This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BROWN-WELLS-PENNINGTON-SWEETMAN-FOX Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/618 Message Board Post: I have posted previous queries seeking information on the BROWN-WELLS-PENNINGTON-SWEETMAN-FOX Families. I now have a new e-mail address if anyone would have any info. It is: hillhopper@cox-internet.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/598.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks Chester I have a Moses Cummins but married to a Elizabeth Shields. Most of my Cummins came from KY and settled in Clinton Co Mo and surrounding counties and moved to Grundy Co. Mo I have lots on the Cummins trying to find my elusive gg grandfather John Smith who married Elmada Cummins. Delores

This is a follow-up to my recent post about needed access to Vital Records. The problem is not that the vital records cannot be accessed; they can. For a fee, the staff at the Department of Health will search for a record. If they find it, they will send a copy. Too often the response is that they found no record. I sought birth and death data re my aunt, who died before her brother, my father, was born. He told me that her given name was Mildred. I sent my money for searches and was advised that no records were found. I found her baptismal record by a different given name. It happens that the relevant records in this case were not held by the Mo. Dept. of Health, and I was able to review the hand-written birth and death records. I found her birth record by a third given name, but, by the time she died, she was indeed Mildred. A staff simply cannot locate a record under such circumstances. A researcher can, but depends on access to the data. My grandmother's maiden name was very difficult to spell. I knew the ship and arrival date of her aunt (same surname). It took me three times thru a transcription of the ship list to recognize her thoroughly-butchered name. Of course, I could not find her name in the index. I never did find her sister who was with her. My name is Doerr; in an old list, it is spelled 'Ter'. Only by searching the original records, or microforms thereof, can one find the needed data in such cases. (I guess I now have an idea as to how my ancestors pronounced our name.) The researcher has patience and incentive to find the data; any staff must depend on their imperfect indexes and the Health Department has incentive to send a 'no find' letter. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Davis, Teegarden, Cummins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/598.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hello; Got your message sorry for being so late, in answering. My G-Grand Mother Luncinda Teegarden who married John Davis is from a family who married some of the cummins families in and around Ray Co. MO. there were four bro's who married four cummins lady's . The father of this branch is Moses Cummins and wife Elizabeth Shields who are both buried in the cummins cem in Ray Co, MO. If you need Info I can send you some. Some Info but not a whole lot for they are not of my direct branch about 8 pages. Chester Davis

Records at risk A number of kinds of records that are of value for family historians are often at risk because only the originals exist. Thus, they are at risk of discard as old and value-less, or of fire, storm, mold, age-related deterioration or vandalism. These include mainly school records (teachers daily records that show the names of the pupils, often their parents or guardians), bible records, sexton's records, mortuary records and church records. You may know of others. Some business records are also valuable, if only indirectly. (Fortunately, in Missouri, most courthouse records have been microfilmed, but it pays to check with the officials to be sure.) There are several ways to reduce the risk of loss of these records. These include photocopying, microfilming (with the negatives stored safely, at the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City or at the State Archives), photography, copying to CD or DVD, and publication in a well-distributed and well-indexed organ. By well-indexed, I mean both name-indexed within the organ and, for periodicals, indexed in Periodical Source Index (PERSI). For the present, a procedure of both publication and filming on silver (not color) film provides the most security. That way, both an image of the original and an indexed transcription is preserved. Digital recording media change so often that the records may become unavailable when the system for reading the media become obsolete and are discarded. This is to urge all those interested in family history to search for such records and to see to the protection of all those found. If you cannot make the rounds of your local courthouses and historical societies and museums, please call around, and use mail or e-mail. Judgment is needed as to where to publish. Church, school, sexton's and mortuary records are best published in a local magazine if it is indexed in PERSI. Bible records, which, by the way, do not lend themselves to microfilming, are best published in a magazine that covers the area in which the family lived, or in a magazine of regional or state-wide coverage if the family extends beyond, say, a county. I offer publication of good transcriptions in the Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal. The Journal is widely distributed, has a good annual index, and is indexed in PERSI. I can work from good photocopies or scans of the originals. There is, of course, no charge for publishing in the Journal, and submitters receive a copy of each issue in which their work appears. If a record collection is too large for publication in the Journal, I can probably help arrange for publication in book form. Bob Doerr, Editor, Missouri State Genealogical Association Journal Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

