---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 20:21:59 -0600 From: CWarbritton@cs.com To: MOPETTIS-L@rootsweb.com, MOSALINE-L@rootsweb.com, MOCOOPER-L@rootsweb.com, MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} Forty-Niners and Old Settlers In the Fall 1983 MoSGA Journal is a record of the proceedings of the Forty-Niners and Old Timers Assn copied from the files of the Joint Collection of the MU Western Historical Manuscripts & State Hist. Scty of Mo Manuscripts, copied by Betty Harvey Williams. From the minutes of the meetings, I will extract the list of those members: Oct. 11, 1889 Forty-Niners R.A. McCulloch, Cooper Co. in 1849 William Risler, Cooper Co in 1849 J.P. Hirth, Cooper Co in 1849 John J. Tucker, Cooper Co in 1849 John H. Jury, Cooper Co in 1849 Adam Scott, Cooper Co 1849 H.C. Levens, Cooper Co 1849 Robt H. Taliaferro, Cooper, 1849 Mathias Houx, Johnson Co, 1849 W.E. Clayton, Cooper, 1850 Andrew Houx, Cooper, 1850 William Snider, Cooper, 1850 George C. Hartt, Cooper, 1850 W.C.P. Taylor, Cooper, 1849 A.J. Elliott, Pettis, 1850 James Douglas, Johnson, 1849 Stephen Callaway, Howard, 1850 Thomas Mellor, Cooper, 1849 C.B. Carrole, Howard, 1850 John Calloway, Howard, 1849 Robert McCullough, Cooper, 1849 C.W. Somburt, Cooper, 1849 S.J. Hough, Morgan, 1849 Julius Somburt, Cooper, 1849 B.C. Clark, Cooper, 1849 William Collins, Cooper, 1849 J.J. Byler, Cooper, 1848, L.H. Stuhl, Cooper, 1850 J.B. Holman, Cooper, 1849 Old Settlers - names, places of nativity, date of birth: B.C. Clark, Missouri, 1819 A.J. Elliott, Missouri, 1819 R.A. McCulloch, Virginia, 1824 Robert McCulloch, Virginia, 1820 Henry C. Levens, Missouri, 1821 Adam Scott, Missouri, 1825 John H. Estill, Kentucky, 1816 W.S. Parson, Virginia, 1818 Thos. C. Cranmer, Missouri, 1834 Simon P. Tivis, Kentucky, 1806 Jeremiah Tomlinson, Kentucky, 1819 John M. McCentchen, Kentucky, 1816 W.C.P. Taylor, Tennessee, 1824 James Douglass, Mo, 1829 J.S. Talbott, Virginia, 1827 W.D. Kimsey, Missouri, 1835 A.W. McFarland, Missouri, 1834 Wm. L. Collins, Kentucky, 1825 J.Q. Callaway, Missouri, 1829 W.E. Clayton, Maryland, 1826 Joe Byler, Missouri, 1826 H.H. Tutt, Virginia, 1824 Huston George, Tennessee, 1809 Stephen Callaway, Missouri, 1824 George S. Cockrell, Virginia, 1822 Jeremiah Smith, Tennessee, 1810 George C. Hartt, Missouri, 1826 W. Smith, Pennsylvania, 1826 A.M. George, Missouri, 1836 H.M. Meyers, Virginia, 1814 C.W. Sombart, Prusia, 1820 Julius Somburt, Prusia, 1825 Robert H. Taliferro, Kentucky, 1822 A.H. Windsor, Virginia, 1822 F.M. Caldwell, Virginia, 1819 (to be continued)

Volume 4, page 61 20 February 1847 Jordan, James D. Sister: Adaline Edwards Volume 4, page 18 20 February 1847 Jordan, James Dabney Sister: Francis E. Fisher James Dabney Jordan, Francis E. Fisher and Adaline Edmonds, were children of James & Elizabeth Jordan. James and Elizabeth also had another daughter Amanda, who was married to George Washington Jones and another son Roland. They were in Howard County in 1830. All were born in Virginia (or W. Virginia now). Francis E. Jordan Fisher was married to Peyton Fisher, and Adaline L. Jordan Edmonds was married to William Edmonds. Still searching for anyone researching any of these folks, primarily the Edmonds. >From: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> >To: MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MOHOWARD-L] More Misc. Families found in Howard County Land >Deeds >Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 21:46:35 -0700 > >Volume W, page 251 >18 June1846 >Haden, Joel H. >Daughter: Martha J. Shirley, wife of James A. > >Volume Z, page 33 >9 September 1846 >Marriage Contract >Terrill, John of Howard County and Mary Terrill of Randolph County >Witnesses: Edmund C. Terrill; Robert H. Terrill. > >Volume W, page 369 >22 September 1846 >Givens, Benjamin, dec. >Daughter: Sally Patton, wife of Thomas W. of Williamson County, TN >(Sally is the half-sister of James Given, dec. and Robert Given, dec., sons >of Benjamin.) > >Volume Y, page 136 >8 February 1847 >Brannin, Margaret >Daughter: Elizabeth Scott, dec. > >Volume 4, page 61 >20 February 1847 >Jordan, James D. >Sister: Adaline Edwards > >Volume 4, page 18 >20 February 1847 >Jordan, James Dabney >Sister: Francis E. Fisher > >Volume X, page 91 >23 February 1847 >Coy, Samuel, dec. >Daughter: Lucinda Wharton, wife of Henry of Chariton County > >Volume X, page 206 >17 April 1847 >Marriage Agreement >Canole, Charles and Nancy McKinney >Son of Nancy: Alexander W. McKinney >Daughters of Nancy: Martha L. McKinney; Zerelda McKinney. > > > >Beth _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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It has been a while since I've thanked you, Kathy, for your continuing transcriptions. You have brought much joy into many people's lives as a result of your work with the Higbee News transcriptions. While traveling in Missouri, I can tell you that many times I heard your name and the work you've done mentioned in libraries, historical societies, among researchers and among cousins. So much information has been unearthed! Today, my 91 year old cousin, Fred Warford, was thrilled to learn he had "made the paper." He is not on the internet--or anywhere near a computer--but my mother and I send him articles from time to time about Higbee and his family and friends. Today I told him that his conversion at a tent meeting was covered in the news; his name was among those listed as thereafter being baptised as a member of the Baptist church. A good Baptist still, he very much wants to know the exact date of the tent meeting and thus his conversion. In searching the archives, I see that the details of the meeting were omitted, but names of the converted were published. If anyone would know the date of the meeting, or if Kathy or anyone has access to the Higbee News still for that period, he would like to record this important date in his life. He remembers well being in the back row of the tent, asleep. His foot had been resting on a rope that held up the tent and at some time during the service, the rope snapped up, jerking his leg up and knocking him over. The Lord, he says, woke him up. Then, with some powerful preaching, a bored teenaged boy named Freddie found God, and was forever changed. Here is the excerpt I found in the archives about the meeting. A later issue gave Fred's name as one of the Baptists who was baptised as a result of this conversion. But this article does not give the date of the tent meeting. If I can help Fred find this out, I'd like to do so. And thank you again, Kathy. We are all blessed to have you. -------------------- Friday, 11 Sep. 1925, Vol 39 No. 20, pg. 1, col 1--(Kathy's notes: This was a two column article about a big tent religious meeting, that converted 125 people in one stroke. Those converted will be named, but the article omitted for space.) .... Friday, 25 Sep. 1925, Vol 39 No. 22, pg. 1, col 4--New Baptist Church Members--The following are the new members added to the Baptist church during the recent tabernacle meeting conducted by the Rev. Baker and Brower, as furnished us by the church clerk, Joe Lay: Mr. and Mrs. Chas. Turpin, Wm. Hurshman, Gilbert Claypool, Lilly Claypool, Clara Atkins, Myrtle Atkins, Bettie Warford, Freddie Warford, Ethel Chism, Warren Winn, Donald Woods, Pete Gruber, Georgia Gruber, James Gruber, Alberta Edwards and John D. Edwards. Baptismal services were held at the Alton lake Sunday afternoon, when all of the above who had not united with the church by letter, some twelve or more, were baptized by the pastor, the Rev. L. M. White, a very large crowd being on hand to witness this most solemn rite.

