (sp?) and with her child Mable BELCHER, 9/12 months old....... | The | > census does say that Margaret is married, however there is not any husband | > listed....... | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "saywho" <[email protected]> | > To: <[email protected]> | > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:47 PM | > Subject: [MOIRON] Douglas | > | > | > | Here's my new link. I'm working on the pages, they look a little | better. | > I | > | deleted the old page because I was organizing them in a different way. | > | | > | http://treadways.homestead.com/index.html | > | | > | Going to work on uploading photos shortly. | > | | > | My newly found cousin submitted some information since my last posting. | > So | > | there is new information uploaded and also a better order of the | children. | > | | > | She also told me that her records indicate that Gennie and Clifford were | > | born out of wedlock by Margaret. Maybe folks who are reporting to me | are | > | getting their information mixed up as some of them are reporting from | > | memory. | > | | > | None of this information is verified, except that I found Lucille and | > | Gilbert's marriage certificate, which shows they both were from | Caledonia, | > | and also Jessie Mae's birth certificate. | > | | > | Thanks so much for everyone who has helped me. It never ceases to amaze | > me | > | how folks help others just because they enjoy it. I've been trying to | > | volunteer to look-up in my own city, but haven't found many needy people | > as | > | of yet. I just want to complete the circle. If you've helped me, may | it | > | come back to you full circle! | > | | > | | > | > | > | > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== | > HERMES Surname List coordinator | > WENSTROM Surname List coordinator | > | > ============================== | > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, | go to: | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | > | | | ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== | Coordinator of Iron county Missouri Web Page | http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ | Last updated Sep 2002 | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | |

Good news........ I have found your Margaret HARBISON in the 1870 census living at home with her parents...... So far I havn't found her father Barton in the 1860 Census, however I have found her father and his sibilings and his parents in the 1850 St Francois County Missouri Census......... At least you now know that the HARBISON's were first in St Francois County and then Iron County...... Perhaps you can find John & Barton by searching the hard way, line by line and page by page........... This should keep you buzy for awhile by following thru on all these families........ You mentioned on your website that Margaret was a full blooded Blackfoot......... In my opinion I don't think so....... All the records indicate the family was White and in the earlier days the Indians usually were on a different census........ So far there isn't any DOUGLAS's in the Census records......... In the 1910 Census Gilbert SCHNELL is listed as the head of household, therefore Margaret is *his* sister-in-law......... Hope this helps, Janet 1870 Missouri Federal Census - M593-780 HARBISON BETSEY 72 F W KY IRON IRONTON P O 780 520 Page: 520-A >>>>NOTE: Probably a widow and most likely the mother of William and Jefferson....... >>>>NOTE: How the surname of HARBISON is spelled...... This was the census takers doing...... HARRISON BARTON 35 M W KY IRON IRONTON P O 780 520 >>>>NOTE: Barton is the father of a 6 year old Maggie........ HARRISON JEFFERSON 32 M W KY IRON IRONTON P O 780 519 HARRISON WILLIAM 39 M W KY IRON IRONTON P O 780 520 ----------------------------------------------------------- 1860 Missouri Federal Census HARBISON, ELIZABETH State: MO Year: 1860 County: Iron County Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Kaolin Township. Page: 692 Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index >>>>NOTE: Daughter of John J HARBISON HARBISON, JOHN J. State: MO - Year: 1860 County: Iron County - Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Kaolin Township. - Page: 691 Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index HARBISON, WILLIAM State: MO - Year: 1860 County: Iron County - Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Township: Kaolin Township. - Page: 694 Database: MO 1860 Federal Census Index ----------------------------------------- 1850 St Francis County Missouri Harbison, John State: Missouri - Year: 1850 County: St. Francis - Roll: M432_413 Township: Being 80Th Dist - Page: 179 >>>>NOTE: Here's Margaret's Grandparents and her father, etc......... ----------------------------------------- Kentucky Barren County Bybee Harbison, Betsey Matthew Spouse: Bybee, Betsey Harbison, Matthew Marriage Date: 06 Jan 1818 Kentucky Barren County Bybee Harbison, Betsy John Spouse: Bybee, Betsy Harbison, John Marriage Date: 17 Feb 1818 >>>>>NOTE: This is interesting....... It appears that Betsey Married Matthew in January and then she married John in February..... Perhaps Matthew died and most likely John and Matthew are brothers......... Missouri HARBISON, JOHN J. Spouse: DAY, HARRIET A. Marriage Date: 5 Dec 1858 County: Iron State: MO Missouri HARBISON, WILLIAM K. Spouse: GREEN, ELIZABETH Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1858 County: Iron State: MO NOTE: St Francois County is not listed in this marriage index........... ----- Original Message ----- From: "saywho" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas | Yes, that is the census I found this morning which provided a lot of | information. However, I did not see that sister-in-law in the household. I | just stopped with the children! I went back and looked at it