This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Lorimier, Penny, Ramsey, Garrett, Rodney Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2JB.2ACE/477.1.1 Message Board Post: LOUIS LORIMIER, JR. KEY QUESTION: What was the fate of Louis Lorimier, Jr., son of the famous Major Louis Lorimier, Commandant of Cape Girardeau, Missouri? MANY POSSIBILITIES: · The Register of West Point Graduates says he was “killed by Indians”. · Another source says his death “occurs in the West while he is on a trading expedition”. · Goodspeed says that Louis Lorimier, Jr. “succeeded his father in his trade with the Indians and control over them.” Goodspeed goes on to note, “He lived on his land on Scism Creek, five miles northeast of the old Lorimier trading center on the lower edge of the growing town of Cape Girardeau.” · Louis Houck, in his detailed account of the Lorimier family, notes that Louis Lorimier, Jr. was an Indian trader residing among the Shawnees and Delawares on the Castor River in what is now Stoddard County. · The will probate of Louis Lorimier, Jr. in Cape Girardeau County was Sept 1 1832. Note that Stoddard County was officially under Cape Girardeau officials until January 2, 1835. A good description of Louis Lorimier’s fur trading activities is found in “Luttig’s Journal” covering the period of Lisa’s expedition on the upper Missouri. This document notes that Louis Lorimier, Jr. · Resigned his commission on 31 December 1809 · In 1816 he was a trader among the Shawnees and Delawares · Located on the Castor River near Bloomfield in what is now Stoddard County. · Died on his farm in 1832. In Robert Forister's History of Stoddard County , on page nine, he states,” The Missouri General Assembly passed an act in 1829, which defined the boundaries of Stoddard County to be carved out of Wayne County, which had been established in 1818. Part of Stoddard was originally attached to Cape Girardeau County. The new county was to be named Stoddard in honor of Captain Amos Stoddard, the U.S. agent who received the transfer of the Louisiana Territory...Stoddard County was officially under Cape Girardeau officials until January 2, 1835. Then the legislature acted to organize a county government." RESTATEMENT Louis LORIMIER Jr. was born Oct 1784, and died 09 Oct 1831. He married Margaret Penney 4 Oct 1816. Served in Spanish Militia. 25th Officer to be graduated from West Point - appointed July 1804. Commissioned in 2nd Infantry. Served as second-in-command at Fort Osage. Resigned commission in 1809. Indian trader. Missouri Fur Company. Later was participant on Lisa’s 1811 expedition to the Wind River area of Wyoming. In 1816, he was a trader among the Delaware and Shawnee Indians in the Bloomfield area of what is now Stoddard County. Apparently killed by Indians. Louis Lorimier Jr. and Margaret Penny had the following children: 1. Victor Steinbeck Lorimier born ca 1820, married Louisa Susan DeLashmutt 2. Clement W. Lorimier born 30 Oct 1854, died 24 Jan 1927 Chester ILL, married Lena Horn. 3. Louis Charles Lorimier married Caroline Mary Penny dau of Anthony Penny and Jane English on 14 Jul 1854. 4. Mary Lorimier, died at age 12 5. Archibald Lorimier married Caroline Mary Penny on 14 July 1849 6. Agnes Marsalette Lorimier married Robert English, Jr. on 30 March 1837 in Cape Girardeau MO. Moved to Red River Texas in 1852-54 7. Louis Lorimier III 8. Odele Lorimier 9. Louisa D. Lorimier married John B. Penny 10. William A. Lorimier married Mary Anne Penny on 14 Jul 1850. Register of the Officers and Graduates of the U. S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y. From March 16, 1802 to January 1, 1850. Compiled by...From the Official Records of the War Department, and Other Reliable Sources. J. F. Trow: New York, 1850. 8vo. Cullum's monumental work giving a full summary of the career of every West Point graduate, supplemented in many instances by a biographical sketch. An enlarged second edition was published in 1868, and the monumental, three-volume third edition appeared in 1891. Cost today is approx. $300. Can be accessed through the following “local” libraries: · Combined Arms Res Library, Ft Leavenworth, Kansas · University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas · Wichita Public Library, Wichita, Kansas · Kansas City Public Library, Kansas City, Missouri · Saint Louis Public Library, St. Louis, Missouri · Springfield Greene County Library, Springfield, Missouri · University of Missouri, Columbia, Columbia, Missouri · Washington University, St. Louis, Missouri · For a state by state list, see http://www.worldcatlibraries.org/wcpa/servlet/WLAHoldingServlet;jsessionid=15C804E396E2BF99EE0D612FD947F1D1.one?zip=68512&query=no%3A1744449&sessionid=15C804E396E2BF99EE0D612FD947F1D1.one&recno=1 This statement regarding the death of Louis Lorimier, Jr. is found in Meyer, H., M. McNerney and C. Lence (2002) Historical Background Research in Preparation for Future Archeological Investigations at the Former Location of Louis Lorimier’s Residence and Trading Establishment at Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Cultural Resources Management Report No. 1179, prepared by American Resources Group, Ltd. Of Carbondale IL, prepared for the City of Cape Girardeau. Pg. 80. Ibid. Goodspeed (1888) History of Southeast Missouri. Chicago, Goodspeed Publishing Company. Houck, Louis (1908) A History of Missouri from the Earliest Explorations and Settlements Until the Admission of the State Into the Union. Chicago, RR. Donnelley & Sons Company, vol. I, pg. 233 Jane Randol Jackson, Director, Cape Girardeau County Archive Center, email to Joseph Luther on Thu 6/24/2004 11:34 AM. Stoddard County MOGenWeb Project site = http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostodd2/ “Luttig, John C. (1964) Journal of a Fur-Trading Expedition on the Upper Missouri” New York, Argosy-Antiquarian Ltd. [Stella Drumm, ed.]. States, “Louis, Jr. died on his farm.” Pg. 52 Forister, Robert H. (1971) Forister's History of Stoddard County. Republished by Stewart Printing & Publishing Co. of Marble Hill; 3rd printing, 1996. Stoddard County MOGenWeb Project site = http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostodd2/ This is the best information I have easily at hand. More detail will emerge as readers contribute information and review of the records proceeds. Thank you for your kind consideration and continued cooperation. Joseph Luther, Ph.D. 9101 Whispering Wind Road Lincoln, Nebraska 68502 jluther@neb.rr.com