Thanks for your input. Since I tend to believe the marriage occurred in Missouri rather than Kentucky, maybe I should focus my search on the counties surrounding Howard - -Randolph, Cooper, Boone, for example. I don't know how far back their marriage records go but I guess I will soon find out. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Gibbons" <c.n.gibbons@worldnet.att.net> To: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net>; <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > I think it is very possible that the record is somewhere else - for various > reasons. Sometimes people would record the marriage in other counties > because the county seat was closer - and it was up the the preacher to do > the recording. In the marriage books I have been looking at, I have found a > few which were recorded some years after they were done. If the minister > never recorded it, it would never be done. I think it unlikely that they > stopped somewhere along the way to make it legal because they would have > made it moral (probably) before they left; here again, if there was no > preacher around, they may very well have made it moral along the way. > > Carolyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> > To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > > > > Thanks so much for checking that out. I was afraid that there was no > > marriage record in Jessamine County, KY. > > > > Not having a lot of experience in researching records from the early > 1800's, > > I would be interested if anyone out there has any theories about the > > apparent lack of a marriage record in the "obvious" places. I have often > > wondered if the two families traveled to Missouri together from Kentucky > and > > maybe John W. & Sally got married somewhere along the way. How likely do > > you think it is that they were married in some county between Jessamine KY > > and Howard MO, and if they were migrating westward, did people back then > > take the time to make it "legal," by stopping by the nearest county seat > to > > file the marriage record? Maybe they never got legally married. . . but > > seeing as how they were strict Baptists, I find that hard to believe. The > > other option would be that their marriage record somehow got lost over > time. > > My records indicate that their oldest child, William Morris, was born in > > 1824, and Sally was born in 1805, so even if she was only 16 when she got > > married, that would put their year of marriage around 1821, which is still > > after the Morris family came to Missouri in about 1819. > > > > This may be a stupid question but what does "Bo: Nathaniel Morris" mean > > (shown below in Hopey Morris marriage record)? I show that Nathaniel & > > Nancy Williams Morris had a daughter named Hopey/Hopi. There was a Hopi > > Morris who married Allen Evans on Nov. 25, 1841 in Howard County, MO, so > it > > looks like she may have married a man in KY the first time then perhaps he > > died then she married the Evans after coming to MO. The strange thing is > > that the marriage record in MO shows her last name as "Morris" rather than > > "Smith," which I would have expected had she been a widow. Maybe there > were > > two different Hopey Morrises. > > > > What is the "Alford Williams Account Book" that you referred to below? Is > > that some kind of journal that Alford Williams actually kept during his > > lifetime? Does it still exist and have you actually seen it? > > > > Thanks a lot for all your help. > > > > Pat Phillips > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <starr460@insightbb.com> > > To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > > > > > > > There is no marriage in Jessamine Co., Ky., for John Williams Morris > s/o > > > Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris. I also checked the marriage records > > for the > > > adjoining counties of Fayette and Woodford as their home in Jessamine > was > > near > > > the small town of Keene. > > > > > > The only early Morris Marriages: > > > Thomas H. Smith - Hopey Morris - 23 Dec 1818 returned 27 Dec 1818. Bo: > > Nathaniel > > > Morris. Grooms father was Humphrey Smith of Indiana. > > > Henry Morris -Nancy Boatman. 7 Sep 1813. Bo: William Boatman. Sally > > Boatman, > > > mother of the bride. > > > > > > Alford Williams and family were founding members of the Mount Pleasant > > Church at > > > Keene (still going strong - > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/3333/index.html) > > > > > > Minutes of Mt Pleasant - 1st Sat in August 1819 - At the request of Bro > > > Nathaniel Morris himself and wife and "too" daughters Elizabeth and > Hopey > > are > > > granted letters of dismission. At the next meeting - Letters of > > dismission > > > granted to John Morris and Henry Trabue and sister Catherine Roper. The > > church > > > agreed to adjoin until tomorrow to inquire in the cause of Brother Roper > > (poor > > > Jesse Mims Roper - he seemed to be in and out of favor with this > church). > > > > > > The above seems to indicate that John Morris did not have a wife when > they > > left > > > Jessamine Co. > > > > > > Written in Alford Williams Account Book - "Alford Williams moved to Ky., > 9 > > Sep > > > 1782 & he moved to Mo., 7 May 1819, where he died 17 Feb 1835 > > > He lived the Calvanist Faith for 40 years. At his death he had 70 > > grandchildren > > > & 76 great-great grandchildren" > > > > > > Nancy Williams b 28 Feb 1779, wife of Nathaniel Morris - was the 4th > > child of > > > Alford & Elizabeth Price Williams. It seems this family joined Mount > > Ararat > > > church in Howard Co., Mo. > > > > > > If anyone is interested in records from the bluegrass counties of Ky. I > > will try > > > to help. > > > > > > Searching for Alford and Elizabeth Price Williams and his many children > > (12) > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beth Wilson wrote: > > > > > > > Found the probate for William Padgett, not sure it answers all your > > > > questions. The exact relationships are not given except for the widow. > > > > > > > > Howard County Probate Records > > > > > > > > Volume 2, page 160 > > > > November Term Court 1829 > > > > John W. Morris and Levan Evans, Adm. of the estate of William Padgett, > > dec. > > > > Hardin Padgett and Lucinda Padgett, over 14 yr., minors and heirs of > > William > > > > Padgett, dec. > > > > choose John W. Morris as their guardian. > > > > > > > > Volume 2, Page194 > > > > February Term Court 1830 > > > > Final Settlement for William Padgett, dec. > > > > Heirs: > > > > Widow, not named > > > > J.W. Morris, husband of Sally Padgett, one of heirs > > > > John Cunningham, husband of Delila Padgett. > > > > Mentions the 5 legatees, not all named. > > > > > > > > Volume 2, page 256 > > > > November Term Court 1830 > > > > John W. Morris guardian of the minor children of William Padgett, dec. > > > > presents accounts to the Court > > > > Money paid to: Hannah Padgett, widow of William; John and Delina > > Cunningham; > > > > Polly Padgett; John W. and Sally Morris; > > > > Money is due to Hardin and Lucinda Padgett. > > > > > > > > Beth > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> > > > > To: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:26 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land > > Deeds > > > > > > > > > Beth, > > > > > > > > > > This is totally awesome. One of the entries below is for my > > > > > gr-gr-gr-gr-grandparents (John W. & Sally Morris): > > > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 502 > > > > > 29 October 1832 > > > > > Padgett, William, dec. > > > > > Heirs: John and Delina Cunningham; John W. and Sally Morris; Polly > > > > Padgett. > > > > > > > > > > I have never been able to determine when or where they got married > and > > I > > > > > also had questions about Sally's maiden name. I have seen her > listed > > as > > > > > Sally Padgett Robb, daughter of Henry Robb, which made it seem like > > > > Padgett > > > > > was her middle name. That didn't really make sense to me, but from > > what > > > > you > > > > > have found, it seems like maybe she was the daughter of this William > > > > > Padgett, and maybe Polly Padgett was her mother (or unmarried sister > > ?). > > > > I > > > > > looked in the Howard County Cemetery Records Book and there are only > 3 > > > > > Padgett entries listed, none of which are these. However, this is > so > > long > > > > > ago that it is not surprising that there is no record of their > > burial - > > > > they > > > > > were undoubtedly buried on the family farm under a tree or in the > > middle > > > > of > > > > > a pasture and perhaps the graves were never even marked. > > > > > > > > > > John W. Morris is the son of Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris and > the > > > > > grandson of Alfred & Elizabeth (Price) Williams. They came to > Howard > > > > > County, MO from Jessamine County, KY around 1819. I have never > found > > a > > > > > marriage record in Howard County for John W. & Sally, so I have > often > > > > > wondered if they got married in Jessamine County before coming to > MO? > > > > They > > > > > would have both been old enough to marry by 1819 so that is very > > possible. > > > > > I have not been able to research the marriage records from Jessamine > > > > County > > > > > to find anything on them. If you know of any special tips on how to > > best > > > > > find marriage information in KY I would appreciate it. I know > > Kentucky is > > > > > sort of like MO in that counties got merged and changed early on so > it > > is > > > > > sometimes hard to pinpoint where the records are. > > > > > > > > > > Are you actually going thru the original records and finding this > > stuff or > > > > > is this on CD/Microfilm and you are just going thru it all for grins > ? > > I > > > > > would be interested in finding out more about what you're doing and > > why. > > > > > Seems like you are always finding a lot of good information for > > people. I > > > > > also saw you refer to teaching a genealogy class - where do you do > > that? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for this little tidbit. Write back when you have a chance! > > > > > > > > > > Patrick Phillips > > > > > 463 Hamilton Meadows Drive > > > > > Fenton, MO 63026 > > > > > > > > > > >

