This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/2JB.2ACE/493.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank You for your response! their names where joseph winkler died after 1870, rosina helde winkler died between 1868-9 anton grothoff died after 1860 and his wife died after 1880 thanks margie