again and, | viola, there it was. Boy, more information to sort out now. I'm not sure | that's Gennie's sister Margaret (who married a Clayton...see website just | got photos and new census lookup posted for her...her descendant is my newly | found cuz.). Maybe it is Gilbert's sister-in-law? But that wouldn't make | sense. Maybe Margaret was married twice? The CA is a good clue. I sure | would like to find an earlier census of the family. | | Thanks again. | | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Janet" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:52 PM | Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas | | | > Hello......... | > | > Well, well....... finally I'm getting somewhere...... I found your Gennie | > DOUGLAS, Gennie's husband Gilbert SCHNELL and their children in the 1910 | > Census...... I'm assuming that you have access to the US Federal | > Census........ You shouldn't have any problems locating this family from | > the info listed below....... | > | > You're in for a suprise with just this one census........ William and | > Margaret's daughter Margaret, born CA 1890 is also living in this house | and | > has a different married name then what you have....... | > | > Janet | > | > Gilbert L. Schnell found in: | > Census Microfilm Records: Missouri, 1910 | > Age: 32 | > Gender: M | > Race: W | > Birthplace: IL | > State: Missouri | > County: ST LOUIS | > Locale: 17-WD ST LOUIS | > Series: T624 | > Roll: 819 | > Part: 2 | > Page: 148A | > E.D.: 271 | > Sheet: 5-A | > Lines: 2 thru 9 | > Printed Page No.: 148-A | > >>>>NOTE: Margaret, Gennie's sister, is living here with the last name of | > BELCHER (sp?) and with her child Mable BELCHER, 9/12 months old....... | The | > census does say that Margaret is married, however there is not any husband | > listed....... | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > From: "saywho" <[email protected]> | > To: <[email protected]> | > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:47 PM | > Subject: [MOIRON] Douglas | > | > | > | Here's my new link. I'm working on the pages, they look a little | better. | > I | > | deleted the old page because I was organizing them in a different way. | > | | > | http://treadways.homestead.com/index.html | > | | > | Going to work on uploading photos shortly. | > | | > | My newly found cousin submitted some information since my last posting. | > So | > | there is new information uploaded and also a better order of the | children. | > | | > | She also told me that her records indicate that Gennie and Clifford were | > | born out of wedlock by Margaret. Maybe folks who are reporting to me | are | > | getting their information mixed up as some of them are reporting from | > | memory. | > | | > | None of this information is verified, except that I found Lucille and | > | Gilbert's marriage certificate, which shows they both were from | Caledonia, | > | and also Jessie Mae's birth certificate. | > | | > | Thanks so much for everyone who has helped me. It never ceases to amaze | > me | > | how folks help others just because they enjoy it. I've been trying to | > | volunteer to look-up in my own city, but haven't found many needy people | > as | > | of yet. I just want to complete the circle. If you've helped me, may | it | > | come back to you full circle! | > | | > | | > | > | > | > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== | > HERMES Surname List coordinator | > WENSTROM Surname List coordinator | > | > ============================== | > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, | go to: | > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 | > | | | ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== | Margie Campbell | [email protected] | | ============================== | To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: | http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 |

Looking at it again. My copy shows Margaret Belcher and daughter Mabel as born in Missouri and their parents born in Missouri. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas > Hello......... > > Well, well....... finally I'm getting somewhere...... I found your Gennie > DOUGLAS, Gennie's husband Gilbert SCHNELL and their children in the 1910 > Census...... I'm assuming that you have access to the US Federal > Census........ You shouldn't have any problems locating this family from > the info listed below....... > > You're in for a suprise with just this one census........ William and > Margaret's daughter Margaret, born CA 1890 is also living in this house and > has a different married name then what you have....... > > Janet > > Gilbert L. Schnell found in: > Census Microfilm Records: Missouri, 1910 > Age: 32 > Gender: M > Race: W > Birthplace: IL > State: Missouri > County: ST LOUIS > Locale: 17-WD ST LOUIS > Series: T624 > Roll: 819 > Part: 2 > Page: 148A > E.D.: 271 > Sheet: 5-A > Lines: 2 thru 9 > Printed Page No.: 148-A > >>>>NOTE: Margaret, Gennie's sister, is living here with the last name of > BELCHER (sp?) and with her child Mable BELCHER, 9/12 months old....... The > census does say that Margaret is married, however there is not any husband > listed....