No, Mary and Minervia were half sister. There father Thomas Gillenwater married 2 women by the name of Mary and both Mary's were cousins. One went by the name of Polly. If you do the 9 month thing David was still alive in Jan of 1887 because Maggie was born in Sept of 1887. They may have travel to visit dad and bought some land, planing on coming back to Dade Co in the next spring. Something most of happen either having the baby or David died, with out having the 1890 census there is no way telling when they actually moved to Dade Co MO. There is no way of knowing why Sarah and possible 2 of her bothers were left in Hawkins Co. Several of Mary Kyle's older children by her first marriage were also left behind, even though there were older. This is not the only family that I have that the parents moved and left some of there children behind with grandparents. It makes you wonder if the 2nd wife like them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bruce james" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [MODADE] Courtneys of Dade Co. > Jane, > > Do you think it's coincidence that the Mary Gillenwater Courtney listed below has the same last name of Minervia Gillenwater who listed as Sarah Ellen Robinson's mother? Would Mary be short for Minervia by any chance? I know that the Courtney last name doesn't make sense, but it's quite a coincidence. > > Also, if you believe (playing devil's advocate here) that Mary Gillenwater Courtney and her sister raised Sarah Ellen Robinson, why would they have left her land in Hawkins Co., TN and then Sarah Ellen bought land (after David Jesse's demise) from her dad (Powel Robinson) in Dade Co.? Wouldn't Powel likely have taken his children to be raised with his new wife Mary Kyle Delp? > > Do you have any information on sibilings of Sarah Ellen Robinson? > > If you need information on the children of David Marshall Courtney, let me know, that was my mom's uncles and aunts. > > Thanks for all of your help. > > Lori > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane Hutchings > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 3:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MODADE] Courtneys of Dade Co. > > I can answer some of your question. > > > COURTNEY, LULA - b. 8 Jul 1877, Hawkins Co., Tn., d. 20 May 1944, g. > Vaughn > > Cem., d/o Jesse Courtney and Sarah Ellen Robinson, m. 9 Nov 1893, Arthur > W. > > Grider. > > You all ready know about her. She and Arthur are living next door to > Sarah Ellen on the 1900 Dade Co Census living in the SAC township. > > > > COURTNEY, MARY GILLENWATER - b. 1831, d. 1899, g. Vaughn Cem. > > Mary C. Gillenwater is the dau. of Thomas and Mary Gillenwater of Hawkins Co > TN. Who the Courtney she married is unknown. She did not live with him > after there marriage and no known children. I believe she and her sister > raised Sarah Ellen. They left her there land in Hawkins Co TN. She share > the same headstone as Sarah Ellen. > > > COURTNEY, CLINTON E (SHORTY) - b. 14 Jul 1915, d. 20 Mar 1986, g. Vaughn > Cem > > next thim him Charlotte June 19 Jun 1929 > > Clinton is the son of Marshall and Ella Courtney, on the the 1920 Dade Co > census living in the Center Township. > > > > COURTNEY, IDA 1882-1962 Vaughn Cem. > > Ida is the dau of of Sarah Ellen and David Courtney. > > > COURTNEY, SARAH ELLEN - 1857-1920 (nee Robinson) Vaughn Cem > > You have information on her. Dau of Powell Robinson. > > > COURTNEY, FRANCES GERTRUDE 14 Aug 1908-16 Jul 1909, Veughn > Do not know who she belongs to. > > > COURTNEY, DAIVD M 1885-1962 Vaughn > > next to him ELLA A - 1883-1951 > You have information on this couple. > > > COURTNEY, RICHARD D 1 May 1913-22 Jan 1981 Vaughn. > Richard is the son of David Marshall and Ella Courtney. on the 1920 Dade co > census. > > I can post the families as found on the 1900 and 1920 Dade co census if you > need the information. > Jane > > > ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== > Listowner: mailto:[email protected] > [email protected] > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== > This list is made available courtesy of Rootsweb.com > To unsubscribe send a msg. to > MODADE-L(or -D)[email protected] > unsubscribe in the msg. area, turn off your signature, > if possible. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Jane--These are the Courtneys that lived in Dade Co., that I have been unable to tie into a family: COURTNEY, BENJAMIN A. - b. 1844, Tn., m. 1 Mar 1865, Polk Co., Matilda A. Fender. OC: Isom H. 1864 Mo., William H. 1867 Mo., Sarah L. 1868 Mo. 1870 C. North Twp. COURTNEY, CHARLES - b. 1853, Mo., m. Martha Robinett. OC: Robert 1879 Mo. 1880 C. North Twp COURTNEY, CHARLES FERDINAND - b.7 Feb 1843, Beaver Co., Pa., d. 27 Jan 1930, Polk Co., Mo., g. Pleasant Ridge Cem., Aldrich, Mo., s/o David M. Courtney and Violetta Fox, m. 5 Aug 1875, Octavia Maria Asbell. COURTNEY, CHARLES M. - b. 1872, d. 1945, g. Dadeville Masonic Cem., m. Lillie Thursa Hembree. COURTNEY, GEORGE W. - m. 1 Apr 1894, Matilda Harris. COURTNEY, GLADYS BELLE - b. 28 Apr 1881, Jasper Co., Mo., d. 24 Nov 1972, Clark Co., Wa., d/o Charles Ferdinand Courtney and Octavia Marie Asbell, m. 5 Aug 1900, Clark Co., Wa., Deoma Clayton Hughes. COURTNEY, LULA - b. 8 Jul 1877, Hawkins Co., Tn., d. 20 May 1944, g. Vaughn Cem., d/o Jesse Courtney and Sarah Ellen Robinson, m. 9 Nov 1893, Arthur W. Grider. COURTNEY, MARY GILLENWATER - b. 1831, d. 1899, g. Vaughn Cem. COURTNEY, REBECCA L. - m. 18 Jun 1891, Jonathan Nathan Houck. COURTNEY, THOMAS - m. 22 Jan 1890, Alice Clark. COURTNEY, CLINTON E (SHORTY) - b. 14 Jul 1915, d. 20 Mar 1986, g. Vaughn Cem next thim him Charlotte June 19 Jun 1929 COURTNEY, IDA 1882-1962 Vaughn Cem. COURTNEY, SARAH ELLEN - 1857-1920 (nee Robinson) Vaughn Cem COURTNEY, FRANCES GERTRUDE 14 Aug 1908-16 Jul 1909, Veughn COURTNEY, DAIVD M 1885-1962 Vaughn next to him ELLA A - 1883-1951 COURTNEY, RICHARD D 1 May 1913-22 Jan 1981 Vaughn. As you can see, there are many in Dade Co., that I have not been able to tie in to Jeremiah and Robert Courtneys families. If you identify the above, it will help. Thanks. Dorothy

