Donna, I need to clarify some mis-information on the Mt. Vernon cemetery. I know that this really doesn't belong to the Barry County info but it was posted on your site, so I want to clarify on your site for your followers. 1st, the road was platted in 1939 and filed with the Recorder of Deeds on 04 Nov. 1940. When the city, not sure of the date, decided to chip & seal the road, they tried to widen the SW corner at Pauper's field and went over a corner stone marker of a lot. This was brought to their attention and was corrected and sod was replaced at that time. 2nd, the Pauper's field and/or colored section had grown up in weeds and the trees and underbrush were thick. The city was cleaning it and when they pulled a stump at the edge of the revine, there were piles of stones that had been hidden by the undergrowth. The employees were told by a previous (and short lived) city administrator to take them to the city dump. An anonymous caller (to me) brought it to the attention of the Lawrence County Record. This was in the spring/summer of 2000. the city then retrieved the stones and cleaned them up and placed them between the buildings at the city maintenance facility, not knowing what else to do without a plan. Yes, it has been 10 years, but they are now "Going Home." Vicki and I volunteered to clean the stones and put them on the slab of concrete that had been poured to be their home. The city departments are closed on the weekend, so we took about 45 of the smaller stones to Vicki's house to clean (so we could have running water) on Saturday and then returned them to the cemetery. The city employees brought the rest of the stones to the cemetery on Monday and "piled them" next to the slab. We have found 3-4 stones with names, at least one of them has a new stone and they are not on the survey that was done by Fred Mieswinkel in 1965 and they died long before that time. So, could this be a place where old stones were put when they were replaced. (I know that the Pierce City Cemetery has a place like that). Most "appear" to be possible foot stones. But I can not say that for sure. No one knows how they got to the revine, nor do we know how long that they have been there. We do know that the dump was not the proper place for them and should never have happened, but it did, and now the city is trying to right a wrong that had been done. They are working with us to get this done. Connie Stockton Schmidt Quoting Donna Cooper <donnac58@yahoo.com>: > Vicki, Here are the state statutes for cemetery laws that I have > linked to the > main cemetery page on the Barry County web site. > > I wonder if the city isn't in violation of one or more of the Missouri > cemetery laws.  > > The state frowns on the destruction of our cemeteries. Even when cities don't > understand the importance of state statues, I am sorry to be the > first to tell > them that they are not above the law.  > > http://www.moga.mo.gov/STATUTES/C214.HTM > > > Donna Cooper > > > > >________________________________ > >From: Vicki Kizer <vkizer@gmail.com> > >To: mobarry@rootsweb.com > >Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:07 PM > >Subject: [MOBARRY] Witching a Cemetery > > > >I am looking for Jack Fly or Ted Roller or Jay Trace.  I am the coordinator > >of the Lawrence County MoGen website. I live in Mt Vernon and have one big > >mess on my hands. > >Several years ago the city administrator wanted to put a road through the > >cemetery.  Well they did at the expense of many graves.  The workers took > >the stone they plowed up and took them to a dump site for concrete to be > >ground up.  Fortunately someone saw the stones and made the city retreieve > >them from the dump. Not knowing what to do with them, they took the stones > >to the sewer department and laid them out between 2 buildings.  My friend > >Connie and I have been hauling them to my house and cleaning them up. > >The city has poured a concrete slab for the stones to be laid out on when we > >are done.  That is just one of the problems here in Mt Vernon. > > > >Another problems is a list of 15 - 20 names that is known to be buried in > >the colored section (their words not mine) that have no stones. I would > >really like to know how to locate some of these graves.  Donna Cooper from > >Barry county suggested I write to the mailing list for help. She tells me > >there is a method called witching and that the 3 people named above are > >pretty much experts at it. > > > >I would love to talk to some or all of you about it and maybe learn how to > >do it. > >What is needed to do it and how it works. > > > >Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. > > > >Looking forward to hearing from you.  Please email me at vkizer@gmail.com > > > >Thanks > >Vicki Kizer > >The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message >

I wonder where J. J. Davis' mill was located. Somehow I can't seem to get it in my mind, other than it seems it was on Roaring River. I wonder if the Davis Mill was the tub mill that it in the mill pond at Roaring River spring. I wonder if any of you know. Donna -------------------------------- Goodspeed's History of Southwest Missouri, published 1888, page 616: Flat Creek Township was established in March 1844 within the following described boundaries: From the fifth crossing of Flat Creek, near P. Trower's house to William McKenny's house, including it, thence to the Taney County line near the head of Big Creek, thence south to White River Township line, thence southwest with that township line to J. J. Davis' Mill, on Roaring River, thence northwest to Thompson's on Washburn Prairie thence west to Hubbard's so as to leave Thompsons and Hubbard in Sugar Creek Township and west to the Newton County line, thence north to the Shoal Creek Township line, thence east to Ed. Talkington's house, thence direct to Trower's at the ford of Flat Creek leaving Phillip's house in Shoal Creek, and territory east of Trower's and north of the Flat Creek town line in McDonald Township. The court house was the place of meeting, and J. O. Burton, William Kerr and Price McMurty were judges of election. Goodspeed's History of Southwest Missouri, published 1888, page 616: White River Township was detached from Sugar Creek Township in May 1841 and the following described boundaries establish: Commencing at the State line, east of John Roller's house, running east to north to Henry Pendergraft's, thence to J. J. Davis' Mill, and thence east to Taney County line. Charles Haddock's house was the designated place of the meeting, and J. J. Davis, Jacob Hickum and Charles Haddock were appointed judges. J. Hickum and Mira Jackson were elected justices of the peace.