Access to Records In 1910, the State of Missouri assumed the responsibility for keeping vital records. The records were kept confidential, as was proper, at least for birth records. However, some of the records are now 90 years old; it is time to place microfilms of all the birth records, with indexes, that are older than 72 years, and all of the death and other records, into the State Archives for full public access. Efforts have been made in the legislature, but the Department of Health obfuscates. The Department proposes to place on line images of the birth records 90 years or older and death records 50 years or older. That will be fine, but it is not enough. This is to urge that, during this political season, your candidates for the legislature and state senate be queried as to their positions on the matter. Owing to the Federal regulation that census data remain closed for 72 years, that interval has become a de facto standard in the USA. A 72-year interval suffices for privacy. All that is needed is to add to Sect. 193.245 of RSMO 1994 new sub-paragraphs as follows: (4) The department shall enable the State Archives to duplicate, for public access, microfilms of the following: a) all birth records that are 72 years old or older, and indexes to such records, and b) all other vital records and indexes. (5) The department shall enable, annually, the State Archives to duplicate microfilms of the following: a) all birth records that have become 72 years old or older, and indexes to such records, and b) all other vital records and indexes. Bob Doerr Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks Please see http://www.rollanet.org/~bdoerr/state.htm

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Jackson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/617 Message Board Post: Searching for information on Isaac D. JACKSON and family. He and his family are enumerated in 1860 Missouri Census for Liberty Township, Grundy County, MO, beginning on page 139, line 14: *Isaac D. Jackson, age 50, male, farmer, real estate valued at $3000, property valued at $700, born VA *Elizabeth, age 45, female, born TN *Hiram, age 22, Farmer, property valued at $100, born KYl *Wm. J., age 19, male, Farmer, born KY *John R., age 17, male, Farm Laborer, born KY *George, age 15, male, farm laborer, born KY *Lydia, age 13, female, born KY *Margaret, age 11, female, born KY *David, age 7, male, born MO *Mary J. , age 5, female, born MO *Elisha, age 1, male, born MO Oldest son was enumerated in Marion Township, Grundy Co., Pg. 80, ln 36: James R. Jackson, age 25, male, farmer, real estate valued at $1000, personal property valued at $100, born KY James Jackson eventually married Ruth ROOT and migrated to Nebraska. James / Ruth Jackson are my gg-grandparents.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BROWN / Johnson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/616 Message Board Post: Looking for info on a Zona Brown b. 1862 d. 1883, who married a Joseph Johnson.abt 1880, marriage location unk. Thank you

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: YATES, BEAL, HAMMER, KEITH, PETERSON, RAMSEY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oMB.2ACI/500.4 Message Board Post: Hi, Saw your query and the names Yates and Beal stood out. My Gr. Grandfather John P. Yates b. 1827 TN married Mary Jane Beal ca. 1853/54 prob. in Greene Co. MO. The ultimately settled in Stone Co. MO and had 10 children, 8 of which live and grew into adults and had lots of offspring. Would love to share information. Some of their children married into the following families: Hammer, Overstreet, Keith, Peterson, Ramsey, Pitts, Underwood, Mathes, Watkis, etc. Sincerely, Berta Ranft branft@houston.rr.com

I have an autograph book of my g g grandmother Lora Elma Culver Armstrong who lived in the Trenton area from 1868 to about 1900. She was the daughter of Albert Watson Culver and Elizabeth Ann Mitchell. Lora was the wife of Zachary T. Armstrong who's brothers Cyrus, Finley and Perry lived for some time also in the area. The book is about the size of your hand and in remarkably good shape. I found it in my garage in some old papers of my grandmother. The book has numerous names, signatures, and some prose in it from the time around 1883 through 1900. If anyone sees a familar name and would like a scan of the page sent to you let me know. Some of the pages have a little drawing on them and some of them have a cut out pasted out of something that looks like a greeting card. MARGARET SLOTE E. Iva V. Gill Lyddia F. Depew Estella M. Warren Lorena M. Burns George McGrath Charlie Stewart Mrs. Etta Scales Myrla H. O.G. Haley Mattie Morris Jesse Pennell Mrs. Nancy Neely L.D. Slater Will Clendenen Dora St. Clair Mrs. L. Clendenen Nannie Gill W.S. Clinesmith Etta Thompson Amos Clendenen Norah Tyler H. Crooks Carrie Pennell Mrs. C.L. Warren M.E. Cri_ben David Crooks

