Yes this is the same Groh family......my husband's grandfather was John Groh, and believe his brother William "Will" was the grandfather of the ones you are writing about. One of that side of the family Joyce Rice is writing a book about the Groh's. Her email address is: Joy-2u@juno.com I have written her about your inquiry. John & William were sons of George Hendrich "Henry" Groh if I have it right. Lots of Groh's........most in Cass County have always called it GRAW but ones in Clay County and north of here call it GROH with long O. Good hearing from you. Pat G