This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maunan_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/223.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Your John O'Hare is not part of this family. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pohare124 Surnames: O'Hare Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/223.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a grandfather, John P O'Hare, married to Pauline Lux. They were in the Nebraska area. Specifically, North Bend, NE. John P was born March 17, 1918. If this is enough information for yours to be helpful I would very much appreciate anything you know. I am trying to trace roots back to Ireland. I have heard rumors that this family-line had a presence in Drogheda, county Louth....North of Dublin. I thank you very much for any info. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The Daviess County Genealogical Society Meeting [DCGS] will meet this Saturday, March 29, at 1:30 pm, at the Sheriff's Home of the Squirrel Jail. All members and interested parties are encouraged to attend. For more information, contact Lanita Sconce Smith at ozarkn@grm.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: LDickin628 Surnames: Talley Belcher Thomas Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/1778/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James A. Talley, b. 1868 Benton Twp., Daviess Co., son of Alma & Mary Hulda (Belcher) Talley. Is this the J. A. Talley who m. Lou Thomas Sep 1888 in Buchanan County? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

RootsWeb Announcement Thursday, March 13, 2008 As you know, The Generations Network has hosted and funded the RootsWeb online community since June 2000, thereby maintaining RootsWeb as the world s oldest and largest free genealogy website. TGN remains committed to this mission and believes that RootsWeb is an absolutely invaluable and complementary resource to Ancestry.com, our flagship commercial family history site. We believe in both services and want to see both communities prosper and grow. As part of this goal, we have decided to "transplant" RootsWeb onto the Ancestry.com domain beginning next week. This move will not change the RootsWeb experience or alter the ease of navigation to or within RootsWeb. RootsWeb will remain a free online experience. What will be different is that the Web address for all RootsWeb pages will change from <http://www.rootsweb.com>www.rootsweb.com to <http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com>www.rootsweb.ancestry.com. Again, the RootsWeb experience is not changing. The decision to host RootsWeb on Ancestry.com is being made for one primary reason: we believe that the users of each of our two main websites can be better served if they have access to the best services available on both. Simply stated, we want to introduce more Ancestry.com users to RootsWeb and vice versa. Today, despite the fact that Ancestry.com and RootsWeb.com are the two most frequently visited family history sites on the Web, only 25 percent of visitors to Ancestry.com visited RootsWeb in January 2008, while only 20 Percent of visitors to RootsWeb visited Ancestry.com (according to Comscore Media Metrix). We think we will serve our users best by doing a better job of letting them know what is available on both Ancestry.com and RootsWeb. Hosting RootsWeb on Ancestry.com is the first step towards making this happen, but we will absolutely look for more and better ways down the road to advance this goal. Hosting RootsWeb on Ancestry.com will also make it easier for us to make changes and improvements to the RootsWeb experience in the future. All old RootsWeb URLs will continue to work, whether they are bookmarks or Favorites, links to or from a hosted page or URLs manually typed in your Internet browser. We will have a redirect in place so that all old URLs will automatically end up on the appropriate new RootsWeb URL. You will never need to update your old favorites or links unless you want to. We have worked to make the transition as seamless as possible for our users, and this change should have a minimal impact on your experience with the site. RootsWeb will remain a free online experience dedicated to providing you with a place where our community can find their roots together. If you have questions regarding this change please email them to <mailto:feedback@rootsweb.com&gt;feedback@rootsweb.com. Thanks, Tim Sullivan CEO The Generations Network, Inc. FYI: As of yesterday some 29 states moved their USGenWeb sites from Rootsweb and I am sure more will be following very soon. The USGenWeb has always been committed to providing free genealogy for everyone and we all want to make sure these sites remain free to everyone.