Hi Edith, Thanks for writing. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edith V. Fisher" <eqfgen7@ruralcom.net> To: <MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 5:15 PM Subject: [MOHenry] Ancestry > To the list. > I heartily agree that most of the records at Ancestry charge 'WAY TOO MUCH" > We are fortunate that Ancestry has stepped in to keep RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! Ancestry is continuing to do what RootsWeb previously did but in a different way. People who subscribe to the subscription databases now financially support the free resources of RootsWeb. I would like to continue to help genealogical researchers find their ancestors and without Ancestry/RootsWeb where would we be? I don't know about you but I use Ancestry/RootsWeb and the Internet to help others make connections as well as make connections myself. > Once about two years ago when they offered the "free for so many days" > offer, I took advantage of it. At that time you did not have to give a > credit card number, you just was able to check the records for so many days. > > I WILL NOT give a credit card number over the internet.. so I do not have > access to Ancestry records...... The few times I did have access to their > "for a fee" records, I did not find anything useful and feel it is way > overpriced. > I am a annual subscriber so I haven't tried their free trial. I am like you and prefer *not* to use a credit card online with my annual subscription. Last year they renewed my subscription with my credit card after I had asked them and they agreed *not to* and I had sent them a personal check in the mail. Needless to say I was upset! I have used a credit card a few times online and this last summer my credit card information was used by someone to purchase airline tickets. Fortunately my credit card company called to verify my purchase before authorizing. I seldom fly and the tickets were purchased out West where I hadn't had any charges. I feel very fortunate to have a very good credit card company that caught this. Ancestry has worked with me to avoid a credit card but their system is set-up for them. We are probably in the minority in this day and age but I feel that it is very important for people like you & I to voice our views and preferences. Please let them know you are interested in trying their trial offer without the use of a credit card. I believe they will allow you to do this. You may have to do this using their 800 phone no. 1-800 Ancestry. Please let me know of the results should you decide to do this. > I have been told that a lot of people do find a lot of information they can > use on there so " go for it" > I know very little about my McManness family surname. You won't see the McManness surname very often. However, it was at Ancestry that I was able to discover some key information that I am in hopes leads me to make some great discoveries! > I have found a lot of connecting researchers on Rootsweb tho and hope to > continue to do so. > We are fortunate that Ancestry has stepped in to keep RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! Ancestry is continuing to do what RootsWeb previously did but in a different way. People who subscribe to the subscription databases now financially support the free resources of RootsWeb. I would like to continue to help genealogical researchers find their ancestors and without Ancestry/RootsWeb where would we be? I don't know about you but I use Ancestry/RootsWeb and the Internet to help others make connections as well as make connections myself. > >From the SHOW ME STATE... [snip] I was born in MO and will always be a "SHOW ME." However, as my signature file indicates, I have been transplanted and am now a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. We can make it work! :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks ************************* > ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb's Interactive Guide to Tracing Family Trees: > > A guide how to use the Web to begin - or expand - the search for your family history. A fun and easy way to research your roots using online resources for the beginning to intermediate user. Brief lessons are designed for interactive use. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~rwguide/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238 > >

Hi Michelle, Thanks for writing. Kind words like yours make my efforts worthwhile. :-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark J. Stangohr" <m.stangohr@worldnet.att.net> To: <MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 3:50 PM Subject: RE: [MOHenry] [admin] RootsWeb / Ancestry Explanation > Michael, > I appreciate your position regarding the support of Ancestry and I would hate to see RootsWeb discontiued, but I have to express my frustration everytime I want to see information from a 'public' record I am asked to pay for it. In addition Ancestry asks you for $$ from you, even though you can't be sure you will ever find a single ancestor from their records. Many people can't afford their fees. I spend many hours online researching, and I do find some free places, but as you stated, they are slowly declining. I just feel that it is unethical for one place to monopolize data and sell it to the people who have the right to know about their ancestors in the first place. >Again I do appreciate your position and your work, you do a great job at MOHENRY. Thanks for letting me express myself [snip] I understand your frustration. Genealogy research is *not* inexpensive. Ancestry provides an online convenience. Many people *can't* afford their fees. There are *no* guarantees, whether you are searching Ancestry online or otherwise searching for and collecting information at Cemeteries, Court Houses, Libraries, or other Archival Repositories. I feel that it is unfair to claim that Ancestry is unethical or tries to monopolize data or information. Ancestry did purchase