The Phillip Ball I mentioned was the grandson of the Phillip Ball you are talking about. The older Phillip had Edith, Rebecca, and Jackson (Does anyone know where that Andrew Jackson name came from-I can't find anything that refers to Andrew?). Jackson was the father of Phillip. As to Elizabeth Cooper Keltner, I have never heard of her but am sure she's related. Jackson's wife was Elizabeth Keltner (daughter of Elizabeth Cooper and George Keltner). She was born Feb 20, 1825 and died Sept 16, 1907. I can send you a report on my Balls if you want. Cassie