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JamesLord27 Surnames: Lod / McCullouch Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/1777/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Samuel A. Lord, born 1853 in Indiana -- Died in Winston, Daviess County, Missouri ! His Sister Nancy Jane Lord, born 1857 in Inidana, died Winston, Daviess County, Missouri 1937. They were the children of Nimrod Lord, born 1814 South Carolina and his wife Nancy M. McCullouch. Researcing Family; jamestlord@charter.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I've "rescued" an old photograph of a young girl identified as Erbie UTZ which was taken at the J. Ed Tutt Studio in Valley Falls, Kansas. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1880's with Erbie likely about 8 years old at the time it was taken. Based on limited research I was able to locate this family and gather the following information: Irbie Bell UTZ b. 23 Jun 1878 in Valley Falls, KS to parents Robert Noah UTZ (b. 19 Oct 1831 in Boone Co, KY) and Susan Marie COFFMAN (b. 22 Feb 1834 in Covington, KY) who were married on 9 Dec 1855 in Switzerland Co. IN. Irbie Bell was the last of their 11 children, her siblings included, Larrina Jenetta; Mary Jane; Harvey Pence; Katie L.; Olive A.; Edwin Curtis; Ira R.; Carrie May; Arthur Elbert; and Owen W. UTZ, all born between 1856 and 1878 in either Davies Co. MO or Valley Falls, KS. Census records for the family are as follows: 1880 census of Delaware, KS: Robert N. UTZ, age 48, a Farmer, born KY, parents born VA/WV Susan M. UTZ, wife, age 45, Keeping House, born KY, parents born VA/KY Mary UTZ, dau, age 21, at Home, born MO Harvey UTZ, son, age 20, at Home, born KS Olive UTZ, dau, age 16, at Home, born KS Edwin UTZ, son, age 14, at Home, born KS Carrie UTZ, dau, age 8, born KS Arthur UTZ, son, age 5, born KS Erba UTZ, dau, age 2, born KS 1900 census of W. Delaware Township, KS: Robert N. UTZ, age 68, born Apr 1831, married 44 years, born KY, parents born VA, a Farmer Susan M. UTZ, wife, age 66, born Feb 1834, married 44 years, 11 children/7 living, born KY, parents born VA/KY Arthur E. UTZ, son, age 26, born Feb 1874, born KS, a Farmer Irbia B. UTZ, dau, age 21, born Jun 1878, born KS 1920 census of Valley Falls, Delaware Township, KS: Susan M. UTZ, age 85, a widow, born KY, parents born VA/KY Irbia B. UTZ, dau, age 44, born KS, parents born KS/KY I am hoping to locate someone from the family so that this wonderful old photograph can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or you know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

The latest issue of the Daviess Diggins' has been held up because of health problems by its editor. Our own Charles Hall who took over for Leon Kearns when Leon resigned because of other commitments, has done a great job of picking up the ball and running with it. Now that Charles has had these serious health problems, he has resigned and will not be able to do the newsletter. The DCGS has a real need and many of you who are members and live afar, have expressed your desire to do something to help us.... here is the time.. We need someone to take over the reins of putting out the newsletter. It's sent via email, and it would be a great help to us locals. Information is sent to you, and you put it together and send.... If interested, please contact me. Lanita Sconce Smith DCGS President Genealogists never die, they just loose their roots

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ch27292 Surnames: Collins Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/73.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Thomas Collins that came from Ky to Mo with Andrew and his wife Mary C. Collins McHaney , and are on the Daviess,Co census of 1850. Thomas was at the age of 86, and was a farmer. Bev Allen email is bevanddan@centurytel.net . Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ch27292 Surnames: Collins Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/73.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Thomas Collins that came from Ky to Mo with Andrew and his wife Mary C. Coiiins McHaney , and are on the Daviess,Co census of 1850. Thomas was at the age of 86, and was a farmer. Bev Allen email is bevanddan@centurytel.net . Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: haynes_ks Surnames: HAYNES Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.daviess/1776/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for help in locating any info or picture of William C HAYNES listed as a teacher in Daviess Co MO on the 1900 census. Any help or direction would be appreciated, thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