RootsWeb and if that is what you are referring to as monopolize then I think it is only fair that we realize that RootsWeb would have probably disappeared or changed drastically without Ancestry. There are other online subscription databases. It is probably too expensive an endeavor for there to ever be very much competition. I would encourage everyone to support online research information. We are fortunate that Ancestry has stepped in to keep RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! Ancestry is continuing to do what RootsWeb previously did but in a different way. People who subscribe to the subscription databases now financially support the free resources of RootsWeb. I would like to continue to help genealogical researchers find their ancestors and without Ancestry/RootsWeb where would we be? I don't know about you but I use Ancestry/RootsWeb and the Internet to help others make connections as well as make connections myself. Once again, I want to thank you and let you know that kind words like yours make my efforts worthwhile. :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks ************************* > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael G. McManness [SMTP:mmcmanness@mindspring.com] > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:55 AM > To: MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MOHenry] [admin] RootsWeb / Ancestry Explanation > > Hi Everyone, > > Volunteer contributions did *not* support RootsWeb well > enough for it to remain viable. Ancestry purchased RootsWeb. RootsWeb > remains a free volunteer effort. Ancestry is subscription or pay for use. > You will see further consolidation of the two where they overlap in the > future such as the merger of RootsWeb's GenConnect & Ancestry's Family > History > Message Boards and RootsWeb's WorldConnect & Ancestry's WorldTree > Family Trees. These features have been improved and remain free to > researchers. > Ancestry is trying to make this merger work while still showing a profit. > There is less > and less that is "free" left on the Internet. Everyone knows that the > bottom line is > showing a profit. It is important as RootsWeb users that we try to support > Ancestry > to help RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers > available to > researchers! I can't predict the future but I can tell you that however > Ancestry goes > so will RootsWeb. > > I hope this explanation helps. If you have problems or further questions > please let me know. :-)) Thanks again, Mike > > ************************* > > Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and > bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist > and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, > but it is made in > the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks > > ************************* > > > ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== > Share Your Family History > > The primary purpose and function of RootsWeb is to connect people so that they can help each other and share genealogical research. Most resources on RootsWeb are designed to facilitate such connections. > > "But where do I begin?" That question is often asked by new users when faced with all the options available at RootsWeb. The best ways for you to connect to others on RootsWeb are to make it easy for others to find you, ask for help, and give others help. This page will give you a brief overview of the many resources available at RootsWeb; and areas where you will want to contribute as your own research progresses. > > Your contributions to RootsWeb make the MOHENRY Mail List possible. > http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== > Would you like to check for information in the Archives? > > RootsWeb Threaded Mailing List Archive: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/list-index.html > > RootsWeb Interactive Search of Mailing List Archive: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Terry, Thanks for writing. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tlkanago@cs.com> To: <MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [MOHenry] [admin] RootsWeb / Ancestry Explanation > >I appreciate your position regarding the support of Ancestry and I would > hate to >see RootsWeb discontiued, but I have to express my frustration > everytime I want >to see information from a 'public' record I am asked to pay > for it. In addition >Ancestry asks you for $$ from you, even though you > can't be sure you will ever >find a single ancestor from their records. Many > people can't afford their fees. > I understand your frustration. Genealogy research is *not* inexpensive. Ancestry provides an online convenience. Many people *can't* afford their fees. There are *no* guarantees, whether you are searching Ancestry online or otherwise searching for and collecting information at Cemeteries, Court Houses, Libraries, or other Archival Repositories. > I have to agree with Michelle. I currently have a membership on Ancestry, > and even paid the extra for the Images Online, and when everything works it's > a decent deal for me. But right now their service leaves much to be desired. > The issue I'm fighting right now is on the census images -- EVERY SINGLE > county and year that I need, half or more of the images are missing or > broken. So I've paid all this money for something that is worthless to me. > They say they're going to fix it, but in the meantime, I don't hear any > mention of pro-rating the cost to current members for all the time the > services are not available. I'm very frustrated. [snip] The Ancestry Census Images Online are new and they are being improved but there are a few wrinkles that need to be ironed out. If people will just be patient. There is tremendous overhead to provide this service. I contribute to the Ancestry Census Images Online to help make or have this resource readily available online. There have been other endeavors