This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/FKB.2ACE/115.34.37.260.557.560.1.1 Message Board Post: Gayle Thanks so much for this info. Any descendants for Herb and Gladys Hilderbrand? I thought that john and Ida also had two other children Virgil and Ruben, do you have anything on these families? I was at a brickwall on this family. keith