Mark, According to a family group sheet given me by June C. McCloud, Ukiah, CA in 1989, Abram Hunter Murray Jr born 12 Nov 1863 Visalia, Tulare, CA married 17 Aug 1887 Karoline "Karrie" A. Knox. He died 19 July 1926 in Visalia, Tulare, CA. Abram Hunter Murray b. 17 Jan 1827 Cole Co MO, died 18 Jan 1911 in Visalia, Tulare, California. Alice ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.