I need help on members of the Allen/English families. I have the following info: 1. Joseph Allen married Matilda English in Ray County 4 July 1833. 2. James Madison Allen married Phoebe English in Polk Co. 17 Feb 1836. 3. Joseph and James lived very close in the 1850 Cedar Co. census. Joseph is shown born in TN in 1809 and James Madison is shown as being born in TN in 1813. 4. In the 1850 Cedar Co. census Joseph's wife is shown as Beulah and James Madison's wife is Lucy Ann (Gore). JMA's family was Mary Ann b. 1837/38, Minerva Jane b. 1840. Emily F. b. 1844, Edith T. b. 1846, Ethan b. 1848 and JMA (Jr) b. 1850. 5. JMA died in 1851 and Joseph was named guardian of the two oldest girls. Lucy Ann and her new husband Rev. Murphy were named guardians of the four youngest children. I ASSUME that the two oldest girls were daughters of JMA/Phoebe and the four youngest were children of JMA/Lucy Ann because of the guardianship? The above poses several questions: 1. Were Joseph and James Madison brothers or related or ? Who were their parents? 2. Were Phoebe and Matilda sisters or related or ? Who were their parents? 3. What happened to Phoebe and Matilda? Death? Divorce? What ? If anyone has any info or suggestions I will appreciate the help. Thank you! Jim Allen