_http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=56146_ (http://www.deadfred.com/surnamePersR_05.php?ID=56146) This is a link to the Dead Fred website. I found a photo on it of Grover C. Whitt, born 1885, son of John Ennis WHITT and Sarah Frances PLACE. I thought others might want to see it. He's a third cousin once removed of my former mother-in-law through the Places, but the family resemblance, especially through the eyes, is unmistakable. Vanette **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

This article - Skipping Town - has been sent to you by sharon@worthey.net. An aricle about Pattonsburg's move to avoid flooding. _____ This article appears in YES! magazine - http://www.yesmagazine.org. _____ <http://63.135.115.158/images/1x1trans.gif> Winter 1998: Sustainable Sex <http://63.135.115.158/images/1x1trans.gif> <http://63.135.115.158/images/1x1trans.gif> Skipping Town by Steve Lerner <http://63.135.115.158/images/1x1trans.gif> When the rains first started in June of 1993, everyone in Pattonsburg, Missouri began to keep an eye on the river. The Grand River had jumped its banks before without flooding the town, but by July, town residents and others up and down the Missouri and Mississippi rivers were packing their favorite possessions and moving uphill to escape the rising waters. Not everyone, however, was in a hurry to get out of Pattonsburg. One farmer simply took his armchair upstairs and rode out the flood on the second floor. This "flood macho" was also demonstrated by local patrons of the Double Eagle bar, who sat playing dominoes as the waters inched over their boot tops. The owner kept the bar open as long as she could, but abandoned ship when the tables began to float by with the bottles still on them. When the flood waters finally receded, the residents of Pattonsburg fixed their houses and moved back in. But no sooner had they buried their dead and scraped the mud off their floors when a second, more devastating flood rolled into town. The floods of 1993 were hardly the first major inundation that Pattonsburg residents had experienced. Since it was founded in 1845, Pattonsburg has been flooded at least 30 times, suffered a devastating fire, and been partially destroyed by a tornado. In the 1970s, the residents were hit by an economic catastrophe more powerful than any natural disaster: an interstate highway, I-35, was built a few miles east of Pattonsburg. Until then, Pattonsburg had drawn much of its commerce from Route 69, a narrow two-lane blacktop. When the interstate bypassed Pattonsburg, businesses in town shriveled up. The intermittent flooding didn't help either. Once a bustling town of 2000 residents, Pattonsburg's population dwindled to 316. Evidence of the town's abandonment could be seen everywhere: many homes were boarded up, and along Main Street the grocery store, pizzeria, and a host of other enterprises had gone out of business. Yet it wasn't until the great flood of 1993 - the nation's costliest flood with $12 to $16 billion in damages in nine states - that Pattonsburg residents finally decided to move to higher ground. Ideas into action While the flood was having its way with the residents of Pattonsburg, Nancy Skinner, an entrepreneur who sold environmentally safe paint, was warm and dry in her apartment in Chicago watching television coverage of the massive Midwestern flooding. As news of the devastation unfolded, Skinner had an idea: since the government was poised to spend $6 billion on flood relief in the Midwest, why not use the funds to relocate communities out of the flood zone so that in the future, federal dollars would not be needed to bail them out again? And why not rebuild these communities using the best available environmental and energy-efficient technologies? These were reasonable questions, but for most people this kind of brilliant idea would have faded within an hour. Skinner, however, is a persistent woman whose bouts of enthusiasm have staying power. Over the following weeks she ran up an impressive phone bill calling the Environmental Protection Agency, the Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA), the Department of Interior, the White House Office on Environmental Policy, and a host of other bureaucracies. Her suggestion was generally received as a good idea, but the federal employees she spoke with just referred her to some other bureaucrat. Skinner's telephone marathon continued until she spoke with Bill Becker at the Department of Energy whose unique experience permitted him to appreciate Skinner's suggestion. As a former resident of Soldiers Grove, Wisconsin, he had been instrumental in lobbying to see his own beleaguered town moved out of the flood zone to higher ground in 1978. Instead of just rebuilding the Soldiers Grove business district along conventional lines, government relief funds were spent constructing passive