Robin,, TJ and anyone who is interested in these Families I haven't heard from you, Robin, as yet and sent you several messages. I have more now on proof of Louisa Rooks ma to Joseph ( who also is Joel Boring also the children from 1850 - 1880 censuses as below. Also who Joseph's(Joel)'s) parents are. All same person. I surmise that Louisa had told her ch or some in family about her mother's name as Smithson and somehow they got it remembered as Smith for Louisa.. Therefore whoever started on doing the genealogy remembered ( or some family member did), Louisa's last name as Smith. Then whhoever did the Genealogy looked for a Smith with a child by name of Louisa and picked up that line of Smiths. I have tried to find a marriage lic for a Louisa Smith and Joel or Joeph Boring and none anywhere. Also if we now go into Land records and maybe some early in their marriage, church records it may have Louisa's maiden name as well as Rooks. Anyway we are determined to establish which is correct on this Louisa. Note the children's names. . Also the William Boring 19 on 1880 census may be the same person as Calvin as William Calvin or Calvin William Boring. The other names also can be the middle or real first name on the child. We also have established that the Elizabeth was Louisa's middle name as it was told in my family that she was named after her granmother. THus the Elizabeth on 1860 census just after they married 22 Feb 1860. Also the Arminta on 1870 census is the same person as Lara which probably is her middle name and may should have been spelled as Laura.?? Al these children are in the Gen that I was sent a copy of from several that have Louisa as Smith and not Rooks. Wuth all this plus I have a copy of original Mar Lic. of Joseph and Louisa and also from IGI in Family Histoey Center of EXTRACTED Births of Clinton Co Oh, listing Ida 's birth ate and parents names as Louisa Rooks and Joseph Boring. We are going to search any possible church records in Grundy Co Mo or Clinton Co Oh as she was born in Clinton Co Oh. and see if a baptism or so is there with it to prove it. Her dad. William Rooks's mother was Elizabeth Jackson mar Joseph Rooks. There is the granmother named after. I would like to hear from you so we can further substantiate this quite possible mistake. and know that you did get my other messages. I am also looking for more imfo with Butler Gen.. Do you happen to have any.? T J Shumacker is a Genealogist and lives close to, within several hrs drive into Ohio and plans on going there in a few days or so to check more at these places Ida lived etc. Also Louisa had a bro named Harrison Rooks and he also was in Clinton Co Oh and in civil war 1961/2. Also I think I found where he may have died close to where Louisa and Joel lived in early 1900's. I will let you know more when I get it. Maxine In Roy Wa. mmwaw@sprynet.com -----Original Message----- From: TJ Shumaker <tshu@pennswoods.net> To: Maxine Wilton <mmwaw@sprynet.com> Date: Sunday, May 19, 2002 9:37 AM Subject: Joel/Joseph Well - we now have Joel on the 1870 Census as Joseph and all the Kids documented. . . 1850 Census, Green Twp., Clinton Co., OH. for Sarah "Ricks" Boring - Sarah Boring 38, Mary 15, Elizabeth 14, Joel 10 (Joel is listed as a Female ???), Nancy 7 - All born in Ohio and living next door to Thomas Boring and Lafayette Boring. 1860 Census Greene Twp, Clinton CO., OH shows Joel Boring 20, Eliza 21 andh Joels sister Nancy 17 1870 Census Greene Twp., Clinton Co., OH shows Joseph Boring 33 farmer, Louisa 30, Calvin 9, Clara 7, Arminta 5 and Sarah 2 1880 census Greene Twp, Ohio. Joel Boring farmer, head of home, mar 40 yrs b Oh.,fa b Va mo b Oh. Louisa Boring heeping housie, wife 40 yrs n Oh, Parents both b Ohio. William Boring works on farm single 19yrs. parents b oh Clara Boring dau s w 17 yrs b Oh " Lara Boring dau s w 15 yrs b Oh " Sarah Boring dau s w 12 yrs b oh " Ida Boring dau s w 5 yrs, b Oh " TJ Shumaker - (814) 927-4250 Boring Family Nat'l Database http://www.hitchhikers-guide.com/boring MORE ON CHILDEN'S MARRIAGES> Excerpts (have more) Lottie ARMINTA BORING b 1865 Clinton Co Oh mar. (1) Gaynor Moore, (2) William Allen Butler 12 Aug 1888, Mercer or Van Wert Co Oh. Ch. 1.. Hazel Lucretia Butler, 2.. Corda Butler mar. unk Frank., 3.. Zella, 4... Ira. Ida H. (Essie) Boeing b 10 Jun 1874, Clinton Co Oh, mar Simon Henry Butler in 1890, ( more on Simon) children; 1.. Percy b 1893, 2...Dewey, 3...Rosa , mar Clifton Pete Freidt, 4...Clara Gen # 3 Haxel Lucretia Butler b 8 Sep 1894 at Ft Recovery, Oh mar James Alvah Worthen 2 oct. 1913 , son of Leroy and Chrisine Worthen. children; 1.... Gene Pierce Worthen b 5 Aug 1929 Draper, Wi. 2....James Robert b 6 Feb 1920 at Lark , N Dak. 3...Wm Moses b 12 Sep 1917 Lark, N Dak. d 12 Oct 1994 in Greenville, Dark Co. Oh. 4....Lillie Christine b 16 Feb 1916 Lark, N Dak. 5...Ethel Lucille b 21 Feb 1915 mar (1) Gene Lashley., mar (2) Emil Grenke who d. Dec 1998 Tawas, Mich. mar (3) Stanley Hadden 26 Aug 1999. More on Worthen as Private maybe in Ind and Montgomery Co Oh. and elsewhere. Also Butler and name James F. and Halder Woods in Van Wert Co Oh. Pease Contact Me by E Mail if any one or surname here interest you or you are descended from. maxine Wilton in Wa. mmwaw@sprynet.com