LoVella, My fault. He was in the cemetery temp file and that was what the death certificate said. Every once in a while you run into one that is actually buried somewhere else. Kind of like the census records. I had one today that has 3 possible birth dates. Anyway, sorry. Phyllis -----Original Message----- From: LoVella Moore Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:30 PM To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill Donna, I'm not sure how Walter Eugene Vanzant ended up listed in Oak Hill. The baby, Walter Eugene VanZandt (stone is there) is buried at Corinth with the following notation on Corinth's site: "Inscription: "Son of Walter& M. J." - Research Note: His death certificate reads that Walter & Jessie (Edens) Van Zandt were his parents.It reads that he was born Jan 5th instead of the 6th as the stone reads. It also reads that he was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, which is incorrect." Since he was a baby it probably would not make any difference to those researching genealogy. I just heard so many times how my grandparents had 5 little girls and Walter Eugene was the first boy. All were devastated when he died shortly after his first birthday. Thanks again to all of you for the great work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Cooper To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:36 AM Subject: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill List Readers, our thanks goes to Phyllis Long for the excellent work she did on Oak Hill Cemetery. This group of new entries were added to Oak Hill Cemetery and the pages were all worked over to the new format. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/cemetery/oakhill/oakhill.htm CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON) GALLOWAY, Sarah Jane (HENSON) JONES, Wilma L. (WILLIAMS) VANDERPOOL, Leon VANZANT, Walter Eugene ANGEL, Doyle Dar BEASLEY, Lafayette BECK, Carl BERT, Malisa Carline (BLACK BLACK, Minnie Ophelia "Pat" BOYETTE, Clyde E. BURCH, Prissillie Annie CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON)</td> DEFFENBAUGH, Frances Louise (CREAMER) DOTSON, Rachel Jane (JOHNSON) EASLEY, Opal Iness (CASH) - Buried in Oak Hill in Carroll Co., Arkansas not in Barry Co., MO. Our thanks to Darla Marbut who checked it out for us. ELDER, James L. ENGLAND, Charles Ray FELAND, Ivy Elmerene FELAND, Mindrel M. (LANE) GILMORE, Phoebe Ann (TAYLOR) (ISABEL) GOADE, James Earl "Jim" HANSE, Rebecca E. (WILLIAMS) HEDRICK, Maggie HINES, Larry Bruce HURLEY, Sadie B. (HEFFREN) (THOMAS) JOHNSON, "Grandma" (MAY) JOHNSTON, Mary A. (CANFIELD) KEEN, Rosetta Fern (RESER) KING, Jack Harley KRAUSE, Charles Robert LATHIM, John C. LIPE, Oleta LIVINGSTON, John Henry LOFTIN, Beatrice Vida (ZILLIOX) LOFTIN, L. B. LOFTIN, Marjora Lorine MASSEY, Marjorie Lucille (BEST) MELTON, Jean (SANDERS) MEYERS, Anne MOORE, Howard L. PATRICK, Crystal Renee PERRINE, Jesse Smith PERRY, Jackson Lee REED, Jonathan RIDDLE, Dorsey Verdayne ROBBINS, Kenneth Leroy "Ken" ROBINSON, G. W. ROWLAND, Lewis Glenn SANTEE, Opal Lee (LONG) SILLS, James SINCLAIR, Martha (LEWIS) (MUSE) SISCO, Berniece Ilene (LOVELAND) (BROWN) SMALLEY, Infant Boy SNIDER, Edith Elizabeth "Betty" (SEELY) STACY, Amanda J. (BRADLEY) STEHLIK, Della Mae (JONES STUMPFF , Ella Catherine (MCCLURE) SULLIVAN, Melba Evelyn (FARWELL) SUMMERS, Ethel Gennie TOBLER, John TURNER, Gertie E. TURNER, Rose B. VANDERPOOL, Leo WADE, Samuel N. WEAVER, Sarah Viola Elizabeth (BLANEY) WEAVER, Vernon W. WILLIAMS, Mary Maxine (HOLMAN) WILSON, Gertrude A. (WEHNER) WINDES, Bess (CARTER) WINDES, Peggy Jane WINDES, Russel Rayl, Jr. WOLFENBARGER, Infant Girl WRIGHT, E. M. Thanks so much, Phyllis! Donna Cooper The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3897 - Release Date: 09/14/11

I thought that was where he was buried when I saw this, but I went ahead and added it. I'll fix it. THANKS. Donna On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:30 PM, LoVella Moore <Moore60@charter.net> wrote: > Donna, I'm not sure how Walter Eugene Vanzant ended up listed in Oak Hill.  The baby, Walter Eugene VanZandt (stone is there) is buried at Corinth with the following notation on Corinth's site: > > "Inscription: "Son of Walter& M. J." - Research Note: His death certificate reads that Walter & Jessie (Edens) Van Zandt were his parents.It reads that he was born Jan 5th instead of the 6th as the stone reads. It also reads that he was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, which is incorrect." > > Since he was a baby it probably would not make any difference to those researching genealogy.  I just heard so many times how my grandparents had 5 little girls and Walter Eugene was the first boy.  All were devastated when he died shortly after his first birthday. > > Thanks again to all of you for the great work. > >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: Donna Cooper >  To: mobarry@rootsweb.com >  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:36 AM >  Subject: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill > > >  List Readers, our thanks goes to Phyllis Long for the excellent work >  she did on Oak Hill Cemetery. This group of new entries were added to >  Oak Hill Cemetery and the pages were all worked over to the new >  format. > >  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/cemetery/oakhill/oakhill.htm > > >  CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON) >  GALLOWAY, Sarah Jane (HENSON) >  JONES, Wilma L. (WILLIAMS) >  VANDERPOOL, Leon >  VANZANT, Walter Eugene >  ANGEL, Doyle Dar >  BEASLEY, Lafayette >  BECK, Carl >  BERT, Malisa Carline (BLACK >  BLACK, Minnie Ophelia "Pat" >  BOYETTE, Clyde E. >  BURCH, Prissillie Annie >  CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON)</td> >  DEFFENBAUGH, Frances Louise (CREAMER) >  DOTSON, Rachel Jane (JOHNSON) >  EASLEY, Opal Iness (CASH) - Buried in Oak Hill in Carroll Co., >  Arkansas not in Barry Co., MO. Our thanks to Darla Marbut who checked >  it out for us. >  ELDER, James L. >  ENGLAND, Charles Ray >  FELAND, Ivy Elmerene >  FELAND, Mindrel M. (LANE) >  GILMORE, Phoebe Ann (TAYLOR) (ISABEL) >  GOADE, James Earl "Jim" >  HANSE, Rebecca E. (WILLIAMS) >  HEDRICK, Maggie >  HINES, Larry Bruce >  HURLEY, Sadie B. (HEFFREN) (THOMAS) >  JOHNSON, "Grandma" (MAY) >  JOHNSTON, Mary A. (CANFIELD) >  KEEN, Rosetta Fern (RESER) >  KING, Jack Harley >  KRAUSE, Charles Robert >  LATHIM, John C. >  LIPE, Oleta >  LIVINGSTON, John Henry >  LOFTIN, Beatrice Vida (ZILLIOX) >  LOFTIN, L. B. >  LOFTIN, Marjora Lorine >  MASSEY, Marjorie Lucille (BEST) >  MELTON, Jean (SANDERS) >  MEYERS, Anne >  MOORE, Howard L. >  PATRICK, Crystal Renee >  PERRINE, Jesse Smith >  PERRY, Jackson Lee >  REED, Jonathan >  RIDDLE, Dorsey Verdayne >  ROBBINS, Kenneth Leroy "Ken" >  ROBINSON, G. W. >  ROWLAND, Lewis Glenn >  SANTEE, Opal Lee (LONG) >  SILLS, James >  SINCLAIR, Martha (LEWIS) (MUSE) >  SISCO, Berniece Ilene (LOVELAND) (BROWN) >  SMALLEY, Infant Boy >  SNIDER, Edith Elizabeth "Betty" (SEELY) >  STACY, Amanda J. (BRADLEY) >  STEHLIK, Della Mae (JONES >  STUMPFF , Ella Catherine (MCCLURE) >  SULLIVAN, Melba Evelyn (FARWELL) >  SUMMERS, Ethel Gennie >  TOBLER, John >  TURNER, Gertie E. >  TURNER, Rose B. >  VANDERPOOL, Leo >  WADE, Samuel N. >  WEAVER, Sarah Viola Elizabeth (BLANEY) >  WEAVER, Vernon W. >  WILLIAMS, Mary Maxine (HOLMAN) >  WILSON, Gertrude A. (WEHNER) >  WINDES, Bess (CARTER) >  WINDES, Peggy Jane >  WINDES, Russel Rayl, Jr. >  WOLFENBARGER, Infant Girl >  WRIGHT, E. M. > > >  Thanks so much, Phyllis! > >  Donna Cooper >  The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Donna, I'm not sure how Walter Eugene Vanzant ended up listed in Oak Hill. The baby, Walter Eugene VanZandt (stone is there) is buried at Corinth with the following notation on Corinth's site: "Inscription: "Son of Walter& M. J." - Research Note: His death certificate reads that Walter & Jessie (Edens) Van Zandt were his parents.It reads that he was born Jan 5th instead of the 6th as the stone reads. It also reads that he was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, which is incorrect." Since he was a baby it probably would not make any difference to those researching genealogy. I just heard so many times how my grandparents had 5 little girls and Walter Eugene was the first boy. All were devastated when he died shortly after his first birthday. Thanks again to all of you for the great work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Donna Cooper To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:36 AM Subject: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill List Readers, our thanks goes to Phyllis Long for the excellent work she did on Oak Hill Cemetery. This group of new entries were added to Oak Hill Cemetery and the pages were all worked over to the new format. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/cemetery/oakhill/oakhill.htm CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON) GALLOWAY, Sarah Jane (HENSON) JONES, Wilma L. (WILLIAMS) VANDERPOOL, Leon VANZANT, Walter Eugene ANGEL, Doyle Dar BEASLEY, Lafayette BECK, Carl BERT, Malisa Carline (BLACK BLACK, Minnie Ophelia "Pat" BOYETTE, Clyde E. BURCH, Prissillie Annie CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON)</td> DEFFENBAUGH, Frances Louise (CREAMER) DOTSON, Rachel Jane (JOHNSON) EASLEY, Opal Iness (CASH) - Buried in Oak Hill in Carroll Co., Arkansas not in Barry Co., MO. Our thanks to Darla Marbut who checked it out for us. ELDER, James L. ENGLAND, Charles Ray FELAND, Ivy Elmerene FELAND, Mindrel M. (LANE) GILMORE, Phoebe Ann (TAYLOR) (ISABEL) GOADE, James Earl "Jim" HANSE, Rebecca E. (WILLIAMS) HEDRICK, Maggie HINES, Larry Bruce HURLEY, Sadie B. (HEFFREN) (THOMAS) JOHNSON, "Grandma" (MAY) JOHNSTON, Mary A. (CANFIELD) KEEN, Rosetta Fern (RESER) KING, Jack Harley KRAUSE, Charles Robert LATHIM, John C. LIPE, Oleta LIVINGSTON, John Henry LOFTIN, Beatrice Vida (ZILLIOX) LOFTIN, L. B. LOFTIN, Marjora Lorine MASSEY, Marjorie Lucille (BEST) MELTON, Jean (SANDERS) MEYERS, Anne MOORE, Howard L. PATRICK, Crystal Renee PERRINE, Jesse Smith PERRY, Jackson Lee REED, Jonathan RIDDLE, Dorsey Verdayne ROBBINS, Kenneth Leroy "Ken" ROBINSON, G. W. ROWLAND, Lewis Glenn SANTEE, Opal Lee (LONG) SILLS, James SINCLAIR, Martha (LEWIS) (MUSE) SISCO, Berniece Ilene (LOVELAND) (BROWN) SMALLEY, Infant Boy SNIDER, Edith Elizabeth "Betty" (SEELY) STACY, Amanda J. (BRADLEY) STEHLIK, Della Mae (JONES STUMPFF , Ella Catherine (MCCLURE) SULLIVAN, Melba Evelyn (FARWELL) SUMMERS, Ethel Gennie TOBLER, John TURNER, Gertie E. TURNER, Rose B. VANDERPOOL, Leo WADE, Samuel N. WEAVER, Sarah Viola Elizabeth (BLANEY) WEAVER, Vernon W. WILLIAMS, Mary Maxine (HOLMAN) WILSON, Gertrude A. (WEHNER) WINDES, Bess (CARTER) WINDES, Peggy Jane WINDES, Russel Rayl, Jr. WOLFENBARGER, Infant Girl WRIGHT, E. M. Thanks so much, Phyllis! Donna Cooper The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vicki, Here are the state statutes for cemetery laws that I have linked to the main cemetery page on the Barry County web site. I wonder if the city isn't in violation of one or more of the Missouri cemetery laws.  The state frowns on the destruction of our cemeteries. Even when cities don't understand the importance of state statues, I am sorry to be the first to tell them that they are not above the law.  http://www.moga.mo.gov/STATUTES/C214.HTM Donna Cooper >________________________________ >From: Vicki Kizer <vkizer@gmail.com> >To: mobarry@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:07 PM >Subject: [MOBARRY] Witching a Cemetery > >I am looking for Jack Fly or Ted Roller or Jay Trace.  I am the coordinator >of the Lawrence County MoGen website. I live in Mt Vernon and have one big >mess on my hands. >Several years ago the city administrator wanted to put a road through the >cemetery.  Well they did at the expense of many graves.  The workers took >the stone they plowed up and took them to a dump site for concrete to be >ground up.  Fortunately someone saw the stones and made the city retreieve >them from the dump. Not knowing what to do with them, they took the stones >to the sewer department and laid them out between 2 buildings.  My friend >Connie and I have been hauling them to my house and cleaning them up. >The city has poured a concrete slab for the stones to be laid out on when we >are done.  That is just one of the problems here in Mt Vernon. > >Another problems is a list of 15 - 20 names that is known to be buried in >the colored section (their words not mine) that have no stones. I would >really like to know how to locate some of these graves.  Donna Cooper from >Barry county suggested I write to the mailing list for help. She tells me >there is a method called witching and that the 3 people named above are >pretty much experts at it. > >I would love to talk to some or all of you about it and maybe learn how to >do it. >What is needed to do it and how it works. > >Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. > >Looking forward to hearing from you.  Please email me at vkizer@gmail.com > >Thanks >Vicki Kizer >The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Yeah, there are a lot of them that show up wrong in the death certificates. I found a dozen or so for IOOF that were listed as buried somewhere else. Donna  >________________________________ >From: Phyllis Long <Plong85203@centurytel.net> >To: mobarry@rootsweb.com >Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 6:09 PM >Subject: Re: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill > >LoVella, > >My fault.  He was in the cemetery temp file and that was what the death >certificate said.  Every once in a while you run into one that is actually >buried somewhere else.  Kind of like the census records.  I had one today >that has 3 possible birth dates.  Anyway, sorry. > >Phyllis > > >-----Original Message----- >From: LoVella Moore >Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:30 PM >To: mobarry@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill > >Donna, I'm not sure how Walter Eugene Vanzant ended up listed in Oak Hill. >The baby, Walter Eugene VanZandt (stone is there) is buried at Corinth with >the following notation on Corinth's site: > >"Inscription: "Son of Walter& M. J." - Research Note: His death certificate >reads that Walter & Jessie (Edens) Van Zandt were his parents.It reads that >he was born Jan 5th instead of the 6th as the stone reads. It also reads >that he was buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, which is incorrect." > >Since he was a baby it probably would not make any difference to those >researching genealogy.  I just heard so many times how my grandparents had 5 >little girls and Walter Eugene was the first boy.  