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "saywho" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:47 PM > Subject: [MOIRON] Douglas > > > | Here's my new link. I'm working on the pages, they look a little better. > I > | deleted the old page because I was organizing them in a different way. > | > | http://treadways.homestead.com/index.html > | > | Going to work on uploading photos shortly. > | > | My newly found cousin submitted some information since my last posting. > So > | there is new information uploaded and also a better order of the children. > | > | She also told me that her records indicate that Gennie and Clifford were > | born out of wedlock by Margaret. Maybe folks who are reporting to me are > | getting their information mixed up as some of them are reporting from > | memory. > | > | None of this information is verified, except that I found Lucille and > | Gilbert's marriage certificate, which shows they both were from Caledonia, > | and also Jessie Mae's birth certificate. > | > | Thanks so much for everyone who has helped me. It never ceases to amaze > me > | how folks help others just because they enjoy it. I've been trying to > | volunteer to look-up in my own city, but haven't found many needy people > as > | of yet. I just want to complete the circle. If you've helped me, may it > | come back to you full circle! > | > | > > > > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > HERMES Surname List coordinator > WENSTROM Surname List coordinator > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Yes, that is the census I found this morning which provided a lot of information. However, I did not see that sister-in-law in the household. I just stopped with the children! I went back and looked at it again and, viola, there it was. Boy, more information to sort out now. I'm not sure that's Gennie's sister Margaret (who married a Clayton...see website just got photos and new census lookup posted for her...her descendant is my newly found cuz.). Maybe it is Gilbert's sister-in-law? But that wouldn't make sense. Maybe Margaret was married twice? The CA is a good clue. I sure would like to find an earlier census of the family. Thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [MOIRON] Douglas > Hello......... > > Well, well....... finally I'm getting somewhere...... I found your Gennie > DOUGLAS, Gennie's husband Gilbert SCHNELL and their children in the 1910 > Census...... I'm assuming that you have access to the US Federal > Census........ You shouldn't have any problems locating this family from > the info listed below....... > > You're in for a suprise with just this one census........ William and > Margaret's daughter Margaret, born CA 1890 is also living in this house and > has a different married name then what you have....... > > Janet > > Gilbert L. Schnell found in: > Census Microfilm Records: Missouri, 1910 > Age: 32 > Gender: M > Race: W > Birthplace: IL > State: Missouri > County: ST LOUIS > Locale: 17-WD ST LOUIS > Series: T624 > Roll: 819 > Part: 2 > Page: 148A > E.D.: 271 > Sheet: 5-A > Lines: 2 thru 9 > Printed Page No.: 148-A > >>>>NOTE: Margaret, Gennie's sister, is living here with the last name of > BELCHER (sp?) and with her child Mable BELCHER, 9/12 months old....... The > census does say that Margaret is married, however there is not any husband > listed....... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "saywho" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 6:47 PM > Subject: [MOIRON] Douglas > > > | Here's my new link. I'm working on the pages, they look a little better. > I > | deleted the old page because I was organizing them in a different way. > | > | http://treadways.homestead.com/index.html > | > | Going to work on uploading photos shortly. > | > | My newly found cousin submitted some information since my last posting. > So > | there is new information uploaded and also a better order of the children. > | > | She also told me that her records indicate that Gennie and Clifford were > | born out of wedlock by Margaret. Maybe folks who are reporting to me are > | getting their information mixed up as some of them are reporting from > | memory. > | > | None of this information is verified, except that I found Lucille and > | Gilbert's marriage certificate, which shows they both were from Caledonia, > | and also Jessie Mae's birth certificate. > | > | Thanks so much for everyone who has helped me. It never ceases to amaze > me > | how folks help others just because they enjoy it. I've been trying to > | volunteer to look-up in my own city, but haven't found many needy people > as > | of yet. I just want to complete the circle. If you've helped me, may it > | come back to you full circle! > | > | > > > > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > HERMES Surname List coordinator > WENSTROM Surname List coordinator > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Looks like this may be Wm's wife Mararet Harbison?... and in Iron county! Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Cornelius TOWNSEND Self M Male W 31 MO Store Keeper VA VA Mary TOWNSEND Wife M Female W 27 MO Keeping House VA VA William TOWNSEND Son S Male W 6 MO MO MO Mary TOWNSEND Dau S Female W 5 MO MO MO John TOWNSEND Son S Male W 3 MO MO MO Edward TOWNSEND Son S Male W 5M MO MO MO Margaret HARBISON Other S Female W 16 MO Servant MO MO ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Census Place Kaolin, Iron, Missouri Family History Library Film 1254691 NA Film Number T9-0691 Page Number 493C ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- © 1999-2002 by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. English approval: 3/1999 Use of this site constitutes your acceptance of these Conditions of Use (last updated: 3/22/1999). Privacy Policy (last updated: 10/12/2001). 26 http://www.familysearch.org v.2.5.0 >

How old was Margaret Douglas in 1880? Was she married... can you provide years of birth? Makes it easier to spot. Thanks Marge

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: AUBUCHON, McCORMICK Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zMB.2ACI/899 Message Board Post: Iron County Register Newspaper, Ironton, Missouri, September 28, 1882, Page 5. "Wedding Bells--On the 12th inst. Dr. Emmet C. McCormick and Miss. Lucy Aubuchon were married at the residence of the bride's father, at French Village, in St. Francois county." I am not related to this family - I am only posting newspaper articles.

