Hi Allen: No, I don't have knowledge of any resources in StL but there do seem to be quite a few requests for this info. I seem to remember that the New Orleans list has some info of this type - but please don't hold me to it! Good hunting Gary Stoltman Mercerville, NJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Yoder" <allenyoder@w-link.net> To: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> Cc: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [StLouis-MO] Globe Democrat 20 Feb 1876 > Gary, > > Thanks for sharing this insight on the changing economy of St. Louis > in 1874. > > I have several connections to Riverboat traffic who lived in St. > Louis. Three were ship Captains. Is there a resource available? Such > as pictures of ships, ship's logs or a list of Captains for the St. > Louis area? I'm here in Seattle and don't get in town very often to > look at newspaper archives. The three Captains were, Thomas M. Fithian, > George Barnard and James Barnard. > > Thanks, > Allen L. Yoder > Seattle, Wa. > > Gary Stoltman wrote: > > >Lists: > > > >As I remember, the Eads bridge opened up a new commercial era for St. Louis in 1874. The city had relied upon the river trade and although very successful, had missed the chance to connect to the East > >by not building a bridge. There were also charges of business & political collusion in denying St. Louis a bridge, some by St. Louisans heavily invested in the river economy, that served Chicago's interests. > > > >Of course, Mississippi, Illinois & Missouri River traffic would keep up for many years afterwards but most eventually fell to the economy of the railroads. As was said by a businessman from Chicago (St. Louis' chief economic rival), "Rivers run where nature pleases, but railroads run where man plans". > > > >Over the years, there has been some interest in the river traffic on the lists and the Captains/Masters. Thought these may give an incite to the commerce of the day.The following are some announcements made on that cold February 20th, 1876: > > > >LOWER MISSISSIPPI > > > >Carroll Line Passenger Steamer "John A. Scudder" leaving for N.O Sunday, the 20th (for the Mardi Gras) A.J. Carter - Master (Captain), C.H. Dix - Clerk > > > >Merchant's Southern Packet Co.. Steamer "James Howard" - Memphis & N.O. - B.R. Pegram, Captain, J.H. Chassaing, Clerk.Foot of Walnut St. > > > >Carroll Line Steamer "Glencoe" Freight & Passage, John T. McCord, Master. Foot of Market & Chestnut > > > >Mississippi Valley Transportation Co. Steamer "Future City" and barges. For freight contracts apply at wharfboat at foot of Elm St. (no longer exists) Offers greatly reduced rates to Texas, Alabama & Georgia. George H. Rea, Pres., W.F. Haines, Freight Agent, H.C. Haarstick, V.P. > > > >Memphis & St. Louis Packet Co. Steamer "Emma C. Elliot" For St. Mary's, Ste, Genevieve, Chester, & Grand Tower (Memphis?) I. Lightner, Master, W.B. Russel, Gen'l Freight Agent > > > >Memphis " " " U.S. Mail Line For Cairo, Columbus & Memphis (?) Ziegler, Master, To Anchor Line (connects with ?) (There were two Mail ships, one the 23rd & the other 28th) > > > >UPPER MISSISSIPPI > > > >Under "The Rivers," it reported that, "the upper Mississippi is falling fast". Assume this was a major problem before the lock system. > > > >Keokuk Northern Line Packet Co. Steamer "Bayard For Hannibal, Quincy, Keokuk & Burlington - (?) Kinnear, Master, wharf at Vine & Locust > > > >MISSOURI RIVER > > > >Missouri River Packet Co. - Star Line Steamer Belle St. Louis" Cartwright, Master For Jefferson City, Rocheport, Boonville, Arrow Rock, Glasgow, Cambridge & Frankfort - Regular weekly trip > > > >Missouri " " " Steamer "Fannie Lewis" Keith, Master - same destinations as above > > > >ILLINOIS RIVER > > > >General Agent R.F. Sass - Steamer "Mary Boyd" to Peoria connecting to Toledo, Peoria & Warsaw Railroad delivering freight at Illinois Central depot at the foot of Lake St. (Chicago, I assume. I would imagine that agent Sass' route to Chicago wouldn't have lasted too many more years after the proper connections were made through Eads & East St. Louis) > >St. Louis & Illinois Packet Co. Steamer "Lady Lee" Samuel Rider, Master, (numerous stops - it stopped at Rock Island to offload freight to the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific R.R. and continued to Chicago) First class fare to Chicago $7. Apply at company's wharfboat at foot of Spruce St. > > > >Regular Napes Packet Light Draught Steamer "Fannie Keener" - Abrams, Master Grafton, Hardin, Montezuma, Florence, Griggsville, Perry, Naples & all way landings (?) > > > >Gary Stoltman > >Mercerville, NJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== StLouis-MO Mailing List ==== > >Visit the St. Louis website http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostloui > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > >

