Thanks for the info, Laura. Now I have another ? for you. Found you on a message board for Gebhardts in St. Louis. I have a Magdelena Gebhardt who married a Valentine Hoelzer, probably over in Illinois, but eventually settled in the Carondelet area of St. Louis. I have no knowledge of parents or siblings. In the 1860 Census (Columbia, Illinois) she was listed as 36 yrs. old. Could this connect to your Gottlieb/Gottfried????? Lea in KCMO Researching - Ripper, VonderHaar, Cirtautas, Gerst, Blumfelder, Mueller, Hoelzer, Gebhardt