This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Crouch, Robertson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IKB.2ACE/1455.1.1.1 Message Board Post: All I have on Phoebe is that she was born about 1843, which is extrapolation from the census.....and I only know her mom, Philip and Charles exist from the same source. Presumably her father died before 1850, as he's not on that census...that's all I know.... Looking at my stuff again, I was wrong about them being in Greene County in 1850; that's Polk County. Doing some further digging here: they are on the 1860 Greene County census: two households, next door to each other, in Cass Twp (which makes sense; that puts them in the neighborhood of the Robertsons). Cass Twp, 1860: Philip A. Crouch, blacksmith 29 NC Sarah E. 19 MO Charles T. 5 mos MO Elizabeth Crouch, farmer 48 NC Charles farmer 27 NC Phebe 17 NC I assume that Philip and Sarah married in Polk County, as I don't find a marriage for them in Greene County.... I do not find a burial for Elizabeth in Cass, Murray or Robberson townships, but she's back there in 1880, living with Phebe and John Robertson...I would *guess* that she went with them when they went to Oklahoma, and might be buried in Oklahoma County somewhere. By 1880 both Philip and Charles are somewhere else entirely, not in Greene County.... I don't know for sure that John and Phebe stayed in Oklahoma County, but at one point, John Lindsay Robertson was commissioner of Oklahoma County. (I have a bio article on him that I don't know the source for, but looks to be one of those Goodspeed's Histories type book, for Oklahoma County, Oklahoma). It says that he enlisted in Captain Campbell's company of Confederate cavalry Mar 25, 1861, became a captain, and ended up in Shelby's Cavalry which apparently served under Sterling Price. The article goes on to say that JLR went to Marshall Texas until 1865, then was "connected with agricultural interests in Callaway, Lafayette and Greene Counties" in Missouri unti going to Montgomery County, Kansas in 1870 (probably the pertinent census to find them on that year). The article also says he stayed there for 18 years, which we know is not true (he's back in Greene 10 years later). Says he parked the family in Dade Co MO in 1888 to make the land run into OK....and met a friend named W J Ladd in OKC who gave him one of the two claims on Bluff Creek that he had. Three years later he moves to Springer Township, Oklahoma County, NE quarter, sec 35, T14 R4W (doesn't say if the T14 is N or S) and then moved to NW quarter, sec 13, Choctaw Township. At one point he owned a good part of the town of Pawnee (apparently as a speculative venture, not where he lived) and looks to have made some money off that; also parts of Bristow. Says he was first elected county commissioner from Spring Creek twp in 1890, and then again in 1898. It says he married Phoebe in Oct 1866 and she died in 1898, presumably in Oklahoma County, Oklahoma....and lists their children as follows: Charles W., of Springer twp Charlotte J., Mrs. John S. Tye of Bristow IT (OK) Daisy, still at home Sarah Ellen, Mrs. Edward Alward of Luther twp Sep 6 1900 JLR remarried to Maud B. Athey, widow of Ehnry E. Athey, daughter of Levi and Phoebe Barnett of Marietta Ohio who had three children of her own: Ada Earl and Phoebe (Athey). That might provide some clues as to where to look for Elizabeth's burial; of course, if you can find when and where she died (ditto Phoebe), checking old newspapers for the obituary may tell you the father's name and/or what county in North Carolina to be searching for earlier records. I do not find a marriage in the county for Charles, either, before 1885, so presumably if he married, it was elsewhere.....