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oMB.2ACI/598.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Chester, No relation to the Davis' of Grundy Co. it was my married name. I have found lots of info on the Cummins. Just haven't been able to track the Smith's. My John S. Smith was in the Civil War and died Feb 21, 1863 at Camp Grover, La near Young's Point of typhoid fever and pneumonia he was married to my gg grandmother only a year before his death. He was in the 29 Missouri Infantry Co. I we just received pension papers today hoping it would tell us who his family was but no luck. Delores

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: FOX Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/615 Message Board Post: I'm looking for family members of Roy & Emma Fox (they had 2 daughters: Geraldine & Lucille). I would like to hear from them, as I've been told that they are related to me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/340.343.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Janet, It doesn't say the county in Indiana and I can't find my ancestory charts right now. I don't think I have this information from the relatives anyway.I have everything spread out and too many binders. I did not get all of the bible edges on the copy. I was grateful that Ruby was sharing but I wasn't accurate on lining the page up right. The children from the Stephens/White m. are James or Janis, John,William, Benjamin, Paulina, Lorinda-I think, Jane, and Malinda. The line that is shared with the Gibbs from Oregon is from Benjamin/Robinson marriage. I don't know if the copies I have even say who the father is from Pennsylvania. Sorry. This is what I can share. I hope this helps?! Sincerely, Carol Wright

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stephens/Stevens, Warrens/Warnes, Harris, Embry, etc. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/340.343.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi again, Carol. My Stevens/Stephens were in Lawrence County, Indiana before Missouri. If yours were also, then the migration is similar, and we are probably related somewhere. We have Jesse Stephens/Stevens and Robert Stephens/Stevens, and we believe the father was John Stevens/Stephens. (The spelling is quite interchangeable, with some branches using Stevens and others using Stephens.) Let me know if you have any questions for me. Maybe I can help. Janet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/340.343.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Dear Janet, Sorry, I haven't gotten back sooner. Computer problems and I forgot where to find this message. I just now came across the message again. So much for not saving and losing what I had saved from computer problems. The Stephens from the family bible didn't come from this area nor MO.. The Stephens came from Penn. and Ind. and Iowa, with Dutch and Scotch descendents. If this is your information I don't have much of that. Surnames: White, Robinson, and Milligan. If they are your line I just have a tiny section on it. That is pretty much what is written. Sincerely, Carol Wright

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oMB.2ACI/148.149.301 Message Board Post: Do you have any info on the Ham- Hamm family. My Ggrandmother was Mary Hamm-Nichols.Born in 1849 in Kentucky? Died in 1871 in St Clair Co. Mo.. Married Silas Nichols in Grundy Co. Mo. 1867. Thank you Berta Lee

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/oMB.2ACI/201.1 Message Board Post: Hello, My Ggrandfather was Silas Nichols. His Father was Horaito who had a brother James? They spelled their name Nicholas but Silas did not have the A in his name when he married Mary Hamm in Grundy Co. Mo. in 1867.They moved to Cedar Co. Mo. Horaito was married 2 times. My GGgrandmother was Mary Royce his 1st wife. They had 10 children, my Ggrandfather was their first born.My grandfather Samuel was born in 1867 in St Clair Co. Mo. It seems as though Silas and Mary have dissapeared. I know Mary died in 1871 and family stories say she was Osage Indian. I have found several cousins from the second family but no one from the first family. I heard that a son Horaito w. had moved his family to Iowa. Just hopung to find someone from the first family.to compare notes and find another cousin. Can"t have too many cousins. Oh yes the family came from Ohio If any of these name sound familar please let me hear from you. Berta Lee

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BROWN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/614 Message Board Post: I would like to have contact with you Re: the BROWN family. Lafayette BROWN was my gr-gr grandfather. His parent's were Moses & Ruth (MCPHERSON) BROWN. he had a brother named Granville.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: WELLS-BROWN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/613 Message Board Post: I would like to hear from you Re: the WELLS & BROWN families. Gladys (Wells) Brown was my grandmother. All info will be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: BROWN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oMB.2ACI/612 Message Board Post: Please refer to my "Looking for relatives" entry. It refers to the BROWN relatives that I'm looking for.