solar, superinsulated, energy-efficient buildings that were cost-effective. The town passed the first solar ordinance in the country requiring that newly constructed commercial buildings derive at least half of their heating from the sun. Planners also strategically planted trees in a pattern that blocked winter winds while channeling summer breezes. From the Soldiers Grove experience, Becker learned that the practical and frugal residents of small Midwestern towns could be convinced to relocate and rebuild along ecologically sustainable lines. When Skinner and Becker connected over the telephone, two of the pieces for Skinner's plan fell into place. What they needed was someone who could pull together specialists from around the nation who knew how to design and build an environmentally friendly and energy-efficient community. Becker knew just the person for the job. Robert Berkebile is a prominent Kansas City architect and an expert on the environmental costs of building materials and various construction methods. By the time DOE's Bill Becker called him in 1994, Berkebile had become one of the focal points for a loose network of green architects and experts in a number of fields. Through this network, Berkebile assembled a team of professionals who could travel to flood-devastated towns and help the residents plan cost-effective, ecologically sustainable communities. Learning from the past The design team first met in January of 1994 at the Johnson & Johnson Wingspread Conference Center in Racine, Wisconsin. To keep the 40 experts grounded, Dennis Knobloch, the mayor of Valmeyer, Illinois, was invited. Valmeyer (population 900) was a town largely destroyed by the flood of 1993, whose residents were living in trailers provided by FEMA. The government was providing $30 million in disaster relief to relocate the town to higher ground. While he had been reluctant initially to attend the conference, by the end of the presentations Knobloch had heard enough useful ideas that he invited the design team to use Valmeyer as a site for their first demonstration project. Unfortunately, the planning process in Valmeyer was so far advanced that the design team had only marginal influence. Valmeyer's regional planners had already designed a suburban cul-de-sac community - the streets were laid out in the wrong direction to take advantage of the sun. Nevertheless, some modifications were made in the plans for the new town, including the use of ground-source heat pumps in a couple of buildings and improved energy efficiency measures. "It was a very good learning experience for us, even though the results were not what they might have been," Becker concludes. Fortunately, Skinner (who now runs Daybreak International, a nonprofit organization that consults on sustainability projects) had invited David Warford, the mayor of flood-damaged Pattonsburg to Valmeyer. She had heard from a FEMA official that the Pattonsburg residents' idea of how to relocate out of the flood zone was to move their town to an off-ramp of an interstate and throw up some truck stops to capture the passing vehicular business. It turned out to be a good match. Pattonsburg's Mayor Warford was looking for all the help he could find, and at the end of the workshop, offered Pattonsburg as the next demonstration project for the design team. He pointed out that the residents of Pattonsburg were not wedded to a car-oriented suburban design. Making their move In Bettie's Cafe in downtown Pattonsburg, a half-dozen farmers are sitting around a table sipping coffee and eating breakfast. On the wall above them is a poster for the Road Kill Cafe, offering delicacies such as "smear of deer." In this flood-cursed town where 65 percent of the residents are over 60 years old, the farmers are debating plans to relocate their town out of the flood plain. Some are in favor of the relocation. A young farmer who grew up in Pattonsburg sees it as the town's only hope. The town will continue to die until it moves to a place where businesses will feel safe without fear of being flooded out, he says. But not everyone is anxious to agree. "Most people here can't afford to move," says a man wearing knee-high rubber boots. "We have a lot of widows and elderly people here on fixed incomes living in houses half chewed-up by termites. If you tried to move those houses, they'd turn into dust. Besides, why should we move?" he asks, shrugging his shoulders. "I've lived with the flooding all my life. It's just a part of living here. It's a hell of a lot better than living in Los Angeles with those earthquakes." While the federal government can't move L.A., it can move a small town the size of Pattonsburg. Furthermore, a study directed by the Army Corps of engineers found that federal flood control efforts would