I think it is very possible that the record is somewhere else - for various reasons. Sometimes people would record the marriage in other counties because the county seat was closer - and it was up the the preacher to do the recording. In the marriage books I have been looking at, I have found a few which were recorded some years after they were done. If the minister never recorded it, it would never be done. I think it unlikely that they stopped somewhere along the way to make it legal because they would have made it moral (probably) before they left; here again, if there was no preacher around, they may very well have made it moral along the way. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > Thanks so much for checking that out. I was afraid that there was no > marriage record in Jessamine County, KY. > > Not having a lot of experience in researching records from the early 1800's, > I would be interested if anyone out there has any theories about the > apparent lack of a marriage record in the "obvious" places. I have often > wondered if the two families traveled to Missouri together from Kentucky and > maybe John W. & Sally got married somewhere along the way. How likely do > you think it is that they were married in some county between Jessamine KY > and Howard MO, and if they were migrating westward, did people back then > take the time to make it "legal," by stopping by the nearest county seat to > file the marriage record? Maybe they never got legally married. . . but > seeing as how they were strict Baptists, I find that hard to believe. The > other option would be that their marriage record somehow got lost over time. > My records indicate that their oldest child, William Morris, was born in > 1824, and Sally was born in 1805, so even if she was only 16 when she got > married, that would put their year of marriage around 1821, which is still > after the Morris family came to Missouri in about 1819. > > This may be a stupid question but what does "Bo: Nathaniel Morris" mean > (shown below in Hopey Morris marriage record)? I show that Nathaniel & > Nancy Williams Morris had a daughter named Hopey/Hopi. There was a Hopi > Morris who married Allen Evans on Nov. 25, 1841 in Howard County, MO, so it > looks like she may have married a man in KY the first time then perhaps he > died then she married the Evans after coming to MO. The strange thing is > that the marriage record in MO shows her last name as "Morris" rather than > "Smith," which I would have expected had she been a widow. Maybe there were > two different Hopey Morrises. > > What is the "Alford Williams Account Book" that you referred to below? Is > that some kind of journal that Alford Williams actually kept during his > lifetime? Does it still exist and have you actually seen it? > > Thanks a lot for all your help. > > Pat Phillips > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <starr460@insightbb.com> > To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:44 PM > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > > > > There is no marriage in Jessamine Co., Ky., for John Williams Morris s/o > > Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris. I also checked the marriage records > for the > > adjoining counties of Fayette and Woodford as their home in Jessamine was > near > > the small town of Keene. > > > > The only early Morris Marriages: > > Thomas H. Smith - Hopey Morris - 23 Dec 1818 returned 27 Dec 1818. Bo: > Nathaniel > > Morris. Grooms father was Humphrey Smith of Indiana. > > Henry Morris -Nancy Boatman. 7 Sep 1813. Bo: William Boatman. Sally > Boatman, > > mother of the bride. > > > > Alford Williams and family were founding members of the Mount Pleasant > Church at > > Keene (still going strong - > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/3333/index.html) > > > > Minutes of Mt Pleasant - 1st Sat in August 1819 - At the request of Bro > > Nathaniel Morris himself and wife and "too" daughters Elizabeth and Hopey > are > > granted letters of dismission. At the next meeting - Letters of > dismission > > granted to John Morris and Henry Trabue and sister Catherine Roper. The > church > > agreed to adjoin until tomorrow to inquire in the cause of Brother Roper > (poor > > Jesse Mims Roper - he seemed to be in and out of favor with this church). > > > > The above seems to indicate that John Morris did not have a wife when they > left > > Jessamine Co. > > > > Written in Alford Williams Account Book - "Alford Williams moved to Ky., 9 > Sep > > 1782 & he moved to Mo., 7 May 1819, where he died 17 Feb 1835 > > He lived the Calvanist Faith for 40 years. At his death he had 70 > grandchildren > > & 76 great-great grandchildren" > > > > Nancy Williams b 28 Feb 1779, wife of Nathaniel Morris - was the 4th > child of > > Alford & Elizabeth Price Williams. It seems this family joined Mount > Ararat > > church in Howard Co., Mo. > > > > If anyone is interested in records from the bluegrass counties of Ky. I > will try > > to help. > > > > Searching for Alford and Elizabeth Price Williams and his many children > (12) > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > Beth Wilson wrote: > > > > > Found the probate for William Padgett, not sure it answers all your > > > questions. The exact relationships are not given except for the widow. > > > > > > Howard County Probate Records > > > > > > Volume 2, page 160 > > > November Term Court 1829 > > > John W. Morris and Levan Evans, Adm. of the estate of William Padgett, > dec. > > > Hardin Padgett and Lucinda Padgett, over 14 yr., minors and heirs of > William > > > Padgett, dec. > > > choose John W. Morris as their guardian. > > > > > > Volume 2, Page194 > > > February Term Court 1830 > > > Final Settlement for William Padgett, dec. > > > Heirs: > > > Widow, not named > > > J.W. Morris, husband of Sally Padgett, one of heirs > > > John Cunningham, husband of Delila Padgett. > > > Mentions the 5 legatees, not all named. > > > > > > Volume 2, page 256 > > > November Term Court 1830 > > > John W. Morris guardian of the minor children of William Padgett, dec. > > > presents accounts to the Court > > > Money paid to: Hannah Padgett, widow of William; John and Delina > Cunningham; > > > Polly Padgett; John W. and Sally Morris; > > > Money is due to Hardin and Lucinda Padgett. > > > > > > Beth > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> > > > To: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land > Deeds > > > > > > > Beth, > > > > > > > > This is totally awesome. One of the entries below is for my > > > > gr-gr-gr-gr-grandparents (John W. & Sally Morris): > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 502 > > > > 29 October 1832 > > > > Padgett, William, dec. > > > > Heirs: John and Delina Cunningham; John W. and Sally Morris; Polly > > > Padgett. > > > > > > > > I have never been able to determine when or where they got married and > I > > > > also had questions about Sally's maiden name. I have seen her listed > as > > > > Sally Padgett Robb, daughter of Henry Robb, which made it seem like > > > Padgett > > > > was her middle name. That didn't really make sense to me, but from > what > > > you > > > > have found, it seems like maybe she was the daughter of this William > > > > Padgett, and maybe Polly Padgett was her mother (or unmarried sister > ?). > > > I > > > > looked in the Howard County Cemetery Records Book and there are only 3 > > > > Padgett entries listed, none of which are these. However, this is so > long > > > > ago that it is not surprising that there is no record of their > burial - > > > they > > > > were undoubtedly buried on the family farm under a tree or in the > middle > > > of > > > > a pasture and perhaps the graves were never even marked. > > > > > > > > John W. Morris is the son of Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris and the > > > > grandson of Alfred & Elizabeth (Price) Williams. They came to Howard > > > > County, MO from Jessamine County, KY around 1819. I have never found > a > > > > marriage record in Howard County for John W. & Sally, so I have often > > > > wondered if they got married in Jessamine County before coming to MO? > > > They > > > > would have both been old enough to marry by 1819 so that is very > possible. > > > > I have not been able to research the marriage records from Jessamine > > > County > > > > to find anything on them. If you know of any special tips on how to > best > > > > find marriage information in KY I would appreciate it. I know > Kentucky is > > > > sort of like MO in that counties got merged and changed early on so it > is > > > > sometimes hard to pinpoint where the records are. > > > > > > > > Are you actually going thru the original records and finding this > stuff or > > > > is this on CD/Microfilm and you are just going thru it all for grins ? > I > > > > would be interested in finding out more about what you're doing and > why. > > > > Seems like you are always finding a lot of good information for > people. I > > > > also saw you refer to teaching a genealogy class - where do you do > that? > > > > > > > > Thanks for this little tidbit. Write back when you have a chance! > > > > > > > > Patrick Phillips > > > > 463 Hamilton Meadows Drive > > > > Fenton, MO 63026 > > > > > > >