I can answer some of your question. > COURTNEY, LULA - b. 8 Jul 1877, Hawkins Co., Tn., d. 20 May 1944, g. Vaughn > Cem., d/o Jesse Courtney and Sarah Ellen Robinson, m. 9 Nov 1893, Arthur W. > Grider. You all ready know about her. She and Arthur are living next door to Sarah Ellen on the 1900 Dade Co Census living in the SAC township. > COURTNEY, MARY GILLENWATER - b. 1831, d. 1899, g. Vaughn Cem. Mary C. Gillenwater is the dau. of Thomas and Mary Gillenwater of Hawkins Co TN. Who the Courtney she married is unknown. She did not live with him after there marriage and no known children. I believe she and her sister raised Sarah Ellen. They left her there land in Hawkins Co TN. She share the same headstone as Sarah Ellen. > COURTNEY, CLINTON E (SHORTY) - b. 14 Jul 1915, d. 20 Mar 1986, g. Vaughn Cem > next thim him Charlotte June 19 Jun 1929 Clinton is the son of Marshall and Ella Courtney, on the the 1920 Dade Co census living in the Center Township. > COURTNEY, IDA 1882-1962 Vaughn Cem. Ida is the dau of of Sarah Ellen and David Courtney. > COURTNEY, SARAH ELLEN - 1857-1920 (nee Robinson) Vaughn Cem You have information on her. Dau of Powell Robinson. > COURTNEY, FRANCES GERTRUDE 14 Aug 1908-16 Jul 1909, Veughn Do not know who she belongs to. > COURTNEY, DAIVD M 1885-1962 Vaughn > next to him ELLA A - 1883-1951 You have information on this couple. > COURTNEY, RICHARD D 1 May 1913-22 Jan 1981 Vaughn. Richard is the son of David Marshall and Ella Courtney. on the 1920 Dade co census. I can post the families as found on the 1900 and 1920 Dade co census if you need the information. Jane