be less expensive and more effective if people were moved out of flood plains. Experimenting with this flood relief strategy, government officials agreed to finance the largest post-flood relocation in the nation's history. Pattonsburg was an obvious candidate for one of these efforts, and $12 million was set aside to move the town two miles to a higher elevation. Pattonsburg officials recognized that this large infusion of federal funds into a small town like theirs was unlikely to reoccur any time soon. To help them invest the money wisely, Berkebile's design team arrived in Pattonsburg in September of 1994 for a three-day planning session. The designers were scheduled to listen to what residents wanted their new town to look like at a "visioning session," present the residents with an expanded menu of options, and finally draw up a town plan. Convincing skeptical Midwesterners to move their town was a task only slightly less daunting than negotiating an international nuclear arms reduction treaty. The first meeting, held in the Pattonsburg school gymnasium, was led by Milenko Matanovic, a consultant from the Pomegranate Center for Community Innovation based in Issaquah, Washington. After showing a documentary about Soldiers Grove, Wisconsin, Matanovic pinned a large map of Pattonsburg to the wall. He began to solicit ideas about what residents treasured in their community and wanted to incorporate in New Pattonsburg: some people liked the feel of walking down Main Street; others had grown accustomed to the faded red brick facade of the stores; some liked having separate entrances to each of the shops; someone spoke lyrically of a neighbor's garden; another resident didn't want to lose the sound of the town whistle that blows morning, noon, and night. The list of town treasures grew. Residents and members of the team of experts then visited the site of the new town, 640 acres purchased from several local farmers. The land stood on a hill, several miles from the old town and about a quarter of a mile from the interstate highway. Standing at the edge of a cornfield, the designers took note of a line of trees they wanted to save. They brought with them large topographical maps of the site that helped them to plot precisely how stormwater drained from the land. From this inspection of the site, they recommended that the existing contours be preserved as far as possible so that the land would continue to drain naturally. This would save the town the considerable expense of building and maintaining a conventional stormwater system. Existing ponds could be augmented to work as detention ponds that would permit much of the stormwater to go back into the ground instead of running off the land. If the right plants were grown in this constructed wetland, contaminants in the stormwater could be filtered out so that the runoff from the town would actually be cleaner than the water currently draining from the cornfield. Local farmers and rural residents easily grasped the advantage of using the lay of the land to drain stormwater from their new town. "We come from a farming community and a lot of these ideas are not so different from things farmers do regularly," says Mayor Warford. "People in farming communities are very aware of the cycles of nature and they tend to take the long view. When you make your livelihood from the soil you realize that you have to protect it or you won't have an income any more." An enlightened way to build Planners also suggested that the streets of the town be oriented along an east-west axis so the houses could take advantage of passive solar gain during the cold Missouri winters. Planting deciduous trees on the sunny side of the house would shade them in the summer while allowing the sun to shine through the bare branches for warmth in the winter. Furthermore, creating a tree line of windbreaks would protect the houses during the winter, channel summer breezes, and muffle noise from the highway. The town was designed to be pedestrian-friendly - everyone was no more than a five-minute walk from downtown. Housing for the elderly was sited in the center of town so that older residents would not be isolated from the town's daily activities. The commercial and industrial zone was positioned closest to the interstate, while its Main Street was set farther back from the highway where it would have a quieter, slower-paced, feel to it. Following a neotraditional town design, planners also attempted to recreate some of the best aspects of the old Pattonsburg's Main Street. The retail section of the new town, for example, would be a single-walled structure, but each business would have its own entrance and the height of the facade would vary as it did in the old town. To keep their new town on a sustainable