We may have talked before Elizabeth, but I use The Master Genealogist and find it does everything I want it to and maybe some more. You can either keep in it the information you find or I think it would be better to use another program and put in only what applies to that person. I have mine broken down into 6 different files - but that is because I had originally started in 1985 with different familly files and did not put them together. TMG has a new version out now which I have not yet gotten. It just was released within the past couple of months. You can check out on their website whollygenes.com where you can get a sample database to practice with if you feel like it. I don't have as many as some people, but my Dougherty database has over 4,000 people in it interconnected. I have not yet found any limitations in the notes field, the "memo" field or any other fields. I have some complete wills or obituaries attached to the people. It does have a learning curve, however. But they have good documentation and a helpful website/email site. I also work with the Mormon Church and many, many use their Personal Ancestry File. I have not done any looking at it since several years ago. One problem it had for me then was you could not enter unrelated people. I have occasionally entered famillies whom I have not connected to my main group, but maybe I have a family one or two generations whom I believe will connect. I also use my TMG for research I have done for some friends. TMG permits connects or not. But PAF is supported by the Mormons who are the world's last word in genealogy. As far as Clooz - I use it and just recently got it. It is now based on Access and uses some of the same key strokes (Control-" for copying last field or Control-Z for going back to the original field information if you have not left the field or Control-F2 for editing not replacing a field). I have not used it enough to give a full report, but it is helping me organize my data. I do not use it completely as the writer intended. For instance, I do not use it for my census research. First her set up and reports do not lend themselves to my thinking. Secondly, I have been organizing my census data in other data base programs since 1986(first in PC-File and then when I changed to Windows in Access) and have spent time learning the program and writing my reports. I can now organize on surname, year, location, first name, family or any combination of above. Again, with Clooz you need another program for your files. Clooz gives you reference numbers you can make up. Her suggestions - and this is how her mind thinks - is to put all of one type of record together. Example: All marriage information together, then given numbers like: MAR 0001, MAR 0002, MAR 0003 regardless of who is in it or where it is. (I am going along with this. It seems to work for me, but I have not yet gotten my data moved over. I plan (oh, in the far, far, distant future) to put all my documents scanned into my computer and then I can pull them up and read them without going through my several notebooks. This is for the originals. For notations, I am trying to figure out what to do.) You have to use it with Clooz to find who you have. But they work together. You can then in a word processing program (if you want) or just in your files keep the full document. In Clooz you have either the full information or a precis of it, depending on your preference. I am not comfortable with the reports, yet, but that will come in time I think. I also do not like that you cannot have secondary names for the people in Clooz - you have to remember who they all are, have another reference, or use Clooz with your database genealogy program. What I mean is, you know how many of our people are named John Thomas Somebody but go under the name or Tommy or Skip. Or the woman whom you find in records as Hildegard Frump is really Angeline Casanova. I had my data (on computer) many years ago just typed in in ASCII and then had a program which would sort for up to ten strings but that became lost when I upgraded to Windows. It was DOS based. Would work okay with 3.1 but died on the vine with Windows 95. I have not yet decided fully what to do. I am alternating between using just Word or using Word tables. This is for data which I might someday use but have no idea now what. I could put it into Clooz, but I don't want to because some is just lists I have made say of marriages in a location of the correct surname or tax lists of all the neighbors. Access has a limitation on size even with the super field. And I have not figured out a good way to use it. I had a couple of years before spent some time trying to find a good database program to buy and use - and everyone told me that Access was the be-all and end-all. It is good but has limitations for MY use. You may want to try Clooz first and see how it works for you and your mind. What you do - You have a document, and this can be anything from a full will to a notation of a cemetery record. Give it a number - I use as an example MQWCEM 001 01 which I have found is 3 digits too long to be easily read in the preview window; this is from my MO Cemeteries book, page 1, first sequential record on the page. If it says for example (and I am making this up, not using a real one) "Dougherty, Alice, wife of John, born Jan 1, 1855 died Oct 10, 1921, daughter of Peter and Mary (Callisto) Williams" I would have 4 people to "connect" to the record. They are Alice Williams, John Dougherty, Peter Williams and Mary Callisto. For wives whose maiden name I do not know I use [ ] around the married name as [Williams] if I did not know her name was Callisto. Another example would be one of the probate records Beth copied for us (and since I have lost my computer records for now again I am inventing) PRO 0001 would be my first probate record. It might refernce John Williams, dec'd and heirs Mary Williams now wife of John Evans, Colden Williams, Milton Williams, Ellen Williams now wife of Thomas Thompson, John Williams and Walker Johnson (no relationship given). You would have 9 people to tie in to the record. The link is made and then if you later find out more information on someone, you change the "person" which automatically changes all the links. What I mean is, say above you had just Ellen Thompson listed as an heir and linked her as Ellen Thompson or Ellen [Thompson] she would show on any report or in your database when you looked at the record as Ellen Thompson. Later you find out she was a Williams, change her in the person screen, and then when you look at the Probate record in Clooz it shows her name as Ellen Williams [Ellen Thompson in record]. The record will show both her maiden birth name and the name she uses in the record itself. I would be happy to answer any questions I can about TMG. I have been using it for about 5 years. I accidentally started using it, if you can believe that. When I first started in 1985 I was sold Family Roots a DOS-based program which I liked. When Windows became necessary to all and sundry, the writer was not able to upgrade in time and made a deal with TMG who would make a program to transfer over much of my notes and extra information into TMG. So I started using that. It is more expensive than some of the programs (PAF is free if you download or about $25 if you buy the CD). More than you wanted to know. Carolyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth DuBois Russo" <elizabethrusso@attbi.com> To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: [MOHOWARD-L] How do you store and sort your data? > As there seem to be some serious data-collectors on this list, I'd like to pick your brains. > > What programs do you use, and why? > > I'm finding out Family TreeMaker's limitations for such ancestors as my Colden Williams. I've collected a lot of data which I'm now just storing in word processing documents because the amount of information goes well beyond FTM's "More about facts" and "Notes" sections. To access related facts quickly and make reports, I'm stuck with whatever I can put together with FTM. And my FTM database has gotten so large that it is really starting to bog down whenever I want to do some of the reports it is supposed to be able to generate. I've had to break down my database into sections so that I don't have much more than 10,000 individuals per file. Now I'm thinking I should break them down further into files with no more than 5,000 individuals. All together, I probably have more than 25,000 individuals among my various files. Some individuals have the bare facts; others have deeds, wills, estate records, census records, biographies, pictures, and more. > > I'm wondering if I should be using some other kind of database program. I want to be able to start seeing the migration patterns, timelines, religions, etc., more easily. > > I've heard of some standard database programs, and some specialized ones like Clooz. I've been told also I should switch to something like Master Genealogist. > > I've been with Family TreeMaker for the five years I've been doing this, and I haven't worked with a basic database program before. > > Recommendations?? > > Elizabeth >