All were devastated when >he died shortly after his first birthday. > >Thanks again to all of you for the great work. > >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: Donna Cooper >  To: mobarry@rootsweb.com >  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 10:36 AM >  Subject: [MOBARRY] Oak Hill > > >  List Readers, our thanks goes to Phyllis Long for the excellent work >  she did on Oak Hill Cemetery. This group of new entries were added to >  Oak Hill Cemetery and the pages were all worked over to the new >  format. > >  http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/cemetery/oakhill/oakhill.htm > > >  CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON) >  GALLOWAY, Sarah Jane (HENSON) >  JONES, Wilma L. (WILLIAMS) >  VANDERPOOL, Leon >  VANZANT, Walter Eugene >  ANGEL, Doyle Dar >  BEASLEY, Lafayette >  BECK, Carl >  BERT, Malisa Carline (BLACK >  BLACK, Minnie Ophelia "Pat" >  BOYETTE, Clyde E. >  BURCH, Prissillie Annie >  CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON)</td> >  DEFFENBAUGH, Frances Louise (CREAMER) >  DOTSON, Rachel Jane (JOHNSON) >  EASLEY, Opal Iness (CASH) - Buried in Oak Hill in Carroll Co., >  Arkansas not in Barry Co., MO. Our thanks to Darla Marbut who checked >  it out for us. >  ELDER, James L. >  ENGLAND, Charles Ray >  FELAND, Ivy Elmerene >  FELAND, Mindrel M. (LANE) >  GILMORE, Phoebe Ann (TAYLOR) (ISABEL) >  GOADE, James Earl "Jim" >  HANSE, Rebecca E. (WILLIAMS) >  HEDRICK, Maggie >  HINES, Larry Bruce >  HURLEY, Sadie B. (HEFFREN) (THOMAS) >  JOHNSON, "Grandma" (MAY) >  JOHNSTON, Mary A. (CANFIELD) >  KEEN, Rosetta Fern (RESER) >  KING, Jack Harley >  KRAUSE, Charles Robert >  LATHIM, John C. >  LIPE, Oleta >  LIVINGSTON, John Henry >  LOFTIN, Beatrice Vida (ZILLIOX) >  LOFTIN, L. B. >  LOFTIN, Marjora Lorine >  MASSEY, Marjorie Lucille (BEST) >  MELTON, Jean (SANDERS) >  MEYERS, Anne >  MOORE, Howard L. >  PATRICK, Crystal Renee >  PERRINE, Jesse Smith >  PERRY, Jackson Lee >  REED, Jonathan >  RIDDLE, Dorsey Verdayne >  ROBBINS, Kenneth Leroy "Ken" >  ROBINSON, G. W. >  ROWLAND, Lewis Glenn >  SANTEE, Opal Lee (LONG) >  SILLS, James >  SINCLAIR, Martha (LEWIS) (MUSE) >  SISCO, Berniece Ilene (LOVELAND) (BROWN) >  SMALLEY, Infant Boy >  SNIDER, Edith Elizabeth "Betty" (SEELY) >  STACY, Amanda J. (BRADLEY) >  STEHLIK, Della Mae (JONES >  STUMPFF , Ella Catherine (MCCLURE) >  SULLIVAN, Melba Evelyn (FARWELL) >  SUMMERS, Ethel Gennie >  TOBLER, John >  TURNER, Gertie E. >  TURNER, Rose B. >  VANDERPOOL, Leo >  WADE, Samuel N. >  WEAVER, Sarah Viola Elizabeth (BLANEY) >  WEAVER, Vernon W. >  WILLIAMS, Mary Maxine (HOLMAN) >  WILSON, Gertrude A. (WEHNER) >  WINDES, Bess (CARTER) >  WINDES, Peggy Jane >  WINDES, Russel Rayl, Jr. >  WOLFENBARGER, Infant Girl >  WRIGHT, E. 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I am looking for Jack Fly or Ted Roller or Jay Trace. I am the coordinator of the Lawrence County MoGen website. I live in Mt Vernon and have one big mess on my hands. Several years ago the city administrator wanted to put a road through the cemetery. Well they did at the expense of many graves. The workers took the stone they plowed up and took them to a dump site for concrete to be ground up. Fortunately someone saw the stones and made the city retreieve them from the dump. Not knowing what to do with them, they took the stones to the sewer department and laid them out between 2 buildings. My friend Connie and I have been hauling them to my house and cleaning them up. The city has poured a concrete slab for the stones to be laid out on when we are done. That is just one of the problems here in Mt Vernon. Another problems is a list of 15 - 20 names that is known to be buried in the colored section (their words not mine) that have no stones. I would really like to know how to locate some of these graves. Donna Cooper from Barry county suggested I write to the mailing list for help. She tells me there is a method called witching and that the 3 people named above are pretty much experts at it. I would love to talk to some or all of you about it and maybe learn how to do it. What is needed to do it and how it works. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you. Please email me at vkizer@gmail.com Thanks Vicki Kizer

List Readers, our thanks goes to Phyllis Long for the excellent work she did on Oak Hill Cemetery. This group of new entries were added to Oak Hill Cemetery and the pages were all worked over to the new format. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/cemetery/oakhill/oakhill.htm CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON) GALLOWAY, Sarah Jane (HENSON) JONES, Wilma L. (WILLIAMS) VANDERPOOL, Leon VANZANT, Walter Eugene ANGEL, Doyle Dar BEASLEY, Lafayette BECK, Carl BERT, Malisa Carline (BLACK BLACK, Minnie Ophelia "Pat" BOYETTE, Clyde E. BURCH, Prissillie Annie CRAIG, Nancy C. (HUTTON)</td> DEFFENBAUGH, Frances Louise (CREAMER) DOTSON, Rachel Jane (JOHNSON) EASLEY, Opal Iness (CASH) - Buried in Oak Hill in Carroll Co., Arkansas not in Barry Co., MO. Our thanks to Darla Marbut who checked it out for us. ELDER, James L. ENGLAND, Charles Ray FELAND, Ivy Elmerene FELAND, Mindrel M. (LANE) GILMORE, Phoebe Ann (TAYLOR) (ISABEL) GOADE, James Earl "Jim" HANSE, Rebecca E. (WILLIAMS) HEDRICK, Maggie HINES, Larry Bruce HURLEY, Sadie B. (HEFFREN) (THOMAS) JOHNSON, "Grandma" (MAY) JOHNSTON, Mary A. (CANFIELD) KEEN, Rosetta Fern (RESER) KING, Jack Harley KRAUSE, Charles Robert LATHIM, John C. LIPE, Oleta LIVINGSTON, John Henry LOFTIN, Beatrice Vida (ZILLIOX) LOFTIN, L. B. LOFTIN, Marjora Lorine MASSEY, Marjorie Lucille (BEST) MELTON, Jean (SANDERS) MEYERS, Anne MOORE, Howard L. PATRICK, Crystal Renee PERRINE, Jesse Smith PERRY, Jackson Lee REED, Jonathan RIDDLE, Dorsey Verdayne ROBBINS, Kenneth Leroy "Ken" ROBINSON, G. W. ROWLAND, Lewis Glenn SANTEE, Opal Lee (LONG) SILLS, James SINCLAIR, Martha (LEWIS) (MUSE) SISCO, Berniece Ilene (LOVELAND) (BROWN) SMALLEY, Infant Boy SNIDER, Edith Elizabeth "Betty" (SEELY) STACY, Amanda J. (BRADLEY) STEHLIK, Della Mae (JONES STUMPFF , Ella Catherine (MCCLURE) SULLIVAN, Melba Evelyn (FARWELL) SUMMERS, Ethel Gennie TOBLER, John TURNER, Gertie E. TURNER, Rose B. VANDERPOOL, Leo WADE, Samuel N. WEAVER, Sarah Viola Elizabeth (BLANEY) WEAVER, Vernon W. WILLIAMS, Mary Maxine (HOLMAN) WILSON, Gertrude A. (WEHNER) WINDES, Bess (CARTER) WINDES, Peggy Jane WINDES, Russel Rayl, Jr. WOLFENBARGER, Infant Girl WRIGHT, E. M. Thanks so much, Phyllis! Donna Cooper

Barbara, try using the search engine on the front page of the web site. I will send you message tot he list mail folks to see if any of them might have some additional information. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/barry.htm Thanks for your interest in Barry County and good luck with your research. CC: List Readers, do any of you have information that will help Barbara?   Donna Cooper >________________________________ >From: Barbara Fogg <foggba1@hotmail.com> >To: donnac58@yahoo.com >Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:00 PM >Subject: FW: research > > > > >  > > >________________________________ >From: foggba1@hotmail.com >To: thedonnacooper@yahoo.com >Subject: research >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 15:59:05 -0500 > > >Good Afternoon Donna, >I have recently started trying to compile some information on the Fogg Family and was told at the Barry County Museum that you had all sorts of information available on Barry Counthy. I am only doing the William Shepherd Fogg family from 1900 to Current (someone else is doing 1900 and back). Could you give me advice on websites, etc that I might be able to access for information.  I just completed the 14 day free trial from Ancestry.com, and have been into the Family Living site frequently, but can't find much of any information after 1930. Wonder if you could give me some advice. >Thanks, >Barbara (Stiles) Fogg >(widow of Billy Ray Fogg) >6338 Apple Shed Ave >Springdae, AR 72762 >479/361-9005 >foggba1@hotmail.com > > >