trajectory, Pattonsburg residents were willing to put their environmentally friendly principles into a written code. Pattonsburg's town council is poised to adopt a number of covenants and restrictions drawn up with the help of Dan Slone, an environmental attorney from Richmond, Virginia. In the prologue to these new regulations, the town of New Pattonsburg commits itself to "encourage, and in some instances require, the use of energy-efficient designs and sustainable construction techniques within its limits." These covenants and restrictions ensure that while New Pattonsburg will not be a perfect model of sustainability, at least it is headed in the right direction. "We could try to turn Pattonsburg into a utopian community but it wouldn't work," says Becker. "In the end it has to be what the community can afford to live with. What we hope is that New Pattonsburg will be far more sustainable than it would have been without input from the design team. We hope that it will be a model of an enlightened way to build a town." A greater motivation Both the Pattonsburg and the Valmeyer planning and relocation efforts demonstrate that sustainable development is more than just an attractive theory. The design team found that it could "sell" Midwesterners on a variety of cost-efficient strategies. Nancy Skinner recalls an interview with a resident in Valmeyer who said: "When members of the design team first talked about passive solar energy, I thought this was just some weird liberal concept that had nothing to do with me. But when they explained what it meant in practical terms - that it was just how you orient your house in relation to the sun and the type of materials you build with - then it made perfect sense to me." When surveyed, residents of Pattonsburg voted to build a resource-efficient town largely for economic reasons. When they saw the film of what people did in Soldier's Grove, they realized they could save money building energy-efficient homes. "That message played very well in Pattonsburg. People said that they didn't care how freaky some of these newfangled ideas sounded as long as they worked and could save them money," Skinner observes. But they also had a motivation that was greater than saving money. Mayor War- ford says that the relocation helped change his thinking. "It sensitized me to environmental issues. I was aware of some of these issues before, but now I am seeing solutions to problems instead of just problems." Warford recalls a trip he took to Washington, DC to search for funds to move Pattonsburg. While in Washington, he was struck by the large number of homeless people. Warford has a particularly strong recollection of standing outside the Smithsonian when a teacher advised his group of students to look the other way and pretend the homeless people outside the building did not exist. "Part of the problem in this country is that we ignore problems and hope they go away," he says. "We can all put our heads in the sand and say there is no problem with the ozone layer. But I am sure not going to tell my 13-year-old boy to pretend that these homeless people don't exist. I'm going to say, 'Aren't we fortunate we are not in the same situation, and what can we do to help?' Of course, one person can't help the homeless people, but maybe as a nation we can. And maybe as a nation we can help solve the environmental problems we face today." _____ Steve Lerner is research director of Commonweal, a non-profit organization that focuses on environmental and health issues. This article is adapted from a chapter in his book, Eco-Pioneers: Practical Visionaries Solving Today's Environmental Problems. Copyright © 1997 Massachusetts Institute of Technology. <http://63.135.115.158/images/1x1trans.gif> http://www.yesmagazine.org/article.asp?ID=927 <http://63.135.115.158/images/1x1trans.gif>

The first five counties in Missouri were New Madrid, St Charles, Cape Girardeau Ste. Genevieve and St Louis and St Louis City was first settled in 1764 and recognized as an American City in 1804. St Charles covered most of the north portion of the state the borders being the two rivers, the Missouri and the Mississippi. St Louis Co covered the middle of the state and New Madrid, Ste. Genevieve and Cape Girardeau the lower part. Howard county was formed in 1816 St Louis and St Charles Co with several other counties being formed in 1818. As far as Howand being the :Mother of Counties" you can say the same for St Louis and New Madrid Counties. Old Lawrence County was form in 1815 from New Madrid Co and abolished in 1819 becoming part of Arkansas. You can follow the expansion of the population by looking at the counties and how the were formed. The forming of counties was driven by the desires of the settlers to have a governing body