Jane--Thanks so much for the info. I will give you what I have, that you don't seem to have. Lula Courtney -- b. 8 Jul 1877, Hawkins Co., Tn., d. 20 May 1944, G. Vaughn Cem., m. 9 Nov 1893, Arthur W. Grider. COURTNEY, THOMAS K. - b. 20 Oct 1880, Tn., d. 8 Jun 1949, g. Wetzel Cem., s/o Jesse Courtney and Sarah Ellen Robinson, m. 11 Nov 1903, Dollie M. Vanzandt. I don't have at my finger tips the others that are born after 1880. I am related to the Courtneys from Washington Co., Stephen Courtney, whose sons Jeremiah and Robert came to Dade Co. at settled in North Twp. I have corresponded with Chuck Courtney. He is the one that told me about the Hawkins Tn. bunch, and I started trying to tie them in the with other courtneys in Dade Co. I have doing a book for the family on the Courtneys, and would love to make this connection. Have to go. Will talk with you later. Thanks again. Dorothy

Dear Fellow Listers; I am seeking the birth place of my Great Grand Father, William D. George b March 1849 MO. I have gleaned this from Gillespie Co., TX census 1880, 1900, 1910. He does not appear on the 1920 census and I assume he was dead. In the 1870's William was a cattle hand on the Moss Ranch in adjacent Llano County, he fought Indians at the battle of Pack Saddle Hill and on Sept. 18, 1879 married my GGM Henrietta (Ettie) Solomon b 1861 GA. William was widowed by 1900 and Ettie's Mother, (the widow of Godwin Solomon b 1813 GA) Mary Jane (Roberts) Solomon b 1833 GA, moved onto the farm to tend the four children; William Lawrence (My GF b July 21, 1880) Euphamia, Enock and Francis George. By 1910 William had sold his farm and relocated across the county in Willow City. He there owned and operated a general store, until it was destroyed by fire. No more is known of William D. George. My block wall has been for years - his birth place. Any one researching this line or believing they may be related is encouraged to reply. David W . George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

I am looking for information on P.S. Martin and Myrtie Patterson who were married 3 Feb. 1875 in Dade County. They possibly had a son named Edgar. Any information would be appreciated. Betty Wells Locust Grove, Oklahoma [email protected]