I have had some success about riverboats at the Potts Collection at the Mercantile Library now in the Thomas Jefferson Library at UMSL. I found a photo and description of the Isaac Newton, the boat on which my ancestor moved to St. Louis from Pittsburgh in 1851. Boats were short-lived; shallow-draft, they were not strong, but the snags were quite resistant. Boat names were re-used. Bob Doerr in the beautiful Missouri Ozarks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 11:40 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] Re: [StLouis-MO] Globe Democrat 20 Feb 1876 > Hi Allen: > > No, I don't have knowledge of any resources in StL but there do seem to be > quite a few requests for this info. I seem to remember that the New Orleans > list has some info of this type - but please don't hold me to it! Good > hunting > > Gary Stoltman > Mercerville, NJ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Al Yoder" <allenyoder@w-link.net> > To: "Gary Stoltman" <stopan@optonline.net> > Cc: <StLouis-MO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [StLouis-MO] Globe Democrat 20 Feb 1876 > > > > Gary, > > > > Thanks for sharing this insight on the changing economy of St. Louis > > in 1874. > > > > I have several connections to Riverboat traffic who lived in St. > > Louis. Three were ship Captains. Is there a resource available? Such > > as pictures of ships, ship's logs or a list of Captains for the St. > > Louis area? I'm here in Seattle and don't get in town very often to > > look at newspaper archives. The three Captains were, Thomas M. Fithian, > > George Barnard and James Barnard. > > > > Thanks, > > Allen L. Yoder > > Seattle, Wa. > > > > Gary Stoltman wrote: > > > > >Lists: > > > > > >As I remember, the Eads bridge opened up a new commercial era for St. > Louis in 1874. The city had relied upon the river trade and although very > successful, had missed the chance to connect to the East > > >by not building a bridge. There were also charges of business & political > collusion in denying St. Louis a bridge, some by St. Louisans heavily > invested in the river economy, that served Chicago's interests. > > > > > >Of course, Mississippi, Illinois & Missouri River traffic would keep up > for many years afterwards but most eventually fell to the economy of the > railroads. As was said by a businessman from Chicago (St. Louis' chief > economic rival), "Rivers run where nature pleases, but railroads run where > man plans". > > > > > >Over the years, there has been some interest in the river traffic on the > lists and the Captains/Masters. Thought these may give an incite to the > commerce of the day.The following are some announcements made on that cold > February 20th, 1876: > > > > > >LOWER MISSISSIPPI > > > > > >Carroll Line Passenger Steamer "John A. Scudder" leaving for N.O > Sunday, the 20th (for the Mardi Gras) A.J. Carter - > Master (Captain), C.H. Dix - Clerk > > > > > >Merchant's Southern Packet Co.. Steamer "James Howard" - Memphis & > N.O. - B.R. Pegram, Captain, J.H. Chassaing, > Clerk.Foot of Walnut St. > > > > > >Carroll Line Steamer "Glencoe" Freight & Passage, John T. McCord, > Master. Foot of Market & Chestnut > > > > > >Mississippi Valley Transportation Co. Steamer "Future City" and barges. > For freight contracts apply at wharfboat at foot of Elm > St. (no longer exists) Offers greatly reduced rates to Texas, > Alabama & Georgia. George H. Rea, Pres., W.F. Haines, Freight Agent, H.C. > Haarstick, V.P. > > > > > >Memphis & St. Louis Packet Co. Steamer "Emma C. Elliot" For St. Mary's, > Ste, Genevieve, Chester, & Grand Tower (Memphis?) I. > Lightner, Master, W.B. Russel, Gen'l Freight Agent > > > > > >Memphis " " " U.S. Mail Line For Cairo, Columbus & Memphis (?) > Ziegler, Master, To Anchor Line (connects with ?) > (There were two Mail ships, one the 23rd & the other 28th) > > > > > >UPPER MISSISSIPPI > > > > > >Under "The Rivers," it reported that, "the upper Mississippi is falling > fast". Assume this was a major problem before the lock system. > > > > > >Keokuk Northern Line Packet Co. Steamer "Bayard For Hannibal, Quincy, > Keokuk & Burlington - (?) Kinnear, Master, wharf at > Vine & Locust > > > > > >MISSOURI RIVER > > > > > >Missouri River Packet Co. - Star Line Steamer Belle St. Louis" > Cartwright, Master For Jefferson City, Rocheport, > Boonville, Arrow Rock, Glasgow, Cambridge & Frankfort - Regular weekly trip > > > > > >Missouri " " " Steamer "Fannie Lewis" Keith, Master - > same destinations as above > > > > > >ILLINOIS RIVER > > > > > >General Agent R.F. Sass - Steamer "Mary Boyd" to Peoria connecting to > Toledo, Peoria & Warsaw Railroad delivering freight > at Illinois Central depot at the foot of Lake St. (Chicago, I > assume. I would imagine that agent Sass' route to Chicago wouldn't have > lasted too many more years after the proper > connections were made through Eads & East St. Louis) > > >St. Louis & Illinois Packet Co. Steamer "Lady Lee" Samuel Rider, > Master, (numerous stops - it stopped at Rock > Island to offload freight to the Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific R.R. and > continued to Chicago) First class fare to Chicago $7. Apply at company's > wharfboat at foot of Spruce St. > > > > > >Regular Napes Packet Light Draught Steamer "Fannie Keener" - Abrams, > Master Grafton, Hardin, Montezuma, Florence, > Griggsville, Perry, Naples & all way landings (?) > > > > > >Gary Stoltman > > >Mercerville, NJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== StLouis-MO Mailing List ==== > > >Visit the St. Louis website http://www.rootsweb.com/~mostloui > > > > > >============================== > > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >