Hi Laura: I just saw your 24 Apr 2002 RootsWeb note on Germans in StL archive. Surprised I missed it. Just a flyer - I've been looking for the remnants of the Johann Hermann Ritter clan. He went by Hermann John. The family lived at 2939 Manchester and later at 3007 Manchester through 1900 then disppeared. He was a butcher in St. Louis and once had two shops, one at 3221Olive. He was born 1834 in Hannover. One of his daughters was my grandmother (Minnie). Sibs were John (dec 1877), (K) or Catherine, William H., Edward, Lillie, Ida, Carrie (?) and Adele who were all born in 1861-1882 frame. I have not been able to find any of the brothers nor sisters - nor their children.