Jane/Dorothy, Great information, I appreciate that you have it documented as to where it came from. It helps us to know that there aren't mistakes. I have a 6th child for David Jesse Courtney and Sarah Ellen Robinson; her name is Mabel, however, I have no further information on her. My line is through one of David Marshall's children; Leila Courtney Newkirk. Jane I'd love to know about where you stopped in Greenfield to talk w/the land owner. If she knew David Marshall's kids, she might remember my grandmother. If you will email me directly, I'd love to hear what you have. BTW....I contacted Dorothy about a zip file that I got from a guy who is doing research on Greene Co., VA Courtney's. He said he got it from Chuck in TX. If you don't already have it, there is some valuable information in it. Thank You! Lori [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Hutchings Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 9:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MODADE] Courtneys of Dade Co. Good evening, Dorothy, you have most of Sarah Ellen (Robinson) Courtney information right. But her mother was Menervia Gillenwater, she died shortly after Sarah was born. Powell Robinson then married Mary Kyle Delp, 25 Sept 1859 in Hawkins Co TN. Known Children of Sarah and David Jessie Courtney Lulu 1878 Hawkins Co TN (1880 Hawkins co TN census) ( I have no other information on her.) Thomas K. 2 Oct 1880 Hawkins Co TN (1880 Hawkins Co TN Census) Ida. T. 1882 Hawkins Co. TN (1880 Hawkins Co TN census) David Marshall Courtney May 1885 Hawkins Co TN. Maggie E. Sept 1887 ( on the 1900 Dade Co MO census says born in TN, probably Hawkins Co.) On the 1900 Dade Co MO census says Sarah had 5 children and all 5 living. The family must have moved to Dade Co MO. shortly after Maggie birth. Sarah Courtney bought land from her father Powell Robinson in Aug 1886. David may have died in Hawkins Co TN and that may be why the family moved to Dade Co. No head stone has been found for him. Even though there is an unmark grave next to Sarah's headstone. Sarah, David and Thomas own land north of Greenfield on road H area. I visit there this pass May, I stop to talk with a lady where I thought that Sarah might have own land. The woman I talk to remembered going to school with David's children, but none of the Courtney's live in the area now To save you some time. There is no will for Sara Ellen or Powell Robinson. Sara gave her land to Ida before she died. Ida never married. I have not found a paper trail for David Jessie, all land transaction were in Sara's name. In Feb of 1998 I corresponded with Chuck Courtney of Austin, Texas. He claims David Jessie is the son of Russell and Elizabeth (Henry) Courtney. David had one bother named James Polk, there may be more, but I have not done any more research on this line. David should be listed with his family on the 1870 Hawkins Co TN census. Chuck is from James Polk line. I'm related to Sarah, how are you related to this family Jane ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== This list is made available courtesy of Rootsweb.com To unsubscribe send a msg. to MODADE-L(or -D)[email protected] unsubscribe in the msg. area, turn off your signature, if possible. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Lori and Jane -(Or anyone else!)-- Did any of your COURTNEY family marry into the DANIEL/S from Dade Co? Thanks Norma in CA bruce james wrote: > > Jane, > > His name is Jesse Courtney, born Kylesford, TN 1885. We've found him to be the father of David Marshall Courtney from Greenfield, Dade, MO. Anyway, this is the only information we have on him. On this board and the Courtney board others have mentioned a Jesse or Jessie, but haven't been able to provide information to link him to what we have. I hope you can help me out or link us in some way. :o) > > Lori > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jane Hutchings > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MODADE] visiting Dade Co. > > Who are you looking for that came from Hawkins/Hancock Co TN. Some of my > people came from the same area. > Jane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bruce james" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 8:20 PM > Subject: [MODADE] visiting Dade Co. > > > Hi all, > > > > I've been a member of this board for almost a year and have enjoyed it > very much. However, as information went by about where to do what I passed > it by because I thought my chances of visiting Dade Co. were slim to none. > > > > Now, I'm excited to share that I'll be visiting soon. This is where your > help is needed. I'd like your thoughts and knowledge about where I should > spend my time while I'm there. I have names and birthdays of many, but at a > wall for parents who migrated to Dade Co/Greenfield from Kylesford, TN. > Here are my questions: > > > > 1. Is it advantageous to join the genealogical society? > > > > 2. Where is the best place to search? Locally? (Greenfield) or County? > (Dade) > > > > 3. Where is the best place to search, library or courthouse? > > > > 4. Is there necessary prep work that can be done to utilize our time > wisely? > > > > 5. Does anyone have phone numbers or operating hours of the places I'll > need to go? > > > > 6. Where is a good place to stay? > > > > And lastly, I'd be happy to hear any suggestions! > > > > Lori > > [email protected] > > > > > > ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== > > Dade County GenWeb Page http://www.rootsweb.com/~modade/modade.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== > NO attachments to the entire list. Send those privately. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== > Dade County GenWeb Page http://www.rootsweb.com/~modade/modade.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I could use some queries for the Ozarks Genealogy column http://www.springfieldnews-leader.com/genealogy/index.html Thanks. Gloria Bogart Carter, Genealogist, 733 South Farm Road 89, Springfield, MO 65802, [email protected] 417-869-7060; My BOOK LIST available by e-mail; My Ozarks Genealogy Query Column appears each Sunday on line http://www.springfieldnews-leader.com/genealogy/index.html ; Visit Wright Co MO web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~mowright/wright.htm

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His not listed in Fullington Cemetery. Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 6:41 PM Subject: [MODADE] Moses Cantrell > Do any of you have cemetery books? I am looking for a Moses Cantrell...Thanks > > > ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== > Dade County GenWeb Page http://www.rootsweb.com/~modade/modade.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Do any of you have cemetery books? I am looking for a Moses Cantrell...Thanks

Good evening, Dorothy, you have most of Sarah Ellen (Robinson) Courtney information right. But her mother was Menervia Gillenwater, she died shortly after Sarah was born. Powell Robinson then married Mary Kyle Delp, 25 Sept 1859 in Hawkins Co TN. Known Children of Sarah and David Jessie Courtney Lulu 1878 Hawkins Co TN (1880 Hawkins co TN census) ( I have no other information on her.) Thomas K. 2 Oct 1880 Hawkins Co TN (1880 Hawkins Co TN Census) Ida. T. 1882 Hawkins Co. TN (1880 Hawkins Co TN census) David Marshall Courtney May 1885 Hawkins Co TN. Maggie E. Sept 1887 ( on the 1900 Dade Co MO census says born in TN, probably Hawkins Co.) On the 1900 Dade Co MO census says Sarah had 5 children and all 5 living. The family must have moved to Dade Co MO. shortly after Maggie birth. Sarah Courtney bought land from her father Powell Robinson in Aug 1886. David may have died in Hawkins Co TN and that may be why the family moved to Dade Co. No head stone has been found for him. Even though there is an unmark grave next to Sarah's headstone. Sarah, David and Thomas own land north of Greenfield on road H area. I visit there this pass May, I stop to talk with a lady where I thought that Sarah might have own land. The woman I talk to remembered going to school with David's children, but none of the Courtney's live in the area now To save you some time. There is no will for Sara Ellen or Powell Robinson. Sara gave her land to Ida before she died. Ida never married. I have not found a paper trail for David Jessie, all land transaction were in Sara's name. In Feb of 1998 I corresponded with Chuck Courtney of Austin, Texas. He claims David Jessie is the son of Russell and Elizabeth (Henry) Courtney. David had one bother named James Polk, there may be more, but I have not done any more research on this line. David should be listed with his family on the 1870 Hawkins Co TN census. Chuck is from James Polk line. I'm related to Sarah, how are you related to this family Jane