to provide census images online. I am not aware of any that have thus far been successful? I feel that the new Ancestry Census Images Online will someday become something that we are all very proud of and wouldn't think of doing without! We are fortunate that Ancestry has stepped in to keep RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! I would like to continue to help genealogical researchers find their ancestors and without Ancestry/RootsWeb where would we be? I don't know about you but I use Ancestry/RootsWeb and the Internet to help others make connections as well as make connections myself. :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks ************************* > ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== > Make a Connection - Helpful Web sites for Mailing Lists & Message Boards > > Genealogy Resources on the Internet, Mailing Lists: > http://users.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html > > User Mailing Lists hosted by RootsWeb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ > > RootsWeb Message Boards > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=main&r=rw > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

I wish to apologize to the entire list and to the list admin for getting carried away in what is a senseless arguement and dragging the whole list into something that has absolutely nothing to do with the purpose for this list. Some days it is better not to get out of bed rather than make a public spectacle of yourself and those around you by keeping such a thing going. Lainee Denton http://www.angelfire.com/tn2/GrannysPlace/ http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/users/d/e/n/Elaine-Denton _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Lynda, While I do not disagree with you at all, I, myself, have two different genealogy places on the net. I do not charge for anything that is on those pages. Any and all information I have is FREELY given no matter the cost to me. I have volunteered for numerous projects, on and off the web. Going out and taking my time and my gas to do for others what I can't do for myself because the families I am searching are hundreds of miles from here. I do not charge for my time and my gas to go do these things. All the while, hoping that somewhere, somehow, down the line that someone will return the favor someday and help me in return, because I CAN'T afford to pay for any of the things that it takes to get my research done. I don't mind that Ancestry.com charges. What I do mind is the fact they have these so-called "freebies" for 14 days that gives you access to ALL their databases. It is NOT free when I have to have a credit card to sign up for the "freebie" and then it takes forever to get unsubscribed and they charge you credit card because you can't get unsubscribed and are "using" their services beyond the 14 days, when I have been too busy trying to unsubscribe to go to the site and use the services! Been there done that! Only it wasn't a credit card it was a debit card and taken directly out of my account! Therefore it isn't a free 14 day trial. This is my big beef with Ancestry.com! Lainee Denton http://www.angelfire.com/tn2/GrannysPlace/ http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/users/d/e/n/Elaine-Denton ----Original Message Follows---- From: Lynda Monnig <cupido@cchat.com> To: MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOHenry] Rootsweb/Ancestry Explanation Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 12:13:24 -0500 I have never responded to comments on this list, however the messages regarding "free" genealogy prompted me two throw in my two cents. I have been tracing my family trees for over 20 years. I can remember a time when I spent hours at the courthouses, LDS library, National Archives, etc going through microfilm, fiche and dusty books looking for records of my ancestors. I spent "money" for gasoline, parking, babysitters, photocopies, food, postage, etc. When genealogy reserach hit the internet I was thrilled. With a few clicks of the keyboard there was the possiblility of asking another researcher a question and getting a reply in minutes instead of weeks. The internet's greatest genealogical assets were the USGenWeb project and Rootsweb. Information at these sites was free, but that does not mean that they didn't have a price. Someone had to pay for the computer equipment, servers, and internet access. Volunteers that transcribed records had to pay for many of the fiche's, microfilm, books, etc out of their own pocket. I ask myself, how grateful am I to all the people who have contributed to this effort? The answer is VERY! So what! Grateful and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee. What do you and I give back to keep genealogy "free". Ask yourselves, what have I contributed? Have I transcribed any "public" records and donated them to the USGenWeb or other free genealogical site? Have I created and maintained a free web site on the internet for other researchers? If the answer is "no" then shame on you and shame on me. We take, but we don't give. If we want public information to stay free, then we all have an obligation to contribute. The alternatives are to get in our cars and drive where ever there is a record we need and dig it out for ourselves, buy or rent that roll of microfilm (don't forget the reader) and spend hours searching for that one ancestor on poor quality film just to find out later that he moved from that county a month earlier. No, not me. Been there, done that. I'll gladly pay for a copy of a will I saw indexed online and when it arrives, transcribe it, and donate to the online community. But I expect everyone else to do the same thing. Do you? As for Ancestry.com! I too have a regular membership, plus the census images subscription. Perhaps it is the increase in subscribers, but there has been a major problem in the area of online census images, i.e.broken links, records not available or the server is very slow in responding. I have written my share of e-mails complaining of the problems. And I do think they have an obligation to compensate in some manner the subscribers. I guess if I get real unhappy I can cancel my subscription and wait for them to get things better organized. Happy hunting! Lynda ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== Going to be Gone? There is not a formal no-mail mode. Unsubscribe when you want the messages to stop. Subscribe when you want to start again. 