On 9/13/2011 10:46 AM, Betty Lamberson wrote: The Higgs family kept an account book and in this book They make two references to Coffins...Katy a black cook who stayed with the family after the Civil War, Katy died in 1898 and a "coffin was bought for Aunt Katy costing $14.00 and she was laid to rest in the Higgs cemetery" another reference was "A coffin was bought for Mother Sept 23, 1889 costing $20.00" Mother was Martha Harrison Higgs born in NC 1802 and died in Barry Co. in 1889. I realize it is a few years after the Civil War but I think it is interesting to know of the cost. As I recall it the Higgs family ran an account at Rose's Store in Purdy, MO. and they also purchased some clothes there to bury her in. I do not have the original account book it is owned by another family member. The account was very long and difficult to read as they made notations in every margin, as was sometimes the practice in those days to save paper space. Betty Lamberson From: "Donna Cooper" [1]<thedonnacooper@gmail.com> To: [2]<mobarry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: [MOBARRY] coffin or casket? I didn't know that a coffin and a casket are not the same thing. I suppose in Barry County that the people figured a coffin was a casket. I found this on the web - Although these two words are often used interchangeably, there is a difference between a coffin and a casket. A proper coffin is wider at the shoulder and tapers toward the feet. This was felt to be a prudent saving of costly wood as there was no need for width all the way to the bottom. This style is still to be found in Europe today. Coffins were sometimes very simple pine boxes, unlined and unadorned. Fancier models were lined, had a coffin plate of brass or silver with the deceased’s name and dates and sometimes a sentiment such as “Our Darling� or “Beloved Wife�, and had three metal handles on each side for the six pallbearers to grasp on the way to the grave. Graves were sometimes lined with fir branches, and after the coffin was lowered, bricked over to discourage graverobbers or other disturbance. It was not unusual for cabinet or furniture makers to do a brisk side trade in coffin making. That is like a grave yard and a cemetery are not really the same thing. A grave yard is the yard for the church where a cemetery has no church. I am sure in Barry County the words were interchangeable. Donna Cooper The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - ([3]thedonnacooper@gmail.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [4]MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - ([5]thedonnacooper@gmail.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [6]MOBARRY-request@rootsw eb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the bo dy of the message The difference between a coffin and a casket is about $5,000. References 1. mailto:thedonnacooper@gmail.com 2. mailto:mobarry@rootsweb.com 3. mailto:thedonnacooper@gmail.com 4. mailto:MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com 5. mailto:thedonnacooper@gmail.com 6. mailto:MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com

The Higgs family kept an account book and in this book They make two references to Coffins...Katy a black cook who stayed with the family after the Civil War, Katy died in 1898 and a "coffin was bought for Aunt Katy costing $14.00 and she was laid to rest in the Higgs cemetery" another reference was "A coffin was bought for Mother Sept 23, 1889 costing $20.00" Mother was Martha Harrison Higgs born in NC 1802 and died in Barry Co. in 1889. I realize it is a few years after the Civil War but I think it is interesting to know of the cost. As I recall it the Higgs family ran an account at Rose's Store in Purdy, MO. and they also purchased some clothes there to bury her in. I do not have the original account book it is owned by another family member. The account was very long and difficult to read as they made notations in every margin, as was sometimes the practice in those days to save paper space. Betty Lamberson From: "Donna Cooper" <thedonnacooper@gmail.com> To: <mobarry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:42 PM Subject: [MOBARRY] coffin or casket? I didn't know that a coffin and a casket are not the same thing. I suppose in Barry County that the people figured a coffin was a casket. I found this on the web - Although these two words are often used interchangeably, there is a difference between a coffin and a casket. A proper coffin is wider at the shoulder and tapers toward the feet. This was felt to be a prudent saving of costly wood as there was no need for width all the way to the bottom. This style is still to be found in Europe today. Coffins were sometimes very simple pine boxes, unlined and unadorned. Fancier models were lined, had a coffin plate of brass or silver with the deceased’s name and dates and sometimes a sentiment such as “Our Darling” or “Beloved Wife”, and had three metal handles on each side for the six pallbearers to grasp on the way to the grave. Graves were sometimes lined with fir branches, and after the coffin was lowered, bricked over to discourage graverobbers or other disturbance. It was not unusual for cabinet or furniture makers to do a brisk side trade in coffin making. That is like a grave yard and a cemetery are not really the same thing. A grave yard is the yard for the church where a cemetery has no church. I am sure in Barry County the words were interchangeable. Donna Cooper The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In regard to message one below, I do hope everyone did enjoy their Sunday BUT I do hope you did spend at least some of your time reflecting on 9/11 and what it meant then (10 years ago) and what it still means today. Linda Blairsville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: mobarry-request@rootsweb.com To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 3:00 AM Subject: MOBARRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 237 The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) Today's Topics: 1. Featured Photo (Donna Cooper) 2. Barry County Utters and Utter Massacre (Karen Utter-Jennings) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 09:19:31 -0500 From: Donna Cooper <thedonnacooper@gmail.com> Subject: [MOBARRY] Featured Photo To: mobarry@rootsweb.com, rickoshea@sbcglobal.net Message-ID: <CAKyvwmAENBmbRjovO4koeeUtL0UyOSoVAWdTbFKCuEdnKU7Qyg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List Readers, our featured photo is of a WWII serviceman, Charles E. Kackley. Our thanks to his son for the photo and history. Charles was from Purdy but died in Texas. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/oddsnends/bryfams.htm Enjoy the day and don't reflect too much on the tragedy of 9/11. Donna Cooper ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 12:42:05 -0500 From: "Karen Utter-Jennings" <kutterjennings24@joplin.com> Subject: [MOBARRY] Barry County Utters and Utter Massacre To: <mobarry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <7B65243935C94D9DA6334E5A460977F2@yourzr0db6n7rw> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Donna, Elijah Burton Utter, well-known probate judge for Barry County from about 1880s until his death in 1902, is a descendant of the Utter massacre folks through Thomas Utter, Sr. E.B. Utter brought a 40 wagon train from Indiana to Arkansas and then into Missouri around 1875. E.B. was married to Mary Jane Russell, daughter of Asa Russell of the Russells in Barry County and of which the Russell Cemetery is named after. E.B. Utter was a brother to my grt, grt-grandfather, David Jefferson Utter who came by wagon train in 1880 from Indiana and settled in McDonald County. I enjoyed hearing that your granddaughter told you the story of the massacre. I, too, include my grandchildren in my cemetery treks. They know what I am doing and why I am doing it. Someday they will be glad that I am preserving our family history. Karen Utter Jennings -----Original Message----- From: mobarry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mobarry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mobarry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:00 AM To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Subject: MOBARRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 236 The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Utter-Van Ornum wagon train massacre in Idaho in 1860 (Donna Cooper) 2. Fw: Nancy Jane Hewlett/Andrew Jackson Withers of Lawrence Co MO (Donna Cooper) 3. Fisk Caskets (Donna Cooper) 4. Re: Fisk Caskets (Stan McKay) 5. coffin or casket? (Donna Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:36:21 -0500 From: Donna Cooper <thedonnacooper@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MOBARRY] The Utter-Van Ornum wagon train massacre in Idaho in 1860 To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKyvwmBfNqFP_MHS9kzfHPuJU0NSKUP1GsU4aA-DY1LSn+LA2w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How is this Utter related to our Barry County Utters? Donna Cooper On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Karen Utter-Jennings <kutterjennings24@joplin.com> wrote: > Donna, > The story your granddaughter told you is about the Utter-Van Ornum > Massacre on the Oregon Trail in September, 1860 by the Snake River in > what is now southwestern Idaho. A party composed of 8 wagons with 44 > people was attacked by hostile Indians. Almost two months later, a > rescue party found 10 survivors clinging to life in shelters nearly > 100 miles from where the wagon train was attacked. The surviovors had resorted to canabalism to stay alive. > > > Elijah Palmer Utter and his family was one of the wagons travelling in > the wagon train. Elijah descends from my 9th great-grandfather, Thomas > Utter, Sr. ?There has been a book written about it and in Wild West > magazine, with much information found on the internet about the massacre. > > Karen Utter Jennings > > > ? ? ? > ?<CAKyvwmBAXH=bqDHHc5bukv_tGqwnnkQrQJWszdF_g_Z6Z15nTw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > List readers, yesterday on the phone my son told me that his wife and > sons were on a trip and so he asked his five year daughter where she > would like to go while they were gone. Get this - she said she wanted > to go on a bicycle ride to the cemetery near the house they just > bought. It is located in the historical district and they are going to moving there in a few days. > Here is the background story about that - Henry Ford's brother and > sister-in-law built the house and it was built in 1913. > > So - on the phone she told me about a person buried there that the > Indians had killed and about an entire family that died in the 1860's. > She said that there were a lot of old graves there dating back to the > 1860's and 1870's. She explained that some people died before Idaho > was a state and that some people died while traveling the Oregon > Trail. She explained how the stones looked and about the angles craved > on the markers of children and babies. She said that went I come to > visit her in Boise that she will take me there and show me all these things. > > It sounds to me like she had a history lesson while there. I dream and > hope that someday I can take her to a few of the Barry County > cemeteries and show her where her ancestors are buried - who knows > maybe even tell her some stories about them. > > It sounds like a genealogist was born yesterday, or - at least there > is one in the making, and so I had to share it with you. > > Donna Cooper > > >i-------------------------- ------------------------------ To contact the MOBARRY list administrator, send an email to MOBARRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MOBARRY mailing list, send an email to MOBARRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MOBARRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 237 ***************************************

Donna, Elijah Burton Utter, well-known probate judge for Barry County from about 1880s until his death in 1902, is a descendant of the Utter massacre folks through Thomas Utter, Sr. E.B. Utter brought a 40 wagon train from Indiana to Arkansas and then into Missouri around 1875. E.B. was married to Mary Jane Russell, daughter of Asa Russell of the Russells in Barry County and of which the Russell Cemetery is named after. E.B. Utter was a brother to my grt, grt-grandfather, David Jefferson Utter who came by wagon train in 1880 from Indiana and settled in McDonald County. I enjoyed hearing that your granddaughter told you the story of the massacre. I, too, include my grandchildren in my cemetery treks. They know what I am doing and why I am doing it. Someday they will be glad that I am preserving our family history. Karen Utter Jennings -----Original Message----- From: mobarry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mobarry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of mobarry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:00 AM To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Subject: MOBARRY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 236 The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Utter-Van Ornum wagon train massacre in Idaho in 1860 (Donna Cooper) 2. Fw: Nancy Jane Hewlett/Andrew Jackson Withers of Lawrence Co MO (Donna Cooper) 3. Fisk Caskets (Donna Cooper) 4. Re: Fisk Caskets (Stan McKay) 5. coffin or casket? (Donna Cooper) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 07:36:21 -0500 From: Donna Cooper <thedonnacooper@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MOBARRY] The Utter-Van Ornum wagon train massacre in Idaho in 1860 To: mobarry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAKyvwmBfNqFP_MHS9kzfHPuJU0NSKUP1GsU4aA-DY1LSn+LA2w@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How is this Utter related to our Barry County Utters? Donna Cooper On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Karen Utter-Jennings <kutterjennings24@joplin.com> wrote: > Donna, > The story your granddaughter told you is about the Utter-Van Ornum > Massacre on the Oregon Trail in September, 1860 by the Snake River in > what is now southwestern Idaho. A party composed of 8 wagons with 44 > people was attacked by hostile Indians. Almost two months later, a > rescue party found 10 survivors clinging to life in shelters nearly > 100 miles from where the wagon train was attacked. The surviovors had resorted to canabalism to stay alive. > > > Elijah Palmer Utter and his family was one of the wagons travelling in > the wagon train. Elijah descends from my 9th great-grandfather, Thomas > Utter, Sr. ?There has been a book written about it and in Wild West > magazine, with much information found on the internet about the massacre. > > Karen Utter Jennings > > > ? ? ? > ?