The Dade county Genealogy Society is housed in the Dade County Library 209 South Main Greenfield, MO 65661 417-637-5334 To the best of my knowledge they do not have a phone of their own but they are in the room next to the Dade County Librarian who has a phone on her desk. Goldie

Bless you Goldie. I knew you could steer me in the right direction! Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Raleigh Masur Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MODADE] visiting Dade Co. The Dade county Genealogy Society is housed in the Dade County Library 209 South Main Greenfield, MO 65661 417-637-5334 To the best of my knowledge they do not have a phone of their own but they are in the room next to the Dade County Librarian who has a phone on her desk. Goldie ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== NO attachments to the entire list. Send those privately. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

http://www.rootsweb.com/~modade/modade.htm Lori, The web page above has all the info about the Dade County Genealogy Society that you have been seeking including their phone number plus a lot more valuable info about Dade County. Goldie

We were in Greenfield in May 02. All the records had been returned to the courthouse. Some were not available for research because they were still packed in the shipping cartons. The library hopes to get a micro-film copy of all that stuff eventually. The land records are all available for research. Goldie

We were in Dade County a bit over a year ago, and many of their records were out being microfilmed. I needed land records, some were back but not the index. Does anyone know if they are back in the courthouse? I am not sure about probate records ... my husband stopped at that office and the office staff checked an index and said none of our names were in the probate index. It was late in the day and we went on to the library before it closed. Wish I had had more time.. Bruce, you asked about prep work. I would say it is wise to do everything and anything you can at home before you go. Which to me means at least having read EVERY census for the time frame your people were in the county, note where they lived and look at a map and be versed on the various towns and townships, and note if they are along a county line in the event you need to cross over to another courthouse. If you aren't going for a while, you might even want to order in the probate and land indices from the LDS (if they have them) so that you will have an idea about what you might find when you get there. I am a former genealogy librarian. I found many people dropped into the county museum or library with a name and no idea when the people came to the area, where they lived in the county, if any other family members resided in the area. Every bit of information you have at the tip of your fingers will help anyone helping you while you are on a trip. Be sure and take a family group sheet showing each person you are searching as an adult and as a child, and a pedigree chart. Those were my biggest help when I was working. At times, I couldn't find anything on one individual, but my looking at family group sheets I could recognize the name of a brother or sister-in-law or a son or daughter-in-law to get us started. We stayed at Springfield when we were in that area. There is an excellent genealogy library there I understand. Good luck! g2

Thanks Goldie, I'll give it a try. Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Raleigh Masur Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 6:19 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MODADE] visiting Dade Co. The only thing I have is an email address and it is <[email protected]>. I'm sure if you send a message to them at this address they will be glad to answer all your questions. Goldie ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe send a msg. to MODADE-L(or -D)[email protected] unsubscribe in the msg. area, turn off your signature, if possible. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Goldie, Thank you for the link. However, when I've searched it in the past, and I went through it again, I couldn't find a phone # for the DCGS. I found many phone #'s, and names in the DCGS page, but they were all for different things, ie. research requests and workshop info. Neither had a phone #. I truly could be blind, but the best I could do was the chamber of commerce who I will try again tomorrow. Thanks for humoring me :o) Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Raleigh Masur Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MODADE] visiting Dade Co. http://www.rootsweb.com/~modade/modade.htm Lori, The web page above has all the info about the Dade County Genealogy Society that you have been seeking including their phone number plus a lot more valuable info about Dade County. Goldie ==== MODADE Mailing List ==== Please no virus reports, no chain letters, no advertising! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237