I have a hard copy of the Williams family that Louise Coutts compiled in 1991. She typed it on a typewriter and I have never taken the type to enter it in a word processing document or in FTM, but if you would like a copy I can mail it to you. I don't see any connection in her Williams line to the Colden Williams clan or to the Alfred Williams clan or to the Joseph Williams clan, all of whom put down roots in Howard County. Her Williams line starts with Lewis A. Williams, born May 17, 1789 in Madison County, KY, died Sept. 25, 1844 in Howard County, MO. Married Elizabeth Hyatt (Jan. 8, 1796 - Aug. 10, 1861), daughter of Moses Hyatt. This couple is buried in Swetnam Cemetery, Howard County, MO. Children of Lewis A. & Elizabeth (Hyatt) Williams were: 1. Merrett Williams, b. 1817, married Elizabeth Lee 2. Berry Williams, b. 1819, married Mary Frances Gatewood 3. Serena Williams, b. 1820, married Samuel B. Green 4. William Calvin Williams, b. 1822, married Jeanette Blakely The Merrit Williams you are asking about was the son of Lewis & Elizabeth (Hyatt) Williams. She spells his name "Merrett" in her document. He was born in Virginia in 1817 but reared in Kentucky. The History of Howard and Cooper Counties, MO 1883 states that he married Eliza Smith in Fayette County, KY, however Howard County, MO marriage records show him marrying Elizabeth Lee on Dec. 23, 1835. The only child known of Merrett & Eliza (Smith)/Elizabeth (Smith) Williams: June Williams (male), born Dec. 3, 1830. Married Martha Rucker Dec. 14, 1854. Their children: 1. Junie Williams 2. Granville Williams 3. Archie Williams 4. Dabney Williams, married Gertie Gannon 5. James Williams 6. Mattie Williams 7. Horace Williams 8. Rena Williams, married Ed Gannon 9. Carrie Williams 10. Sidney Williams, deceased before 1883. This document is 22 pages of information on the descendants of Lewis Williams if you are interested. Thanks, Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth DuBois Russo" <elizabethrusso@attbi.com> To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [MOHOWARD-L] Who was Merrit Williams? > While in Fayette, I copied documents from the estate of Elizabeth Williams > thinking she was from "my" branch of the Williams. I eventually discovered > she was the widow of Merrit Williams. I've seen their names in deed records > as well. Anyone know who this couple were? Anyone interested in this > Elizabeth's estate, let me know, because I copied various documents such as > her doctor bills, etc. > > Lynn, if you check the other messages, I think Kathy and Beth and Carolyn > and everyone are figuring out the various Mary J's etc. > > Elizabeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Nana1543@aol.com> > To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Williams probate > > > > Ooops ... sorry about this, it would help if checked my notes .. lol. > > > > found this in my notes tho. > > > > "Third marrige of Montraville 1879 no issue. > > To Mary J. Williams b. 1838 Howard Co. Mo. d. July 1918 bur. Salem Cem. > > Dau of Merril & Eliz. Williams." > > > > Does that help? > > Lynne :-) > > > > > > In a message dated 9/11/2002 1:44:35 PM Central Standard Time, > > Nana1543@aol.com writes: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > I'm sorry got behind on my mail and just saw your email today. > > > > > > Also, sorry I don't know which Mary J. Williams she is. I have she was > > > born > > > about 1837, and married Montraville Reynolds between 1877-1880. > > > > > > Sorry, wish I had more to share. > > > > > > > > >

If anyone gets their Padgett ancestors back to SC in the early 1700's, let me know. There are Huguenot Padgetts who intermarried with the Huguenot ancestors of mine. I spent several years chasing Huguenots in SC and when you get back to before 1725, they were a pretty close bunch. Elizabeth DuBois Russo [10th generation SC Huguenot DuBois descendant]

I use FTM and have 4 different files, paternal and maternal for myself and my husband, but what has really helped me stay organized is Clooz. This is an electronic filing cabinet where you can enter census information, death records, photos, etc. and can actually connect it to a digital file. I number each, say CEN1 for census record no. 1 and then store the hard copy in a large binder. I can then run a report on the individual person, the record in question, a family name etc. and see exactly what I do and don't have for the person. I also cross reference this information in my FTM program so I know exactly where the information came from. It has been a life saver for me. There is a web page that explains it much better than I can, just search for clooz. Cindy From: "Elizabeth DuBois Russo" <elizabethrusso@attbi.com> To: MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOHOWARD-L] How do you store and sort your data? Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 15:03:35 -0400 As there seem to be some serious data-collectors on this list, I'd like to pick your brains. What programs do you use, and why? I'm finding out Family TreeMaker's limitations for such ancestors as my Colden Williams. I've collected a lot of data which I'm now just storing in word processing documents because the amount of information goes well beyond FTM's "More about facts" and "Notes" sections. To access related facts quickly and make reports, I'm stuck with whatever I can put together with FTM. And my FTM database has gotten so large that it is really starting to bog down whenever I want to do some of the reports it is supposed to be able to generate. I've had to break down my database into sections so that I don't have much more than 10,000 individuals per file. Now I'm thinking I should break them down further into files with no more than 5,000 individuals. All together, I probably have more than 25,000 individuals among my various files. Some individuals have the bare facts; others have deeds, wills, estate records, census records, biographies, pictures, and more. I'm wondering if I should be using some other kind of database program. I want to be able to start seeing the migration patterns, timelines, religions, etc., more easily. I've heard of some standard database programs, and some specialized ones like Clooz. I've been told also I should switch to something like Master Genealogist. I've been with Family TreeMaker for the five years I've been doing this, and I haven't worked with a basic database program before. Recommendations?? Elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Thanks so much for checking that out. I was afraid that there was no marriage record in Jessamine County, KY. Not having a lot of experience in researching records from the early 1800's, I would be interested if anyone out there has any theories about the apparent lack of a marriage record in the "obvious" places. I have often wondered if the two families traveled to Missouri together from Kentucky and maybe John W. & Sally got married somewhere along the way. How likely do you think it is that they were married in some county between Jessamine KY and Howard MO, and if they were migrating westward, did people back then take the time to make it "legal," by stopping by the nearest county seat to file the marriage record? Maybe they never got legally married. . . but seeing as how they were strict Baptists, I find that hard to believe. The other option would be that their marriage record somehow got lost over time. My records indicate that their oldest child, William Morris, was born in 1824, and Sally was born in 1805, so even if she was only 16 when she got married, that would put their year of marriage around 1821, which is still after the Morris family came to Missouri in about 1819. This may be a stupid question but what does "Bo: Nathaniel Morris" mean (shown below in Hopey Morris marriage record)? I show that Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris had a daughter named Hopey/Hopi. There was a Hopi Morris who married Allen Evans on Nov. 25, 1841 in Howard County, MO, so it looks like she may have married a man in KY the first time then perhaps he died then she married the Evans after coming to MO. The strange thing is that the marriage record in MO shows her last name as "Morris" rather than "Smith," which I would have expected had she been a widow. Maybe there were two different Hopey Morrises. What is the "Alford Williams Account Book" that you referred to below? Is that some kind of journal that Alford Williams actually kept during his lifetime? Does it still exist and have you actually seen it? Thanks a lot for all your help. Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: <starr460@insightbb.com> To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > There is no marriage in Jessamine Co., Ky., for John Williams Morris s/o > Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris. I also checked the marriage records for the > adjoining counties of Fayette and Woodford as their home in Jessamine was near > the small town of Keene. > > The only early Morris Marriages: > Thomas H. Smith - Hopey Morris - 23 Dec 1818 returned 27 Dec 1818. Bo: Nathaniel > Morris. Grooms father was Humphrey Smith of Indiana. > Henry Morris -Nancy Boatman. 7 Sep 1813. Bo: William Boatman. Sally Boatman, > mother of the bride. > > Alford Williams and family were founding members of the Mount Pleasant Church at > Keene (still going strong - > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/3333/index.html) > > Minutes of Mt Pleasant - 1st Sat in August 1819 - At the request of Bro > Nathaniel Morris himself and wife and "too" daughters Elizabeth and Hopey are > granted letters of dismission. At the next meeting - Letters of dismission > granted to John Morris and Henry Trabue and sister Catherine Roper. The church > agreed to adjoin until tomorrow to inquire in the cause of Brother Roper (poor > Jesse Mims Roper - he seemed to be in and out of favor with this church). > > The above seems to indicate that John Morris did not have a wife when they left > Jessamine Co. > > Written in Alford Williams Account Book - "Alford Williams moved to Ky., 9 Sep > 1782 & he moved to Mo., 7 May 1819, where he died 17 Feb 1835 > He lived the Calvanist Faith for 40 years. At his death he had 70 grandchildren > & 76 great-great grandchildren" > > Nancy Williams b 28 Feb 1779, wife of Nathaniel Morris - was the 4th child of > Alford & Elizabeth Price Williams. It seems this family joined Mount Ararat > church in Howard Co., Mo. > > If anyone is interested in records from the bluegrass counties of Ky. I will try > to help. > > Searching for Alford and Elizabeth Price Williams and his many children (12) > > Anne > > > > > Beth Wilson wrote: > > > Found the probate for William Padgett, not sure it answers all your > > questions. The exact relationships are not given except for the widow. > > > > Howard County Probate Records > > > > Volume 2, page 160 > > November Term Court 1829 > > John W. Morris and Levan Evans, Adm. of the estate of William Padgett, dec. > > Hardin Padgett and Lucinda Padgett, over 14 yr., minors and heirs of William > > Padgett, dec. > > choose John W. Morris as their guardian. > > > > Volume 2, Page194 > > February Term Court 1830 > > Final Settlement for William Padgett, dec. > > Heirs: > > Widow, not named > > J.W. Morris, husband of Sally Padgett, one of heirs > > John Cunningham, husband of Delila Padgett. > > Mentions the 5 legatees, not all named. > > > > Volume 2, page 256 > > November Term Court 1830 > > John W. Morris guardian of the minor children of William Padgett, dec. > > presents accounts to the Court > > Money paid to: Hannah Padgett, widow of William; John and Delina Cunningham; > > Polly Padgett; John W. and Sally Morris; > > Money is due to Hardin and Lucinda Padgett. > > > > Beth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> > > To: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > > > > > Beth, > > > > > > This is totally awesome. One of the entries below is for my > > > gr-gr-gr-gr-grandparents (John W. & Sally Morris): > > > > > > Volume L, page 502 > > > 29 October 1832 > > > Padgett, William, dec. > > > Heirs: John and Delina Cunningham; John W. and Sally Morris; Polly > > Padgett. > > > > > > I have never been able to determine when or where they got married and I > > > also had questions about Sally's maiden name. I have seen her listed as > > > Sally Padgett Robb, daughter of Henry Robb, which made it seem like > > Padgett > > > was her middle name. That didn't really make sense to me, but from what > > you > > > have found, it seems like maybe she was the daughter of this William > > > Padgett, and maybe Polly Padgett was her mother (or unmarried sister ?). > > I > > > looked in the Howard County Cemetery Records Book and there are only 3 > > > Padgett entries listed, none of which are these. However, this is so long > > > ago that it is not surprising that there is no record of their burial - > > they > > > were undoubtedly buried on the family farm under a tree or in the middle > > of > > > a pasture and perhaps the graves were never even marked. > > > > > > John W. Morris is the son of Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris and the > > > grandson of Alfred & Elizabeth (Price) Williams. They came to Howard > > > County, MO from Jessamine County, KY around 1819. I have never found a > > > marriage record in Howard County for John W. & Sally, so I have often > > > wondered if they got married in Jessamine County before coming to MO? > > They > > > would have both been old enough to marry by 1819 so that is very possible. > > > I have not been able to research the marriage records from Jessamine > > County > > > to find anything on them. If you know of any special tips on how to best > > > find marriage information in KY I would appreciate it. I know Kentucky is > > > sort of like MO in that counties got merged and changed early on so it is > > > sometimes hard to pinpoint where the records are. > > > > > > Are you actually going thru the original records and finding this stuff or > > > is this on CD/Microfilm and you are just going thru it all for grins ? I > > > would be interested in finding out more about what you're doing and why. > > > Seems like you are always finding a lot of good information for people. I > > > also saw you refer to teaching a genealogy class - where do you do that? > > > > > > Thanks for this little tidbit. Write back when you have a chance! > > > > > > Patrick Phillips > > > 463 Hamilton Meadows Drive > > > Fenton, MO 63026 > > > >