<CAKyvwmBAXH=bqDHHc5bukv_tGqwnnkQrQJWszdF_g_Z6Z15nTw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > List readers, yesterday on the phone my son told me that his wife and > sons were on a trip and so he asked his five year daughter where she > would like to go while they were gone. Get this - she said she wanted > to go on a bicycle ride to the cemetery near the house they just > bought. It is located in the historical district and they are going to moving there in a few days. > Here is the background story about that - Henry Ford's brother and > sister-in-law built the house and it was built in 1913. > > So - on the phone she told me about a person buried there that the > Indians had killed and about an entire family that died in the 1860's. > She said that there were a lot of old graves there dating back to the > 1860's and 1870's. She explained that some people died before Idaho > was a state and that some people died while traveling the Oregon > Trail. She explained how the stones looked and about the angles craved > on the markers of children and babies. She said that went I come to > visit her in Boise that she will take me there and show me all these things. > > It sounds to me like she had a history lesson while there. I dream and > hope that someday I can take her to a few of the Barry County > cemeteries and show her where her ancestors are buried - who knows > maybe even tell her some stories about them. > > It sounds like a genealogist was born yesterday, or - at least there > is one in the making, and so I had to share it with you. > > Donna Cooper > > >i--------------------------

List Readers, our featured photo is of a WWII serviceman, Charles E. Kackley. Our thanks to his son for the photo and history. Charles was from Purdy but died in Texas. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mobarry/oddsnends/bryfams.htm Enjoy the day and don't reflect too much on the tragedy of 9/11. Donna Cooper

I didn't know that a coffin and a casket are not the same thing. I suppose in Barry County that the people figured a coffin was a casket. I found this on the web - Although these two words are often used interchangeably, there is a difference between a coffin and a casket. A proper coffin is wider at the shoulder and tapers toward the feet. This was felt to be a prudent saving of costly wood as there was no need for width all the way to the bottom. This style is still to be found in Europe today. Coffins were sometimes very simple pine boxes, unlined and unadorned. Fancier models were lined, had a coffin plate of brass or silver with the deceased’s name and dates and sometimes a sentiment such as “Our Darling” or “Beloved Wife”, and had three metal handles on each side for the six pallbearers to grasp on the way to the grave. Graves were sometimes lined with fir branches, and after the coffin was lowered, bricked over to discourage graverobbers or other disturbance. It was not unusual for cabinet or furniture makers to do a brisk side trade in coffin making. That is like a grave yard and a cemetery are not really the same thing. A grave yard is the yard for the church where a cemetery has no church. I am sure in Barry County the words were interchangeable. Donna Cooper

List Readers, the house construction is coming along. I came in to turn on the computer and to rest a few minutes and thought I'd work on Oak Hill Cemetery some. Phyllis Long and I have been redoing the pages and are updating them with the new items posted in the temporary folders. I don't have a list for you yet, but will soon. While reading about the Civil War soldiers buried there, I noticed how many had government issued stones. I wonder if any had caskets that government issue. I don't know if they had a service like that for men who died on the battle field. I would imagine probably not, but have no research to back that up as a firm statement. I found this information below on the web about Fisk Iron Caskets - and so I got to thinking about all the Civil War graves that we have in Oak Hill and around the county. I wonder if we had any soldiers there are somewhere else in the county buried in one of the Fisk Iron Mummy case type of casket. It is fascinating thought and so I wonder if it might be possible that some family story handed down would tell us more. Maybe some old document would hold facts about a burial using a Fisk Casket. I am aware that in Barry County that a lot of people were poor and that some hardly had money to buy a wooden casket, but hey, you never know and certainly can't second guess a thing like this. In my family, the bushwhackers knocked off a goodly number of my grandpas so I image some of them were buried in the night, maybe wrapped in a quilt or who knows what. There were families in the county who had money and influence and weren't poor farmers like my people so I thought I'd throw the subject out to you and see what you think. Donna Cooper ------------------------------- The first patent for a cast iron coffin was awarded to A.D. Fisk in 1848 The first two models that Fisk manufactured were in the shape of a sarcophagus, ornamented with faux drapery, and often displayed floral designs. Other dealers, such as W.M. Raymond and Company of New York and Chicago, and Crane, Breed and Company of Cincinnati, obtained licenses to produce the Fisk Metallic Burial Case. They began doing so in the early 1850s and subsequently introduced many modifications. Fortunately, copies of Fisk and Crane's 1858 catalog are held by the Cincinnati Historical Society, and Crane’s 1867 catalog is held by the Columbus Historical Society. Those catalogs and price lists suggest that Fisk's and Crane’s Patent Metallic Burial Cases preserved the body, protected it against water, against vermin, safeguarded against contagion, and facilitated relocation of the remains. The Fisk Model 3 was introduced in 1854 and an improved form of it was patented in March of 1858. Because the sarcophagus-shape and gaudy ornamentation of the Models 1 and 2 were repugnant to many, this new cast iron burial case was roughly torpedo-shaped (expanding to permit an increase in width from the head to the area at which the arms folded across the body and narrowing again to the feet), and featured straight, smooth sides. It was entirely devoid of the appearance of folded drapery and lacked ornamentation. A version that became popular was covered with an imitation rosewood finish that was applied to the surface like a decal or wallpaper. The Model 3 remained in production well into the post-Civil War period. It was available in 17 sizes, from 29.5 inches long by 9.5 inches at the widest point, to 80 inches long by 21 inches wide. Additionally, the coffins were rather pricey and could only be afforded by the wealthy. In a day and age when a pine box cost $2-$3, a Fisk coffin (depending on the style) cost anywhere from $50-$170.