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To the list. I heartily agree that most of the records at Ancestry charge 'WAY TOO MUCH" . Once about two years ago when they offered the "free for so many days" offer, I took advantage of it. At that time you did not have to give a credit card number, you just was able to check the records for so many days. I WILL NOT give a credit card number over the internet.. so I do not have access to Ancestry records...... The few times I did have access to their "for a fee" records, I did not find anything useful and feel it is way overpriced. I have been told that a lot of people do find a lot of information they can use on there so " go for it" I have found a lot of connecting researchers on Rootsweb tho and hope to continue to do so. >From the SHOW ME STATE... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.295 / Virus Database: 159 - Release Date: 11/1/01

I have never responded to comments on this list, however the messages regarding "free" genealogy prompted me two throw in my two cents. I have been tracing my family trees for over 20 years. I can remember a time when I spent hours at the courthouses, LDS library, National Archives, etc going through microfilm, fiche and dusty books looking for records of my ancestors. I spent "money" for gasoline, parking, babysitters, photocopies, food, postage, etc. When genealogy reserach hit the internet I was thrilled. With a few clicks of the keyboard there was the possiblility of asking another researcher a question and getting a reply in minutes instead of weeks. The internet's greatest genealogical assets were the USGenWeb project and Rootsweb. Information at these sites was free, but that does not mean that they didn't have a price. Someone had to pay for the computer equipment, servers, and internet access. Volunteers that transcribed records had to pay for many of the fiche's, microfilm, books, etc out of their own pocket. I ask myself, how grateful am I to all the people who have contributed to this effort? The answer is VERY! So what! Grateful and a dollar will buy me a cup of coffee. What do you and I give back to keep genealogy "free". Ask yourselves, what have I contributed? Have I transcribed any "public" records and donated them to the USGenWeb or other free genealogical site? Have I created and maintained a free web site on the internet for other researchers? If the answer is "no" then shame on you and shame on me. We take, but we don't give. If we want public information to stay free, then we all have an obligation to contribute. The alternatives are to get in our cars and drive where ever there is a record we need and dig it out for ourselves, buy or rent that roll of microfilm (don't forget the reader) and spend hours searching for that one ancestor on poor quality film just to find out later that he moved from that county a month earlier. No, not me. Been there, done that. I'll gladly pay for a copy of a will I saw indexed online and when it arrives, transcribe it, and donate to the online community. But I expect everyone else to do the same thing. Do you? As for Ancestry.com! I too have a regular membership, plus the census images subscription. Perhaps it is the increase in subscribers, but there has been a major problem in the area of online census images, i.e.broken links, records not available or the server is very slow in responding. I have written my share of e-mails complaining of the problems. And I do think they have an obligation to compensate in some manner the subscribers. I guess if I get real unhappy I can cancel my subscription and wait for them to get things better organized. Happy hunting! Lynda

I dont know if anyone else has noticed this --> I have put names into ancestry census that I know should come up and they DONT . I have tried several names and different spellings .... is very strange ... if they have ALL the census in there then my names should show up . Has anyone else noticed this ? sheri

Michelle, I couldn't agree with you more. Sure, Ancestry does offer "freebies" once in a while, but you need a credit card to sign up for that and then it is next to impossible to cancel it before it gets on your card. I, for one, have never paid for anything relating to my genealogy, with the exception of 3 social security applications and those were all before the prices went up back during the summer. I am one of those people that simply can't afford the fees. Just wanted to show you my support for free genealogy also, Lainee Denton http://www.angelfire.com/tn2/GrannysPlace/ http://www.genealogy.com/genealogy/users/d/e/n/Elaine-Denton ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Mark J. Stangohr" <m.stangohr@worldnet.att.net> To: MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MOHenry] [admin] RootsWeb / Ancestry Explanation Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:50:15 -0800 Michael, I appreciate your position regarding the support of Ancestry and I would hate to see RootsWeb discontiued, but I have to express my frustration everytime I want to see information from a 'public' record I am asked to pay for it. In addition Ancestry asks you for $$ from you, even though you can't be sure you will ever find a single ancestor from their records. Many people can't afford their fees. I spend many hours online researching, and I do find some free places, but as you stated, they are slowly