I am a foreigner in my own land and need help with pronunciation. How do you pronounce: "Gratiot Street?" A. Gra- toyt? B. Grat-chut? C. Gra-tote? I was involved in a spirited discussion with a family member and need help. Also, Map Quest shows there are three streets directly south of the tracks that go under Fourteenth Street just north of Chouteau. I only remember Papin Street running into Fourteenth St. Do all three streets now run into Fourteenth? (Gratiot, Singleton and Papin Streets.) And finally, Where was 415 south Fourteenth Street in 1885? Was there a viaduct over Fourteenth Street that year?----Jim

Are you looking for the correct one or the way we say it here? Those are different answers! Gratiot is probably not even the true spelling...I would bet there was a ^ on that a at one time. it is important to note that this is io not oi which has a distinct sound. io each letter is sounded. So Gra-ti-ot. Gra rhymes with ma and ti is like do re me, and ot is like oat. So ma tea oat change the m for a GR (growling sound) and you get Gra-tea-oat. But that is not what we do to it here. We say Gra she oat or Gra-shote, among others. Just remember we also say Gra voy in stead of Gra-vwa. I love this place! We are so colorful! Laura ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jims505@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] How Do You Pronounce > I am a foreigner in my own land and need help with pronunciation. > > How do you pronounce: "Gratiot Street?" > A. Gra- toyt? > B. Grat-chut? > C. Gra-tote? > I was involved in a spirited discussion with a family member and need help. > > Also, Map Quest shows there are three streets directly south of the tracks > that go under Fourteenth Street just north of Chouteau. I only remember Papin > Street running into Fourteenth St. Do all three streets now run into Fourteenth? > (Gratiot, Singleton and Papin Streets.) > > And finally, Where was 415 south Fourteenth Street in 1885? Was there a > viaduct over Fourteenth Street that year?----Jim > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm > >

I've always heard GRAT-ee-ot...but then I used to say grav-WAH for Gravois. But I DO know how to say Tchoupitulous, Lafayette and Burgundy in New Orleans! Had a crash course last year... Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jims505@aol.com> To: <MO-STLOUIS-METRO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: [StL-Metro] How Do You Pronounce > I am a foreigner in my own land and need help with pronunciation. > > How do you pronounce: "Gratiot Street?" > A. Gra- toyt? > B. Grat-chut? > C. Gra-tote? > I was involved in a spirited discussion with a family member and need help. > > Also, Map Quest shows there are three streets directly south of the tracks > that go under Fourteenth Street just north of Chouteau. I only remember Papin > Street running into Fourteenth St. Do all three streets now run into Fourteenth? > (Gratiot, Singleton and Papin Streets.) > > And finally, Where was 415 south Fourteenth Street in 1885? Was there a > viaduct over Fourteenth Street that year?----Jim > > > ==== MO-STLOUIS-METRO Mailing List ==== > If you are researching the Irish in St. Louis, you might want to have a look at Diane Shaw's websites: http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/Irshnstl.htm and http://members.gtw.net/~seamus/KerryPatch.htm >