Beth, I have found a Hardin Padgett buried in the Wesley Chapel Cemetery, according to the Howard County Cemetery Book. In the same cemetery, Delina Cunningham, wife of John, and a young son named Elbridge are also buried. I have also found more information in the History of Howard and Cooper Counties, 1883. William Padgett is listed as one of the early settlers of Prairie Township, Howard County. There is also a biography of John P. Cunningham, who was the son of John & Delina (Padgett) Cunningham. He was the cashier of the Howard County Bank in Glasgow at the time the biography was written. The elder John & Delina had 8 children according to this biography. It goes on to say that John & Delina went to California in 1850 during the gold rush and he died out there the following spring, which explains why he is not buried in Wesley Chapel Cemetery with his wife and young son. WOW !!! Thanks again for finding my Padgett ancestors! Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com>; "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > Found the probate for William Padgett, not sure it answers all your > questions. The exact relationships are not given except for the widow. > > Howard County Probate Records > > > Volume 2, page 160 > November Term Court 1829 > John W. Morris and Levan Evans, Adm. of the estate of William Padgett, dec. > Hardin Padgett and Lucinda Padgett, over 14 yr., minors and heirs of William > Padgett, dec. > choose John W. Morris as their guardian. > > > Volume 2, Page194 > February Term Court 1830 > Final Settlement for William Padgett, dec. > Heirs: > Widow, not named > J.W. Morris, husband of Sally Padgett, one of heirs > John Cunningham, husband of Delila Padgett. > Mentions the 5 legatees, not all named. > > Volume 2, page 256 > November Term Court 1830 > John W. Morris guardian of the minor children of William Padgett, dec. > presents accounts to the Court > Money paid to: Hannah Padgett, widow of William; John and Delina Cunningham; > Polly Padgett; John W. and Sally Morris; > Money is due to Hardin and Lucinda Padgett. > > Beth > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat & Julie Phillips" <pjphillips@socket.net> > To: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > > > > Beth, > > > > This is totally awesome. One of the entries below is for my > > gr-gr-gr-gr-grandparents (John W. & Sally Morris): > > > > Volume L, page 502 > > 29 October 1832 > > Padgett, William, dec. > > Heirs: John and Delina Cunningham; John W. and Sally Morris; Polly > Padgett. > > > > I have never been able to determine when or where they got married and I > > also had questions about Sally's maiden name. I have seen her listed as > > Sally Padgett Robb, daughter of Henry Robb, which made it seem like > Padgett > > was her middle name. That didn't really make sense to me, but from what > you > > have found, it seems like maybe she was the daughter of this William > > Padgett, and maybe Polly Padgett was her mother (or unmarried sister ?). > I > > looked in the Howard County Cemetery Records Book and there are only 3 > > Padgett entries listed, none of which are these. However, this is so long > > ago that it is not surprising that there is no record of their burial - > they > > were undoubtedly buried on the family farm under a tree or in the middle > of > > a pasture and perhaps the graves were never even marked. > > > > John W. Morris is the son of Nathaniel & Nancy Williams Morris and the > > grandson of Alfred & Elizabeth (Price) Williams. They came to Howard > > County, MO from Jessamine County, KY around 1819. I have never found a > > marriage record in Howard County for John W. & Sally, so I have often > > wondered if they got married in Jessamine County before coming to MO? > They > > would have both been old enough to marry by 1819 so that is very possible. > > I have not been able to research the marriage records from Jessamine > County > > to find anything on them. If you know of any special tips on how to best > > find marriage information in KY I would appreciate it. I know Kentucky is > > sort of like MO in that counties got merged and changed early on so it is > > sometimes hard to pinpoint where the records are. > > > > Are you actually going thru the original records and finding this stuff or > > is this on CD/Microfilm and you are just going thru it all for grins ? I > > would be interested in finding out more about what you're doing and why. > > Seems like you are always finding a lot of good information for people. I > > also saw you refer to teaching a genealogy class - where do you do that? > > > > Thanks for this little tidbit. Write back when you have a chance! > > > > Patrick Phillips > > 463 Hamilton Meadows Drive > > Fenton, MO 63026 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Beth Wilson" <beth@swilson.com> > > To: <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:01 AM > > Subject: [MOHOWARD-L] Misc. Families Found in Howard County Land Deeds > > > > > > > For all of you tired of Williams!! > > > > > > > > > Howard County Land Deeds > > > > > > Volume A, pages 26,27 > > > 6 October 1816 > > > Shelly, George, Sr., dec. > > > Daughters: Mary Coreathers(sp?); Susannah Menser; Sarah Shelly. > > > Sons: Daniel Shelly; Abraham Shelly; George Shelly; John Shelly. > > > > > > > > > Volume B, page 175, 176 > > > 19 April 1818 > > > Smith, Thomas, dec. Will. > > > Daughters; Anne Patterson; Sarah Smith; > > > Sons: Andrew Smith; Cornelius Smith; Robert Smith; Thomas Smith, dec.; > > > Granddaughters: Elizabeth Smith; Mahaley Smith; Susannah Smith. > > > Grandsons: John Smith; Woodson Smith. (All grandchildren except John are > > the > > > children of son Thomas.) > > > (John Smith is the son of Sarah Smith.) > > > > > > > > > Volume I, page 216 > > > 20 March 1826 > > > Winn, John, dec. > > > Widow: Elenor Winn > > > Daughters: Jemima Hurt, wife of Peyton; Mary Hurt, wife of William; > Sarah > > > Runyon, wife of Isaac. > > > Sons: James Winn, wife Rebecca; John Winn, wife Rebecca; Martin Winn; > > > William Winn, wife Milly. > > > > > > > > > Volume I, page 427, 428 > > > 21 March 1826 > > > Foster, James S., dec. > > > Widow: Margaret Foster > > > Daughters: Jane Foster; Permelia Foster; Nancy Foster. > > > Sons: George Foster; James S. Foster; Josiah Foster. > > > > > > > > > Volume K, page 477 > > > 9 August 1827 > > > Graham, Robert, dec. of Bourbon County, Kentucky > > > Brother-in-law: Charles Calloway of Howard County > > > Son: James Graham of Bourbon County > > > Daughters: Mary Graham; Matilday Graham; both of Bourbon County > > > > > > > > > Volume I, page 623 > > > 20 September 1828 > > > Temple, Margaret > > > Son: George W. Walker > > > Daughter: Frances W. Walker > > > > > > > > > Volume K, page 171 > > > 5 September 1829 > > > Jonathan Finnell > > > Daughter: Susannah Green, wife of William. > > > > > > > > > Volume K, page 198 > > > 29 October 1829 > > > Marriage contract between > > > William Tolson and Polly Smith > > > > > > > > > Volume P, page 40 > > > 9 November 1829 > > > Sarah Morin, wife of John. > > > Daughter: Mary Munro, wife of George of Cooper County. > > > > > > > > > Volume K, page 425 > > > 2 March 1830 > > > Patrick, Ann, widow of Robert > > > next marriage to Presley W. Halley > > > > > > > > > Volume K, page 327 > > > 7 June 1830 > > > Prewitt, Price, dec. > > > Widow: Martha A. Prewitt > > > Son: Asa Prewitt > > > Daughters: Ann Prewitt; Caroline Prewitt; Elvira Prewitt. > > > > > > > > > Volume K, page 388 > > > 21 October 1830 > > > Marriage agreement between > > > Thomas Reynolds of KY and Agness Stephenson of MO > > > > > > Volume L, page 39 > > > 26 April 1831 > > > Hardeman, John Lock > > > Father: John Hardeman, dec. of Cole County > > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 55 > > > 11 July 1831 > > > Gaw, John, dec. > > > Daughter: Barbary Ann Boggs, wife of Jas. C. > > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 91 > > > 11 October 1831 > > > Maupin, Garland D., dec. > > > Daughter: Tillitha Gates, wife of Jefferson > > > > > > > > > Volume N, page 300 > > > 31 May 1832 > > > Crigler, Christopher, dec. > > > Heirs in Howard County: Alexander and Jane Bradley; George Crigler; John > > and > > > Caty Wilhite; Adam C. and Eizabeth Woods. > > > Heirs in Madison County, Kentucky: Madison and Polly Colvin; John > Crigler, > > > Jr.; William G. and Frances McWilliams. > > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 417 > > > 6 October 1832 > > > Walker, John, dec. of New Madrid County > > > Heirs: Pamela Walker Martin; Federal Walker; Mary Walker; Thomas > Jefferson > > > Walker; all of Howard County. > > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 502 > > > 29 October 1832 > > > Padgett, William, dec. > > > Heirs: John and Delina Cunningham; John W. and Sally Morris; Polly > > Padgett. > > > > > > > > > Volume L, page 476 > > > 11 April 1833 > > > Marriage intention > > > Thomas Eddins and Elizabeth Harrison, widow of John > > > Children of John and Elizabeth Harrison: Joseph; Lucy; Mary; and > William. > > > > > > > > > Volume N, page 293 > > > 31 August 1833 > > > Robertson, James, dec. of Campbell County, VA > > > Daughters: Rachel P. Bell, wife of John M. of Chariton County; Rachel > > > Woodson, wife of Richard of Howard County. > > > > > > > > > Volume M, page 115 > > > 28 October 1833 > > > Lewis, Jedidah S., wife of Thomas, and daughter of Benjamin Whitehead. > > > Sons of Jedidah: William J. Lewis; Thomas H. Lewis; James W. Lewis; > > Benjamin > > > W. Lewis. > > > Daughters of Jedidah; Eliza Lewis; Sally S. Lewis. > > > > > > > > > Volume M, page 122 > > > 1 February 1834 > > > Simpson, Mary, wife of Joseph > > > New name is Mary Dobbin. > > > > > > > > > Volume M, page 383 > > > 25 March 1834 > > > Witt, Elisha B., dec. > > > Widow: Lydia Dykes, wife of Benjamin, of Clark County, KY. > > > Brother: Littleberry Witt and wife Fanny. > > > > > > Volume M, page 379 > > > 19 May 1834 > > > Witt, Elisha B., dec. > > > Sisters; Elizabeth Mize, wife of Joshua; Milly Rodgers, wife of Hiram; > > both > > > of Estill County, KY. > > > > > > > > > Volume M, page 374 > > > 18 December 1834 > > > Marriage Agreement > > > Benjamin Hays and Penelope Boon > > > > > > > > > Volume M, pages 418, 419 > > > 20 January 1835 > > > Cason, George > > > Daughters: Agness Howell, wife of James; Martha Howell, wife of William > > > > > > > > > Volume O, page 451 > > > 23 February 1837 > > > Marriage Agreement > > > James Dempsey and Mary Gibbs > > > > > > > > > Volume O, page 458 > > > 1 March 1837 > > > Prewitt, Joel > > > Daughters: Mary Ann Burton, wife of Wm. M.; Mary Ann Johnston. > > > > > > > > > Volume W, page 519 > > > 19 October 1837 > > > Gibbs, Churchill of Madison County, VA > > > Daughter: Cynthia Bohannon, wife of John R. > > > > > > > > > Beth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