I once read article about the burial practices of the folks living on the frontier. It said most were buried in just a blanket etc. Their clothes being saved to be used by the living. It mentioned a story about an old lady that was buried in a hollow log as a casket. Stan On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Donna Cooper <thedonnacooper@gmail.com> wrote: > > List Readers, the house construction is coming along. I came in to > turn on the computer and to rest a few minutes and thought I'd work on > Oak Hill Cemetery some. Phyllis Long and I have been redoing the pages > and are updating them with the new items posted in the temporary > folders. I don't have a list for you yet, but will soon. > > While reading about the Civil War soldiers buried there, I noticed how > many had government issued stones. I wonder if any had caskets that > government issue. I don't know if they had a service like that for men > who died on the battle field. I would imagine probably not, but have > no research to back that up as a firm statement. > > I found this information below on the web about Fisk Iron Caskets - > and so I got to thinking about all the Civil War graves that we have > in Oak Hill and around the county. I wonder if we had any soldiers > there are somewhere else in the county buried in one of the Fisk Iron > Mummy case type of casket. > > It is fascinating thought and so I wonder if it might be possible that > some family story handed down would tell us more. Maybe some old > document would hold facts about a burial using a Fisk Casket. I am > aware that in Barry County that a lot of people were poor and that > some hardly had money to buy a wooden casket, but hey, you never know > and certainly can't second guess a thing like this. > > In my family, the bushwhackers knocked off a goodly number of my > grandpas so I image some of them were buried in the night, maybe > wrapped in a quilt or who knows what. There were families in the > county who had money and influence and weren't poor farmers like my > people so I thought I'd throw the subject out to you and see what you > think. > >  Donna Cooper > > ------------------------------- > > > The first patent for a cast iron coffin was awarded to A.D. Fisk in > 1848 The first two models that Fisk manufactured were in the shape of > a sarcophagus, ornamented with faux drapery, and often displayed > floral designs. Other dealers, such as W.M. Raymond and Company of New > York and Chicago, and Crane, Breed and Company of Cincinnati, obtained > licenses to produce the Fisk Metallic Burial Case. They began doing so > in the early 1850s and subsequently introduced many modifications. > > Fortunately, copies of Fisk and Crane's 1858 catalog are held by the > Cincinnati Historical Society, and Crane’s 1867 catalog is held by the > Columbus Historical Society. Those catalogs and price lists suggest > that Fisk's and Crane’s Patent Metallic Burial Cases preserved the > body, protected it against water, against vermin, safeguarded against > contagion, and facilitated relocation of the remains. > > The Fisk Model 3 was introduced in 1854 and an improved form of it was > patented in March of 1858. Because the sarcophagus-shape and gaudy > ornamentation of the Models 1 and 2 were repugnant to many, this new > cast iron burial case was roughly torpedo-shaped (expanding to permit > an increase in width from the head to the area at which the arms > folded across the body and narrowing again to the feet), and featured > straight, smooth sides. It was entirely devoid of the appearance of > folded drapery and lacked ornamentation. A version that became popular > was covered with an imitation rosewood finish that was applied to the > surface like a decal or wallpaper. The Model 3 remained in production > well into the post-Civil War period. It was available in 17 sizes, > from 29.5 inches long by 9.5 inches at the widest point, to 80 inches > long by 21 inches wide. > > Additionally, the coffins were rather pricey and could only be > afforded by the wealthy. In a day and age when a pine box cost $2-$3, > a Fisk coffin (depending on the style) cost anywhere from $50-$170. > > The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

How is this Utter related to our Barry County Utters? Donna Cooper On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Karen Utter-Jennings <kutterjennings24@joplin.com> wrote: > Donna, > The story your granddaughter told you is about the Utter-Van Ornum Massacre > on the Oregon Trail in September, 1860 by the Snake River in what is now > southwestern Idaho. A party composed of 8 wagons with 44 people was attacked > by hostile Indians. Almost two months later, a rescue party found 10 > survivors clinging to life in shelters nearly 100 miles from where the wagon > train was attacked. The surviovors had resorted to canabalism to stay alive. > > > Elijah Palmer Utter and his family was one of the wagons travelling in the > wagon train. Elijah descends from my 9th great-grandfather, Thomas Utter, > Sr.  There has been a book written about it and in Wild West magazine, with > much information found on the internet about the massacre. > > Karen Utter Jennings > > >        <CAKyvwmBAXH=bqDHHc5bukv_tGqwnnkQrQJWszdF_g_Z6Z15nTw@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > List readers, yesterday on the phone my son told me that his wife and sons > were on a trip and so he asked his five year daughter where she would like > to go while they were gone. Get this - she said she wanted to go on a > bicycle ride to the cemetery near the house they just bought. It is located > in the historical district and they are going to moving there in a few days. > Here is the background story about that - Henry Ford's brother and > sister-in-law built the house and it was built in 1913. > > So - on the phone she told me about a person buried there that the Indians > had killed and about an entire family that died in the 1860's. > She said that there were a lot of old graves there dating back to the 1860's > and 1870's. She explained that some people died before Idaho was a state and > that some people died while traveling the Oregon Trail. She explained how > the stones looked and about the angles craved on the markers of children and > babies. She said that went I come to visit her in Boise that she will take > me there and show me all these things. > > It sounds to me like she had a history lesson while there. I dream and hope > that someday I can take her to a few of the Barry County cemeteries and show > her where her ancestors are buried - who knows maybe even tell her some > stories about them. > > It sounds like a genealogist was born yesterday, or - at least there is one > in the making, and so I had to share it with you. > > Donna Cooper > > > > The list-admin is Donna Cooper, address - (thedonnacooper@gmail.com) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MOBARRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Jean <gawbuck@sbcglobal.net> >To: donnac58@yahoo.com >Sent: Friday, September 9, 2011 7:58 PM >Subject: RE: Nancy Jane Hewlett/Andrew Jackson Withers of Lawrence Co MO > >Hello Donna, > >I have written you before in regard to the 12 Pioneer Families Reunion held in Monett in September along with the Wormington family surname. > >According to a 1956 Hewlett Family History written by O. T. Hewlett, Nancy Hewlett was a daughter of Samuel Moseley Hewlett Senior and 1 of his three wives: (1) Rebecca Frazier who he married  Dec. 1812 om Caldwell Co KY.;  then on Feb 25, 1817 Eleanor McDaniel in Christian Co. KY, then Davidson Co. TN in 1828 to Abigail Smith, sister of Elizabeth Smith Cagle, both daughters of Drury Smith and Sarah Jane Motley of Allen Co. Kentucky. >According to a short news article published in the book, Abigail Smith Hewlett raised 5 step children of Samuel Moseley Hewlett and had 5 of her own that included a daughter Catherine Hewlett who never married. John Motley Hewlett was named for her Mother Sarah Jane Motley of Allen Co. KY. > >To my knowledge, the first five children were by his 2d wife Eleanor McDaniel.  There is such an inconsistency of dates I seriously doubt Nancy Jane Hewlett was the daughter born to Rebecca Frazier Hewlett and Samuel M Hewlett so I suspect she is by Eleanor McDaniel.  Nancy Jane Hewlett Withers had a daughter named Maude Withers who married Desmond Brite and is buried at IOOF Cemetery Monett, MO. > >Thomas Withers is brother to Maude Withers and also son of Nancy Jane Hewlett Withers and Andrew Withers. > >Nancy Jane and Andrew Jackson Withers are buried at Mount Olivet Baptist Church Cemetery, north of Pierce City. > >Jean > > > > > >