declining. I just feel that it is unethical for one place to monopolize data and sell it to the people who have the right to know about their ancestors in the first place. Again I do appreciate your position and your work, you do a great job at MOHENRY. Thanks for letting me express myself Sincerely, Michelle -----Original Message----- From: Michael G. McManness [SMTP:mmcmanness@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:55 AM To: MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOHenry] [admin] RootsWeb / Ancestry Explanation Hi Everyone, Volunteer contributions did *not* support RootsWeb well enough for it to remain viable. Ancestry purchased RootsWeb. RootsWeb remains a free volunteer effort. Ancestry is subscription or pay for use. You will see further consolidation of the two where they overlap in the future such as the merger of RootsWeb's GenConnect & Ancestry's Family History Message Boards and RootsWeb's WorldConnect & Ancestry's WorldTree Family Trees. These features have been improved and remain free to researchers. Ancestry is trying to make this merger work while still showing a profit. There is less and less that is "free" left on the Internet. Everyone knows that the bottom line is showing a profit. It is important as RootsWeb users that we try to support Ancestry to help RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! I can't predict the future but I can tell you that however Ancestry goes so will RootsWeb. I hope this explanation helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know. :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks ************************* ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== Share Your Family History The primary purpose and function of RootsWeb is to connect people so that they can help each other and share genealogical research. Most resources on RootsWeb are designed to facilitate such connections. "But where do I begin?" That question is often asked by new users when faced with all the options available at RootsWeb. The best ways for you to connect to others on RootsWeb are to make it easy for others to find you, ask for help, and give others help. This page will give you a brief overview of the many resources available at RootsWeb; and areas where you will want to contribute as your own research progresses. Your contributions to RootsWeb make the MOHENRY Mail List possible. http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== Would you like to check for information in the Archives? RootsWeb Threaded Mailing List Archive: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/list-index.html RootsWeb Interactive Search of Mailing List Archive: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I don't have much information on the THRUSH family that moved to Missouri. I believe they are descendants of Jacob and this would have been in early 1800s. Some came to Carthage, MO. I have information on those who stayed in Ohio and Michigan.

>I appreciate your position regarding the support of Ancestry and I would hate to >see RootsWeb discontiued, but I have to express my frustration everytime I want >to see information from a 'public' record I am asked to pay for it. In addition >Ancestry asks you for $$ from you, even though you can't be sure you will ever >find a single ancestor from their records. Many people can't afford their fees. I have to agree with Michelle. I currently have a membership on Ancestry, and even paid the extra for the Images Online, and when everything works it's a decent deal for me. But right now their service leaves much to be desired. The issue I'm fighting right now is on the census images -- EVERY SINGLE county and year that I need, half or more of the images are missing or broken. So I've paid all this money for something that is worthless to me. They say they're going to fix it, but in the meantime, I don't hear any mention of pro-rating the cost to current members for all the time the services are not available. I'm very frustrated. Terry Kanago Spokane, WA

Michael, I appreciate your position regarding the support of Ancestry and I would hate to see RootsWeb discontiued, but I have to express my frustration everytime I want to see information from a 'public' record I am asked to pay for it. In addition Ancestry asks you for $$ from you, even though you can't be sure you will ever find a single ancestor from their records. Many people can't afford their fees. I spend many hours online researching, and I do find some free places, but as you stated, they are slowly declining. I just feel that it is unethical for one place to monopolize data and sell it to the people who have the right to know about their ancestors in the first place. Again I do appreciate your position and your work, you do a great job at MOHENRY. Thanks for letting me express myself Sincerely, Michelle -----Original Message----- From: Michael G. McManness [SMTP:mmcmanness@mindspring.com] Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 6:55 AM To: MOHENRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MOHenry] [admin] RootsWeb / Ancestry Explanation Hi Everyone, Volunteer contributions did *not* support RootsWeb well enough for it to remain viable. Ancestry purchased RootsWeb. RootsWeb remains a free volunteer effort. Ancestry is subscription or pay for use. You will see further consolidation of the two where they overlap in the future such as the merger of RootsWeb's GenConnect & Ancestry's Family History Message Boards and RootsWeb's WorldConnect & Ancestry's WorldTree Family Trees. These features have been improved and remain free to researchers. Ancestry is trying to make this merger work while still showing a profit. There is less and less that is "free" left on the Internet. Everyone knows that the bottom line is showing a profit. It is important as RootsWeb users that we try to support Ancestry to help RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! I can't predict