There is a program called "Legacy" I believe, has anyone bought it? -----Original Message----- From: Sally Tomson <tomsons@foxinternet.net> To: MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com <MOHOWARD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 14, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [MOHOWARD-L] How do you store and sort your data? >I use FTM just because I started with it many years ago - DOS format, before >Windows. It was the first one out there. I break it down by family, and >when I get a lot of information about a line, I just make a chapter in the >book for that family out of it. That way, it is in the correct file, and I >can find it without having to remember what person's section I had it in. >This is good for large family photos as well. > >I have seen and am impressed with the Master Genealogist's reports and >organization, but I like using the more common software for sharing >purposes. >I use databases a lot for other stuff. They are good for organizing facts, >but a bit unwieldy for large amounts of data. >I just filled out a form for FTM in which they asked if I would like to be >able to export the material in database format. It was the only suggestion >on their list I gave a high rating to. I expect it will come. It is a good >idea. >I would like to have more data in one file - when people write with >questions they usually don't specify the file name (I ask them to) so I have >to guess, search, know the individual, or ignore the query. I must have >about 20 files now, some I use all the time and some I make up for persons >or publications which ask about only one line. It is awkward to import data >from one file into another. Looking for errors is a never-ending process in >that case. >My Missouri material, for instance, is three files - The Innes line, >Scotland straight to Fayette, mainly Louise Coutt's work (she doesn't use a >computer) The Rucker line (actually one for all Peter descendants and one >for my branch) from Virginia to Carroll County, and the Thomas line cut out >of it for the Thomas genealogists. My Guillets, Ruckers, and Thomases are >so completely intermingled that it is hard to know when I have material in >one file and not the other. This sounds awful to read it, but after I work >with it a while I get to know and enjoy the individual families. >There are probably better ways, but genealogy is hardly an exact science. > >Sally Tomson >Federal Way, Washington >http://web3.foxinternet.net/tomsons/ >

The very best program on the market is Reunion created by Leister but as far as I know it is still strictly for the Macintosh. It will do anything and I am still using a very old version with about 25,000 people in my files. Linda

I have Emmit F Fisher born 1873 Howard Co Mo and Lena May Fisher born 1879 Howard Co Mo parents Robert H and Eudolphia L Fisher..can anyone find out who these two people married...Thanks Benny and Mary McCune Cass Co Mo