You all are great! Iam your (almost silent) list host, and am always amazed at how often folks are given help here... and with a smile! You are all appreciated & I thank you for your assistance. I live in Lodi, California, and my Iron county MO data access is not the greatest. Margie Campbell Lodi, CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: PANNEBACKER, SUTTON Classification: Marriage Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zMB.2ACI/898 Message Board Post: Iron County Register Newspaper, Ironton, Missouri, August 31, 1882, Page 5. "Silas Pannebacker, of Marble Creek, ran off with Dorothy Sutton last Saturday, and the twain are now enjoying new fields and pastures green in Illinois. The escapade does not damage the reputation of either party." I am not related but am only posting newspaper articles.

I will have the VA maps online soon... they will be on my homepage at freepages... Marge > -----Original Message----- > From: Margie Campbell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 9:10 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MOIRON] Early Ancestor Locations > > > Hi everyone: > When you are researching your early (before 1900's), you really > must have a > fair knowledge of the history of our country & it's changes in boundry > lines. > > Animap is a wonderful program, and the provider, Goldbug can be found at: > http://www.goldbug.com/ > > For access to the county boundry maps online: > http://www.segenealogy.com/missouri/mo_maps.htm > > > Also, for Iron county, I have put a map that I got from the Dept of > Transportation (75 cents each, I think... was not much). You can view the > Iron county map here: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~moiron2/ironmaps.htm > > You will need Adobe Acrobat Reader.. and the above site has a link to > download that program (free). > > Why do you need to know about the boundry changes from long ago? Because > county boundry, and many times state boundry lines changed. For > instance, > did you know that in the 1700's, VA covered a vast amount of the > Eastern US? > > Most of the (US side) Great Lakes (Huron, Michigan, Erie & > Superior) were in > VA (1781). At one time (1790 & before) many of the Eastern States, > including VA ran as far (some maps show coast to coast) the Mississippi > River? > > We need to have a working knowledge of maps & boundaries to be able to > determine what our country boundaries were in the years we are > searching for > our ancestor's in. > > Also, you need to check the Animap/ or county map links above to > know where > in MO (or any state) your ancestor's were and ended up in. Iron > county, MO > formed in 1857 from Dent, Madison, Reynolds, St. Francois, Washington & > Wayne counties. Prior to 1857, one MUST include these other counties, and > then check to see where these counties formed from. > > We need to do our Homework! If you do your homework, you will be better > able to provide help to those who have volunteered to help you locate > information. > > NEVER let a location stop you from considering a line. > > One other note... here is the story (true)... > > I get an email... would the James Freeman Campbell in my gedcom > have been in > San Francisco in early 1940's? I asked my mom in law... NO Freeman never > left MO and died there. I told the person I didn't think so. I think I > got couple more notes... then about a year later a letter in the > mail... "My > dad was James Freeman Campbell b Iron County, MO".. the dates and location > were correct... so, not wanting to disapoint someone looking for > her fathers > family... I emailed a copy of the letter to family in MO & FL... a few > moments later I get a phone call...." HOW DID YOU FIND HER? We have been > looking forever!." > Seems James Freeman was in CA, and had married several times. He had kids > by most of the wives... had I insisted, the connection would not have come > about... the aunt is not an avid computer user. > > Moral... don't take spoken words as gospel. My mom in law also > stated her > Pattersons were of Cape Girardeau county... yet I found them (took 3 years > to have it sink in she could be wrong about her own family too) > in Stoddard > county. > > Do your research... don't let stories, no matter who tells them, or > county/state boundries stop you from busting through a brick wall.... > > Please, when you get an offer of help, don't say..." can't be them, not > right town, county, or whatever".... check it out.. someone has > gone through > a lot of bother to help you... they may have more knowledge than you do > about genealogy research.. check the information out before you > dismiss the > possibilities. Same goes for name spellings (our MO ancestors were NOT > great at spelling). > > Thanks & happy hunting! > > Marge > > > ==== MOIRON Mailing List ==== > Iron county Missouri has a Genealogy Society web page - Link on > the Iron co site above. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WHITE, AMELUNG Classification: Lookup Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/zMB.2ACI/897.1 Message Board Post: I want to thank everyone that has e-mailed me a copy of my aunt's obituary. I really appreciate it--it means a lot to me. Marcine