Hello Everyone I'm going to respond to both Lynda and Jackie in this one email. I have since obtained the 1880 census information for Benjamin and Permelia Marsh and for John and Mary Olinger of Greene Co., Campbell Township, page 274B Regarding the Olingers, Lynda I assume you are referring to the above Olingers who in 1880 have children: Mary E., James H.A., George W. (married Lillie Marsh?), Chas. H., H.C. Martha, and Joseph?? Did this family move en masse after 1880 and found the town of Olinger near the Dade/Lawrence Co border? Do you know where in the Olinger family fits Frances E. "Fannie" Olinger who married Edwin McKinsey "Mack" Sexton April 06, 1904 in Olinger, Lawrence Co., Missouri. "Uncle Mack" was brother of my grandfather Charley Sexton, who was married to Lucy Marsh, niece of Lillie Marsh Olinger. Fannie and Uncle Mack, as well as my grandparents are buried at Shiloh, just barely in Dade Co. Here we "border families" are all tangled up again! Regarding Jackie's comments on Benjamin and Permelia's children "Frankey and Delaware", I believe that Delaware was James L., in his parents pension applications, and since he is on the 1870 census and not 1880, I assume that he has passed away and probably buried in an unmarked grave at Pennsboro or on the family farm. He was only a month old in 1870 and perhaps had been given a temporary name or nickname. Regarding Lillie changing her name from Frankey, I bet Lillie was a nickname or derivation of her middle name. I only have "E" as an initial. Franky was undoubtedly named after her grandmother Franky Murrell Williams, buried Shiloh. Also the "Frisby P." in the 1880 census is Presly P. I'm not sure which transcription you are looking at. The LDS 1880 census has Presly correct, though I have several other problems with that wonderful set of CDs, like my Letsy Shelton is Betsy, etc. Jackie said -- "I found a George F. Olinger in the 1920 in Saline, Miami Co, MO with a wifeLucy and 29 year old son Charles. If you think this is your George, then he must have remarried after Lillie died." I doubt this is he because a 29 year old son Charles would have had to have been Lillie's child as she died in 1893, and he isn't listed in Benjamin Marsh' probate papers by son Presley Patterson "Pat", who was administrator. But thanks for looking! Thanks to all of you! I now have all of Benj and Permelia's childrens and their spouses, birth, marriage, parents and most death/burial information (not George Olinger on the latter). Best Regards, Janet In a message dated 7/19/2002 3:46:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Janet: > > According to my records, George Olinger was the son of John, b. 1840 in > Virginia and Mary, b. 1845 in Missouri, and a brother of my g-g-uncle by > marriage, James Andrew Jackson Olinger. I don't show any other children > or > wives for George. > > Lynda >