the future but I can tell you that however Ancestry goes so will RootsWeb. I hope this explanation helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know. :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks ************************* ==== MOHENRY Mailing List ==== Share Your Family History The primary purpose and function of RootsWeb is to connect people so that they can help each other and share genealogical research. Most resources on RootsWeb are designed to facilitate such connections. "But where do I begin?" That question is often asked by new users when faced with all the options available at RootsWeb. The best ways for you to connect to others on RootsWeb are to make it easy for others to find you, ask for help, and give others help. This page will give you a brief overview of the many resources available at RootsWeb; and areas where you will want to contribute as your own research progresses. Your contributions to RootsWeb make the MOHENRY Mail List possible. http://searches.rootsweb.com/share.html ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Hi Everyone, Volunteer contributions did *not* support RootsWeb well enough for it to remain viable. Ancestry purchased RootsWeb. RootsWeb remains a free volunteer effort. Ancestry is subscription or pay for use. You will see further consolidation of the two where they overlap in the future such as the merger of RootsWeb's GenConnect & Ancestry's Family History Message Boards and RootsWeb's WorldConnect & Ancestry's WorldTree Family Trees. These features have been improved and remain free to researchers. Ancestry is trying to make this merger work while still showing a profit. There is less and less that is "free" left on the Internet. Everyone knows that the bottom line is showing a profit. It is important as RootsWeb users that we try to support Ancestry to help RootsWeb and it's concept of free genealogy aided by volunteers available to researchers! I can't predict the future but I can tell you that however Ancestry goes so will RootsWeb. I hope this explanation helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know. :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, GENEALOGY IN THE NEWS Congress Probes Death Data Privacy The practice of public access to the Social Security Administration Death Master File is getting a closer look now that investigators determined that all 19 terrorist hijackers had Social Security numbers. The Washington Post, November 8, 2001. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61215-2001Nov8.html ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, I have copied a portion of Message Board Help that I hope answers any questions. At the bottom of the Message Board you will find: Request New Board | Message Board Rules | Message Board FAQ | Message Board Help Post/Reply Help If you are not already a registered Ancestry.com user, you must register before posting a message for the first time. Click here to register now. Once registered, you must log in before posting to the boards using the username and password you established for your account. Click here to login now. Click on 'Post Message' to post a new message on any board. If you are viewing a message on a board, you can choose between posting a new message or posting a reply to the message you are viewing. If you elect to post a reply it will be 'threaded' with the message to which you are replying. Threading means that responses are grouped with the original message rather than standing alone. Posting a response as opposed to an original message also means that if the previous posters in the thread have elected to receive e-mail notification of responses (the default setting) they will be notified of your reply. Subject Box: When you choose a subject you should try to be as concise as possible, but try to cover the basics of who, when, and where. For example, if you are posting a query about John Smith who was born in 1832 in Pittsburgh, PA an informative subject line would be exactly that: "John SMITH, born 1832, Pittsburgh, PA." Never use all purpose, non-informative, subject lines such as: "searching," "looking," "genealogy," "family search." Remember that everyone using these boards is searching and looking for their ancestors. Ask yourself if the subject you have posted will help others to understand the topic of your query. If the answer is YES you have chosen an informative subject line. Surname Box: Only surnames (last names) should be listed in the Surname Box, and each should be separated by a comma. The Surname Box is used to index the surnames in your message and is not to be used for listing surnames not included in the message text. Categories (drop down menu): Use this menu to select from a list of data types. Data categories (non-query) should only be selected when you are posting actual data and not queries about data. For example, a query about a will is still a query. The menu item for wills should not be selected for queries. Also see: Message Board FAQ for tips on posting an effective message. Preview, Edit, and Post Message Help After you have composed your message and completed all required items, you can select either the 'Post Message' button (if you are absolutely certain that the message is exactly as you wish to post it), or the 'Preview Message' button if you would like to view the message as it will appear on the board BEFORE it is actually posted. The preview screen allows you to select from 'Edit Message' or 'Post Message' buttons. Use the 'Edit Message' button (and not your browser's "back" button) to edit the message if necessary prior to finally selecting the 'Post Message' button which will post the message on the board. Printing a Message Help While viewing a message, click on 'Print Message' to view a printer friendly text version of that message. Click on your browser's print icon, or follow your usual print procedure, to print the message. Use the 'Return to