I use FTM just because I started with it many years ago - DOS format, before Windows. It was the first one out there. I break it down by family, and when I get a lot of information about a line, I just make a chapter in the book for that family out of it. That way, it is in the correct file, and I can find it without having to remember what person's section I had it in. This is good for large family photos as well. I have seen and am impressed with the Master Genealogist's reports and organization, but I like using the more common software for sharing purposes. I use databases a lot for other stuff. They are good for organizing facts, but a bit unwieldy for large amounts of data. I just filled out a form for FTM in which they asked if I would like to be able to export the material in database format. It was the only suggestion on their list I gave a high rating to. I expect it will come. It is a good idea. I would like to have more data in one file - when people write with questions they usually don't specify the file name (I ask them to) so I have to guess, search, know the individual, or ignore the query. I must have about 20 files now, some I use all the time and some I make up for persons or publications which ask about only one line. It is awkward to import data from one file into another. Looking for errors is a never-ending process in that case. My Missouri material, for instance, is three files - The Innes line, Scotland straight to Fayette, mainly Louise Coutt's work (she doesn't use a computer) The Rucker line (actually one for all Peter descendants and one for my branch) from Virginia to Carroll County, and the Thomas line cut out of it for the Thomas genealogists. My Guillets, Ruckers, and Thomases are so completely intermingled that it is hard to know when I have material in one file and not the other. This sounds awful to read it, but after I work with it a while I get to know and enjoy the individual families. There are probably better ways, but genealogy is hardly an exact science. Sally Tomson Federal Way, Washington http://web3.foxinternet.net/tomsons/

As there seem to be some serious data-collectors on this list, I'd like to pick your brains. What programs do you use, and why? I'm finding out Family TreeMaker's limitations for such ancestors as my Colden Williams. I've collected a lot of data which I'm now just storing in word processing documents because the amount of information goes well beyond FTM's "More about facts" and "Notes" sections. To access related facts quickly and make reports, I'm stuck with whatever I can put together with FTM. And my FTM database has gotten so large that it is really starting to bog down whenever I want to do some of the reports it is supposed to be able to generate. I've had to break down my database into sections so that I don't have much more than 10,000 individuals per file. Now I'm thinking I should break them down further into files with no more than 5,000 individuals. All together, I probably have more than 25,000 individuals among my various files. Some individuals have the bare facts; others have deeds, wills, estate records, census records, biographies, pictures, and more. I'm wondering if I should be using some other kind of database program. I want to be able to start seeing the migration patterns, timelines, religions, etc., more easily. I've heard of some standard database programs, and some specialized ones like Clooz. I've been told also I should switch to something like Master Genealogist. I've been with Family TreeMaker for the five years I've been doing this, and I haven't worked with a basic database program before. Recommendations?? Elizabeth

Volume Z, page 61 13 May 1847 Littrell, Joseph, dec. Widow: Dulcibella(sp?) Littrell Daughters: Lancey Forest, wife of James; Elizabeth Botts, wife of Seth; Letha Lay, wife of Alfred; Mary McCully, wife of John; Lucinda Walden, wife of John; Jane Wolkskill, wife of George Sons: David and Sarah Littrell; Garrill and Sarah Littrell; George and Eliza Jane Littrell; James and Malvina Littrell; John W. and Ann Littrell; Joseph Littrell; Robert and Matilda Littrell. Volume X, page 321 28 September 1847 Johnston, Robert, dec. Previous husband of Mary Ann Burton, wife of William M. Burton. Volume Z, page 137 12 December 1847 Burroughs, George and Elizabeth Daughter: Sarah Elizabeth Rucker, wife of Jere_ Volume 1, page 267 26 February 1848 Walker, Nelly M. of Howard County New name Nelly M. Owsley, wife of Moses of Johnson County Nelly is the widow of Thomas J. Walker, dec. who is the brother of Federal Walker. Children of Thomas and Nelly: Federal; George Allen; Judah; Malinda; Sarah. Volume X, page 535 10 March 1848 Clark, Bennett H., dec. Widow: Crawford, Susan, wife of Hugh Volume Y, page 260 20 June 1848 Robinson, William M., dec. Widow: Jane C. Robinson Sons: Benjamin F.; John; William Henry. Daughters: Elizabeth; Margaret; Mary Amanda; Sarah Ann; Susan. Volume Z, page 443 11 September 1848 Elliott, Eliza Jane, wife of John of Macon County Previous name: Eliza Jane Myres Volume 3, page 98 10 October 1848 Scott, Samuel W., dec. Widow: Sarah Scott Son: Robert I. Scott Daughter: Sarah J. Dungan, wife of Jesse Volume Y, page 374 19 December 1848 Marriage Contract Elliott, Harrison S. and Ann E. Hunton. Volume Y, page 383 29 December 1848 Perry, Thomas Daughter: Amanda M. Taylor Volume Z, page 386 5 January 1849 Munro, William, dec. Son: John L. Munro Daughters: Susan Brashear, wife of Dennis; Rebecca Leveridge, wife of Reuben; Jerusha A. Munro; Ellen Tooley, wife of Charles P. . Volume Y, page 505 28 March 1849 Turner, James Daughter: Sally Ann Douthett, wife of Gree_ Volume 2, page 258 30 March 1849 Strange, Clara, wife of G.E.M. of Cooper County Previous name Clara Flourney(sp?) of Howard County Volume Z, page 112 11 April 1849 Thompson, Ephraim, dec. Daughters: Elizabeth Basey, wife of James E. of Boone County; Sally Scott, wife of Samuel W.; Rebecca Thornton, wife of Calvin of Boone County. Volume Y, page 483 21 April 1849 Patrick, Robert, dec. Relict: Ann Holly, wife of Prisley W. Holly. Volume Z, page 97 20 June 1849 Viley, Maria Previous name: Maria Payne. Volume Z, page 221 31 October 1849 James, William, dec. Sister: Hannah Clark, wife of Samuel, of Clinton County, KY Volume Z, page 282 15 January 1850 Hocker, Polly, dec. Sons: James; John; Thomas; William. Daughters: Mary; Nancy; Sarah. Polly Hocker, dec. is the daughter of Thomas Todd. Volume Z, page 527 19 January 1850 Owens, Philip, dec. Daughter: Amanda Shepherd, wife of Beverly of Boone County. Volume 1, page 22 15 June 1850 Shiflet, Nancy, wife of Wallis previous name: Nancy Stanley. Volume 4, page 106 25 July 1850 Blackwell, Mary E., wife of Jos. A. New husband: John Y. Sterne. Beth

Carolyn, You gave us the marriage date of Aug 1877 for John Thurman and Miss Brashear. Thanks again. From that I would gather that Cassandra Thurman was born sometime between 1878 and 1882. I have estimated her DOB as about 1881/1882 since family lore has it that she married at 13 and had her first child, Lilburn Brashear May on 22 Aug 1895. I do not have a DOB for her half-brother, Marvin Thurman, but he was supposed to be John Thurman's child by his first wife, so I would presume that he would have been born a few years prior to 1877. Anymore information anyone has on these people would be appreciated. Ruth Harbison

Volume W, page 251 18 June1846 Haden, Joel H. Daughter: Martha J. Shirley, wife of James A. Volume Z, page 33 9 September 1846 Marriage Contract Terrill, John of Howard County and Mary Terrill of Randolph County Witnesses: Edmund C. Terrill; Robert H. Terrill. Volume W, page 369 22 September 1846 Givens, Benjamin, dec. Daughter: Sally Patton, wife of Thomas W. of Williamson County, TN (Sally is the half-sister of James Given, dec. and Robert Given, dec., sons of Benjamin.) Volume Y, page 136 8 February 1847 Brannin, Margaret Daughter: Elizabeth Scott, dec. Volume 4, page 61 20 February 1847 Jordan, James D. Sister: Adaline Edwards Volume 4, page 18 20 February 1847 Jordan, James Dabney Sister: Francis E. Fisher Volume X, page 91 23 February 1847 Coy, Samuel, dec. Daughter: Lucinda Wharton, wife of Henry of Chariton County Volume X, page 206 17 April 1847 Marriage Agreement Canole, Charles and Nancy McKinney Son of Nancy: Alexander W. McKinney Daughters of Nancy: Martha L. McKinney; Zerelda McKinney. Beth