closer to them so that they would not have to make 3- 4 day trips to pay taxes settle lawsuits, etc. The expansion seems to flow up and down the Mississpi and inland along the Misssouri rivers. There were still arguements over borders between Iowa and Missouri up into the mid 1800 and later. The Howard Co. sites claim that it was the mother os some of these counties is a stretch. Take Adair Co, 1841 from Macon Co, Macon Co, 1837 from Chariton Co and Randolph Co, Chariton Co, 1820 from Howard Co, Randolph, 1829 from parts of Ralls and Chariton. Monroe and Shelby Co never were part of Howand there "Mother County" was St Charles. As far as Iowa goes it was part of the Michigan territory in the early 1800"s. In 1834 The Dakotas, Iowa and the western half of Minnesota were attached to the Michigan Territory. By 1836 this area became the Wisconsin Territory. In 1838 the area of the Wisconin territory was reduced to the to bcome the state of Wisconsin and the rest became Iowa Territory. Iowa was admitted as a state in 1846 and in 1849 what was left became Minnesota. I have seen people list a persons birth in X county and and xxx year but that county did not become a couty until 20 years after the birth. This cause some confusion for other researchers. Most of the state geneology sites have county formation sites and you need to look at them. Iowa http://iagenweb.org/state/places/formation.htm Missouri http://www.rootsweb.com/~mogenweb/dates.htm North Carolina http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncgenweb/county.html The USGENWEB Project http://www.usgenweb.com/ One of the first research sites on the internet. It is by state and then by counties. Hate to ramble along like this but it is a dreary day and expected to get nastier. Leon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanita Sconce Smith" <ozarkn@grm.net> To: <modavies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [MODAVIES] MO land question/well, you learn something everyday!! > Chariton Co..... 1/4/1819.... 160 acres > > Chariton County was formed, from Howard County, MO, 16 November 1820 > > Macon Co.....1/29/1819.... 160 acres > > At Howard Co. website is the following: > The "Mother of Counties" > > Howard County was created under an act of the general assembly, > approved on January 13, 1816. It was named for Benjamin Howard, first > Missouri Territory governor. Howard County was the ninth organized > county in the Missouri Territory and was created from the counties of > St. Louis and St. Charles. > > Although it is much smaller today, when originally organized, Howard > County comprised nearly 22,000 square miles - about one-third as large > as the present state of Missouri. Obviously, Howard County is not that > large today. The following counties (or parts of counties) were at > first part of Howard County: Adair; Boone; Caldwell; Carroll; Chariton; > Clay; Clinton; Cole; Cooper; Daviess; DeKalb; Gentry; Grundy; Harrison; > Henry; Johnson; Lafayette; Linn; Livingston; Macon; Mercer; Moniteau; > Morgan; Pettis; Putnam; Randolph; Ray; Saline; Sullivan; Worth; the > northern parts of Benton, Miller, and St. Clair; and possibly parts of > Audrain, Monroe, and Shelby. Also, the following counties (or parts of > counties) in Iowa were at first part of Howard County: Clarke; Decatur; > Ringgold; Union; Wayne; parts of Adams and Taylor; and probably parts > of Appanoose, Lucas, and Monroe. > > > You learn something everyday! > Lanita > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MODAVIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chariton Co..... 1/4/1819.... 160 acres Chariton County was formed, from Howard County, MO, 16 November 1820 Macon Co.....1/29/1819.... 160 acres At Howard Co. website is the following: The "Mother of Counties" Howard County was created under an act of the general assembly, approved on January 13, 1816. It was named for Benjamin Howard, first Missouri Territory governor. Howard County was the ninth organized county in the Missouri Territory and was created from the counties of St. Louis and St. Charles. Although it is much smaller today, when originally organized, Howard County comprised nearly 22,000 square miles - about one-third as large as the present state of Missouri. Obviously, Howard County is not that large today. The following counties (or parts of counties) were at first part of Howard County: Adair; Boone; Caldwell; Carroll; Chariton; Clay; Clinton; Cole; Cooper; Daviess; DeKalb; Gentry; Grundy; Harrison; Henry; Johnson; Lafayette; Linn; Livingston; Macon; Mercer; Moniteau; Morgan; Pettis; Putnam; Randolph; Ray; Saline; Sullivan; Worth; the northern parts of Benton, Miller, and St. Clair; and possibly parts of Audrain, Monroe, and Shelby. Also, the following counties (or parts of counties) in Iowa were at first part of Howard County: Clarke; Decatur; Ringgold; Union; Wayne; parts of Adams and Taylor; and probably parts of Appanoose, Lucas, and Monroe. You learn something everyday! Lanita