Message' link to return to the message in the normal display. For additional information, see Message Board FAQ. I hope this further information helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know. :-)) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, Thanks to Jeffery G. Scism <ScismGenie@aol.com> There is a Web-based genealogist, her name is Sarah N. Dippity. She has a knack in solving mysteries, and she does it without even knowing YOU are looking. You look for years without finding ANYTHING, and she just drops a note into your mail with the RIGHT piece of information. She doesn't answer e-mail though. Scism is the flockmaster of International Black Sheep Society of Genealogists http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, The creative genius and sharing spirit of so many who create Web sites hosted by RootsWeb are exemplified in the Merrick County, Nebraska pages. Under its "Online Resources" section one finds "The Funs of the Pioneers," as remembered by Frank McConnell. Here are tales about things other than the hardships and sad events the pioneers endured. They had fun, too. Don't miss "Bill and the Widow." It begins . . . "Wife," said Ed Wilbur one morning as he sat stirring his coffee with one hand and holding a plum cake on his knee with the other and looking across the table into the bright eyes of his neat little wife, "Wouldn't it be a good joke to get bachelor Bill Smiley to take Widow Watson to Barnum's show next week?" http://www.rootsweb.com/~nemerric/olres/funs/FOP.htm I hope this information helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know. :-) Thanks, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, For the first time, all available images of the entire United States federal census for the census years from 1790 to 1920 are on the Web, exclusively at Ancestry.com. The collection includes more than 425 million names on 10 million images. This completes the posting of images with the exception of some illegible scans, which represent only a fraction of a percent of the individual enumerations. These pages are currently being re- scanned for quality and will be posted as they become available. The 1790-1830 censuses have searchable indexes and are browsable. The 1840-1880 and 1900-1920 censuses are currently browsable with head of household indexes for them currently in production. http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/ais/main.htm Also available is the one-of-a-kind 1890 federal census substitute. Fragments of this census that survived the 1921 fire are online with additional state and city directories to provide you with the best coverage available for this time period. More information about the 1890 federal census substitute is at: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/1890sub/main.htm The Census Images Online collection is invaluable for family historians who are researching their American roots. It enables Ancestry.com subscribers to view original census images from the comfort of home -- easily and effectively. Subscribe to Ancestry.com's Images Online: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribeplanstx.asp?sourcecode=481 For more information: http://www.ancestry.com/search/io/main.htm I hope this information helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know. :-) Thanks, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, GOBBLE UP! For a special Thanksgiving story to share with your family discover "Mom and the Turkey." http://www.petuniapress.com/turkey3.htm ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************

Hi Everyone, The Message Board is set up so that any messages posted will be forwarded to this Maillist. You will know that it is a Message Board posting because it will start with this line: "This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list." Later in the message it will give you a URL to click on for seeing the original post and where you can post a reply. Posting a reply to the Maillist will *not* benefit the original author of the Message Board post as chances are, they may not be subscribed to this Maillist. Also by posting your response to the Message Board, a copy of your answer will be sent to the Maillist (so you don't have to do it yourself). In addition, your reply is posted to the Message Board so that other people may contact you in regard to your reply. This provides maximum exposure to make connections and simply enhances the Maillist. The Message Boards are designed to work in conjunction with this Mailing List. As a Maillist subscriber I can share my personal circumstances with you. My time is limited as are other peoples. I have obtained a great deal of information on my family history and like to share it with others. If I have to choose between one medium or the other the Message Boards are going to win because your post gets greater exposure for a longer period of time. My goal is to make one post that goes to the Message Boards that is gatewayed to the Maillist that gets archived. You've heard the old expression of killing two birds with one stone. This provides maximum exposure to make connections and simply enhances the Maillist. My goal is to assist researchers by making their online research as easy as possible. I hope this information helps. If you have problems or further questions please let me know by contacting me at mmcmanness@mindspring.com. Since I Admin several Message Boards and Maillists, please identify which Message Board or Maillist that you are referring to so that I can give you a specific answer (with URLs if necessary). Thank you. :-) Thanks again, Mike ************************* Michael G. McManness, a Jayhawk through and through, eating, sleeping, and bleeding Crimson and Blue near the University of Kansas. Family genealogist and research historian. "Character may be manifested in the great moments, but it is made in the small ones." --- Phillip Brooks *************************