Lanita, Give me the particulars of your search, names , counties, etc. I will look at it tomorrow and see if I can figure it out. Leon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanita Sconce Smith" <ozarkn@grm.net> To: <modavies@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [MODAVIES] MO land question >I agree, Mark, but Missouri did not become a state until 1821..... How > on earth can they say that a particular county was settled prior to > 1821 when Missouri and the counties weren't formed? > > Lanita > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MODAVIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I agree, Mark, but Missouri did not become a state until 1821..... How on earth can they say that a particular county was settled prior to 1821 when Missouri and the counties weren't formed? Lanita

The counties WERE formed. Counties in the United States territories were often formed BEFORE statehood occurred. Here's an example: 1870 FED CENSUS: Brigham City, Box Elder County, Utah Territory. 26 Jun 1870. Brigham City PO. Jana -----Original Message----- From: modavies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:modavies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lanita Sconce Smith Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:17 PM To: modavies@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MODAVIES] MO land question I agree, Mark, but Missouri did not become a state until 1821..... How on earth can they say that a particular county was settled prior to 1821 when Missouri and the counties weren't formed? Lanita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MODAVIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As counties were added, during the years after MO was settled, from other counties the location of the land remained the same but the county probably changed as county boundaries changed. It is not uncommon for land grants to show up in different counties until all the counties within the state were finally set. Sometimes land grants ended up in different states even, if state boundaries changed. The actual land location should tell you if the grant was for the same person. Mark --- sharon <sharon@worthey.net> wrote: > > > There were counties - but not many. Here's an 1820 > county map of Missouri... > (actually 1810 pops up and then you have to click on > 1820 below the map) > http://www.mymissourigenealogy.com/mo_maps/mo_cm.htm > > -sharonw > > > -----Original Message----- > From: modavies-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:modavies-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Lanita Sconce Smith > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:52 PM > To: modavies@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MODAVIES] MO land question > > Okay, I am researching a couple of families for a > co-worker, and I > checked the Bureau of Land Management - General Land > Office Records > website... there, I find 2 men with same last name > who bought land in > Jan of 1819 in 2 different counties.. > > Since Missouri did not become a state until 1821, > how on EARTH did they > come up with that????? I know we were the Missouri > Territory then, but > certainly, the particular counties were not formed > yet.... > > Anybody got an idea? > > Lanita > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > MODAVIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to MODAVIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

There were counties - but not many. Here's an 1820 county map of Missouri... (actually 1810 pops up and then you have to click on 1820 below the map) http://www.mymissourigenealogy.com/mo_maps/mo_cm.htm -sharonw -----Original Message----- From: modavies-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:modavies-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lanita Sconce Smith Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 7:52 PM To: modavies@rootsweb.com Subject: [MODAVIES] MO land question Okay, I am researching a couple of families for a co-worker, and I checked the Bureau of Land Management - General Land Office Records website... there, I find 2 men with same last name who bought land in Jan of 1819 in 2 different counties.. Since Missouri did not become a state until 1821, how on EARTH did they come up with that????? I know we were the Missouri Territory then, but certainly, the particular counties were not formed yet.... Anybody got an idea? Lanita ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MODAVIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message